Adobe Camera Raw - JPEGS - Do Not Auto Refresh

I use Adobe Camera Raw to edit my Jpegs. From my understanding, Jpeg editing in ACR is supposed to be DESTRUCTIVE - I do not see a sidecar XMP file created when I edit JPEGS.
However, the edits I make to JPEGs in ACR do not show up on the actual JPEG file.
As an example here are the steps I take.
1) Right click on a JPEG and say "Open in Camera Raw"
2) Desaturate the image so that it is totally black and white
3) Click done - when I do this I notice that the image within the Adobe Bridge Browser is now in Black and White
4) At this point, I want to verify that the actual image has been converted to Black and White. So I close down Adobe Bridge entirely. Then I navigate to the same directory using Windows Explorer (standard system file browser).
5) My expectation is to see the same image with my ACR edits (i.e. Black and White). However, the image is still in color.
I have placed 2 screenshots online at
http://www.trick-photography.com/acr/Screenshot1.JPG
(Adobe Bridge after ACR edits)
and
http://www.trick-photography.com/acr/Screenshot2.JPG (Windows Explorer)
As you can see the image in Adobe Bridge is Black-and-White. However the actual image is not altered. I have tried to refresh thumbnails and images in both Adobe Bridge and Windows Explorer and that does not work.
In order to see my edits, I have to open the image in ACR and save it to a new folder. This takes lots of time, and I do not think this is the right way because JPEG editing is supposed to be DESTRUCTIVE in ACR.

Guess I have a different understanding. When you make an edit in ACR and click Done the original image is not modified, but the edits are retained. There is a round symbol placed in upper right corner that says the image has been modified, but the thumbnail displays the original image. If you open the image the modified version will display in ACR, and you can choose to open as is or modify further. So far this edit has been non-destructive.
However, when you make an edit in ACR and click Save Image the original image is modified and saved with new name and location of your choice. The thumbnail displays the modified image. This has been a destructive edit. I think this is the step you are looking for.

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Hey,
So, lately I've been shooting in RAW and have finally found some time to process some of the images. I am a Mac user, so I have the option of using either Aperture, or Adobe Camera Raw (Lightroom). Can someone please explain to me the main difference between the two programs, in terms of their ability to retouch/edit RAW images. I've had experience with Adobe Camera Raw (through photoshop cs6) and believe it is an excellent piece of software, does Aperture provide the same kind and quality of tools. The reason I am asking is because while I need a program to help process the RAW files, I also want to organize them in a library where I can see my edits. I am currently using iPhoto and I like the way it works.
So to summarize the question, is aperture as good at processing/editing RAW images as Adobe Camera Raw? If not, why, what are the differences?
Thanks!

So to summarize the question, is aperture as good at processing/editing RAW images as Adobe Camera Raw? If not, why, what are the differences?
Much of the difference between the two has to do with the way brushes work (for local adjustments) and some features.
Brushes:
In ACR, the adjustment brush works as a multi-parameter brush where you brush in strokes and can adjust quite a few parameters after adding the brush stroke (e.g., exposure, highlights, shadows, sharpening, noise reduction, clarity, saturation, etc.). ACR adds a 'pin' for each new adjustment which can then be selected to change the parameters of that adjustment.
In Aperture, you use what is called a 'brick' which is a panel dedicated to the type of adjustment (e.g., enhance, highlights & shadows, edge sharpen, noise reduction, etc.). In this case, you use each 'brick' (or panel) to change the brushed in parameters for that specific type of adjustment.
In summary; you can add or change more parameters in ACR with one brushed adjustment than you can in Aperture, but both can add or change the same parameters (with the exception of exposure, which Aperture doesn't currently do as a local brushable adjustment).
ACR has arguably better sharpening and noise reduction control. ACR also has a gradient tool and lens distortion correction which Aperture currently lacks.
I do find that brush speed is about the same with a lot of adjustments added, with Aperture getting better marks overall.
All that said, I would be surprised if Aperture didn't receive some of the tools it currently lacks in the future.
As far as RAW decoding goes, Aperture relies on the OS X camera RAW compatibility feature to render RAW files, so you will already have a sense of what that default render is like with iPhoto and Preview. Aperture can alter those parameters either as a RAW fine tuning preset that you create or with the adjustment bricks.
FWIW, I have been using Adobe ACR at work (on Windows) since it's inception; and while I like the results with some images with regards to highlights, shadows, sharpening and noise, I can get there faster with Aperture. I also don't agree with Adobe's new rental policy for the CC line, so won't be investing in their products anymore. I quite like the 'App Store' paradigm.
Hope that helps.

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I have found no discussion of this subject on Adobe's forums, so I am asking here. I find that Adobe Camera Raw 7.x's "auto" mode frequently produces overexposed images with lots of blowouts necessitating much more manual tweaking than was required with the older 6.x series of plug-ins. Has anyone else noticed this behavior?

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I need to get the Adobe Camera Raw to convert my Raw shots to jpeg. Do I buy Photoshop CS6 or Photoshop CC? I am not a professional photographer and am only using photoshop sparingly.

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The program would stop, but the files would remain on your computer. Before stopping, you could do a batch convert to tiff or png, with a strong recommendation for tiff. Png only support transparency whereas tiff supports layers, live type, transparency, etc.
Keep in mind the app you open the tiff file in may not support all of those features, but it could if they tried.
The psd files I would backup to a cd or dvd before removing for space, but if you have the room, keep them as some apps do support psd files.
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Hi,
I am learning Photoshop and Camera RAW. I am using CS2 and ACR 3.7 on Windows XP.
I have noticed that the JPEG file generated by CAMERA RAW has the color slightly off (towards the bluish direction).
This is what I did, I started Adobe Bridge, I opened up the Nikon RAW file (from D200) with Camera RAW and then generated the JPEG file without using any AUTO or custom setting (took the As SHOT setting). After the JPEG file is generated, I compared the JPEG file, with the file on Camera RAW window, the color of the pictures don't match up. So what you see on Camera RAW window is not what you get in JPEG. The color shown in the Camera RAW window is warmer than the JPEG file. I used the Widnows default jpeg viewer and the Arcsoft Editor to look at the JPEG file, and confirmed the color of the JPEG file is off from the original RAW filed viewed Camera RAW widnow.
However, when I opened that same JPEG file (generated by Camera Raw) in Adobe Photoshop, and the original RAW file (without any modification) in Photoshop, the color of the JPEG file matches up the color of the original RAW file only in Photogroup. I am confused now.
Why the color of the JPEG file (generated by Camera RAW) looks OK on photoshop, but it is off in other viewers (default Windows viewer or ArcSoft Editor). However, when I used PictureProject (supplied by Nikon) to generate the JPEG file from that same original RAW file (without any modification), and I looked at the JPEG file (generated by PictureProject) on Photoshop, Arcsoft Editor, and default Windows viewer, the color matches up to the original RAW file on all viewers. So the problem only happens to the JPEG file generated by Camera Raw. Any idea?
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Adobe camera raw will not respond in bridge cs6?

adobe camera raw does not respond in adobe bridge? I am trying to open Jpegs, which i have previously been able to do so by right clicking and opening in adobe camera raw. Now it is unresponsive.

dj1461986
You are definitely in the wrong forum for Bridge CS6 and Adobe Camera Raw. You have posted in the Adobe Premiere Elements Forum (video editing focus).
You probably want to be posting in the Photoshop Forum.
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or
b. There is a preferences route to check out.
Not being a Photoshop user, this is a quick suggestion where you might start looking. This is apparently a known issue.
The Photoshop users should be able to give you all the details and options you have for workarounds for now.
ATR
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With students new to digital photography and who are capturing in jpeg out of fear for the difficulties they assume go with RAW, I have found it useful to have them open some of their jpeg files in Adobe Camera RAW. They become familiar with the tools there and are willing to switch to RAW capture.
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Mary Lou

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An analogous situation using decimal numbers might be: if the JPG starts with 3 decimal digits of precision then the numbers could range from 000 to 999 with 000 being black to 999 being white, but if you doubled the number of digits to 6 then the color numbers would range from 000.000 to 999.000. These are exactly the same values as we started with, but if we choose to manipulate the colors, which is the point of using ACR in the first place, then we don’t lose information.

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I have been using Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) with my Canon EOS 30D, an 8 MP camera, for a while now. I would make non-destructive changes to the raw file (.CR2) in ACR where the changes would be stored in an adjoining .xmp file. Jpegs of the unedited and edited camera raw files would be created so I have a before and after versions of the images that can be viewed anywhere.
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Probably not going to happen.
I agree, Canon's color is better than Adobe's in general - I just didn't know how good the Camera Standard profile might be for your particular camera. I had hoped maybe they'd made it a very close match.
Some time ago I got a very nice genius-level Camera Raw forum member named Vit to make me a custom profile that exactly matches the Canon color for my 40D, even to the point of emulating the way Canon fits the entire gamut of the captured image into the sRGB color space, so I'm more than happy.
Others might tell you that you're silly for wanting the color to match, but I understand completely your position - if you do get that kind of feedback just ignore it and push on.
Once you've set up a default to use Camera Standard, you may well be able to tweak the dozens of color controls to bring the Adobe default into line with the Canon color. I did that once before getting my special 40D profile, comparing embedded raw file JPEGs with the Camera Raw preview display with a variety of images - it was tedious but effective.
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Gene,
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Right click > Edit Original
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Hi Ekombokom,
ekombokom wrote:
Hello! I too am having this same problem. I used Camera Raw (both in Bridge and Photoshop to make sure) to adjust and correct the Cinema DNG files I shot with my BMPCC; however, the video sequence in Premiere does not reflect any of the changes made. Why would Adobe not support Camera Raw settings in Premiere?
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ekombokom wrote:
I thought the point of using Adobe was that all their products worked together seamlessly? I really hope they fix this.
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R_Kelly wrote:
Hi,
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