Adobe DNG profile editor bug w/ GH2 files where aspect ratio is not 4:3

Hi,
posting here as Adobe DNG subforum is essentially dead
Panasonic GH2, select aspect ratio 3:2, get .RW2 raw file, convert it to .DNG using Adobe DNG converter (6.4.0.121 beta), try to open w/ Adobe DNG profile editor (1.0.0.39 beta 2) -> error message "DNG Profile Editor could not open the selected image. Note that the selected image must be a valid DNG color image".
XRite software has no issues to process the same .DNG file (converted from the original .RW2 w/ 3:2 aspect ratio).

Eric - just make it easier for you to reproduce the bug - here is the original .RW2 file (certainly ignore the quality of colorchecker shot in terms of how the target is lit, etc - it was not to make a profile actually - it was to illustrate the bug in question) = http://www.box.net/shared/f419prmuo2 ... and I am uploading the converted .DNG file too just in case = http://www.box.net/shared/gy5o9zzi57

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  • Adobe DNG Profile Editor

    Has there been any update to this beyond that in 2008 found on Adobe Labs? (I want to try using it to calibrate ACR for my camera with a shot of a MacBeth Color Chart.)
    To be more precise about this, I currently use ACR Calibrator to calibrate ACR for my Canon 1Ds II. I now see there is beta 3 of Adobe DNG Profile Editor but note that it utilises a small subset of the GMB Digital Colorchecker SG target chart.
    ACR Calibrator seems to produce quite different results from Adobe DNG Profile Editor.  I have followed the steps below when using the latter.
    Download DNG Profile Editor and drag to Applications
    Launch Photoshop and open the raw file of your macbeth target.
    In camera raw, place all settings to zero, curve to linear and turn off any sharpening etc. Click Save Image, choose dng as the file format and save it.
    Launch DNG Profile Editor.
    File / Open DNG File and choose the dng file you saved previously.
    Select the chart tab in DNG Profile Editor.
    Move the colored circles to the center of the matching colored corner square in your raw file
    Click Create Color Table.
    Choose File/Export <Camera> profile...  Give it a name and save.
    Exit DNG Profile Editor.
    Re-launch photoshop and open a raw file.  In Camera Raw, on the calibration tab, you should now see the profile you just saved.

    ssprengel wrote:
    I don't know of any other references or CC Passport numbers other than what Google can come up with.  Babelcolor has some standard-deviation of spectrum numbers for a sampling of 20 charts done in 2006 and also some worst-color vs average-color visual comparisons to get an idea of how variable charts or at least their measurements can be.  Somewhere it says the me4asurements were done of the standard and also the minichart, mixed together, I assume.  I don't know if there is a list of the raw data or not.
    To understand the source of the variation you really need to see multiple measurements with the same instrument, with different instruments, and of different charts from different manufacturing runs and different ages and measured in different temperatures and humidities, otherwise it's not easy to say whether the variations we're seeing between the CC standard and the CC passport in the article are within the normal variations or not or if they represent a significant difference not explained by normal variations.
    Yes, I know the Babelcolor data and I have already included them in the study.
    Obviously I do not have the opportunity to have the information to get an overview of the real things, but by analyzing various measurements I saw that Myers had to be the closest to official data of the CC Passport and instead is the more distant. Hence my doubts about the measurement.
    Thanks anyway.
    Marco

  • Where should DNG profile editor install the .dcp file?

    Just made my first attempt to create a custom camera profile using the X-Rite color checker passport and the DNG Profile Editor.
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    Custom-created .DCP profile files go into the following location under your Windows Users folder:
    C:\Users\YourUserName\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles
    The AppData folder is a hidden-system folder so you may need to turn on the viewing of those type of folders in your Explorer folder view options or just type \AppData into the folder address area and hit Enter once you get to your username folder.

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    I'm profiling a Canon 5D3 with both the Adobe DNG Profile Editor and the Xrite ColorChecker software. It's been about 3 years since I last profiled a camera, so I'm re-doing the learning curve. My question now is how and why the DNG Profile editor depends on a "base profile?" Specifically, why does the DNG PE Chart Wizard generate different results depending on what base profile is used.
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    I discovered the difference by using an apparently bad workflow. I shot my colorchecker chart, converted the CR2 to DNG and brought it into Photoshop via ACR to inspect. That stored "Adobe Standard" as the base profile in the DNG.
    Then I fed this DNG to the DNG PE Chart Wizard and generated a profile. I opened the image in ACR and applied "My Profile", which became the base profile in the DNG file. I thought I did something wrong, so I ran the same DNG through the Chart Wizard again and generated "My Second Profile." That version looked very strange, so I did it again and made "My Third Profile."
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    Being curious, I did the same exercise using the Xrite ColorChecker software. That software generates the same result, regardless of what base profile is stored in the DNG files. I'm not sure I like the results, but at least they are consistent.

    DNG Profile Editor lets you define color edits (in the first tab) using a set of color control points.  These control points in turn define a color lookup table used to perform the color correction when processing a (raw) image.
    When you use a Base Profile, the resulting color table in the final profile is a combination of the base profile's color table, plus the color table defined by any edits that you've added in the first tab (using the Chart Wizard counts as adding edits to that first tab).
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  • Documentation for DNG Profile Editor??

    Hi. I am looking for the tutorial and documentation on Adobe DNG Profile Editor (v 1.0.0.39 beta 2). I assume this is the latest release, but if not, I would appreciate a link to the latest. I tried downloading documentation and tutorial from the following link, but the site never comes up.
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    In the past I did some research in these fields and I want to share the fruit of that work (but English language is a problem).
    > There can be Variations Among cameras.
    I have analyzed two sets of cameras, two Canon 40D and two 400D illuminated by Solux Daylight 4700K bulbs.
    The first test was done with a 400mm. Unfortunately, very little movement of the lens at f/5.6 (a mistake) has darkened the upper rows of ColorChecker and I had to correct them with the brush of ACR Exposure (the worst intervention reaches 0.17). After this intervention the cameras differ by an average error of delta E 2000 0.30 and a maximum of 0.75.
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    - the cameras were put on the market in 2006, and were produced with the technology of almost five years ago
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    All these factors could lead really to differences in behavior. The results were an average error of 0.65 and a maximum of 1.26.
    Link: http://www.gialandra.it/blog/files/343e438a6021337b5fdffb2cfbe0f08b-0.html
    And probably if these tests had been made in laboratory the differences were even smaller.
    I concluded that the differences in the behavior are all to prove.
    On the Internet I found nothing of scientific.
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    Finally to have a more homogeneous illumination and all other problems I use only the mini format of the ColorChecker.
    > There Are Also Among Variations lenses (eg, spectral transmission of Canon 50 f/1.4 is Not the same as Canon 180 f/3.5 macro, But They Are close).
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    Link: http://www.photoactivity.com/Pagine/Articoli/052ResaCromaticaObiettivi/Resa_cromatica_degl i_obiettivi_ENG.asp
    For my studies and my experience at this moment I think the best way to find the faithfull to the scene with a safe semi-universal profile is using the calibration sliders in D50 condition. From the linked experience below this gives faithfull from tungsten light (2600K) to above 10000K, of course this last only in daylight.
    Link: http://www.photoactivity.com/Pagine/Articoli/023%20Calibratori%20al%20sole/Calibratori%20a l%20sole_en.asp
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    Ciao
    Marco

  • DNG profile editor : where can we find a link for downloading an updated version (for Mac OS 10.9)

    The links I found here (http://www.adobe.com/downloads/updates.html) are both for Windows, althought one is named "MacIntosh".
    The beta version seems to have problems on Mac OS 10.9 (it is impossible to quit the application).

    Adobe - DNG Profile Editor : For Macintosh : DNG Profile Editor 1.0.4

  • What kind of DNG file for DNG profile editor ?

    Can somebody help me??? I have a problem to use DNG profile:
    I am user of Fujifilm S5Pro, which has RAF file (=raw). The ACR (start from version 3...) and DNG understand my RAF files very well. But DNG profile editor dose not want to open it, even if Adobe DNG Converter 4.5 converts it to DNG file. My workflow is:
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    May be I'm doing in a wrong way? Please advise me.

    I tried to do the same on other PC with Vista (fully English). Also update DNG converter up to 4.6. And no success... :-(.
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    I could not understand... where is a bug.
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    Do I really do wrong things? I'm completely lost
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  • DNG Profile Editor: Can't create profile from JPG file

    Guys, could you tell me why DNG Profile Editor fails to create color table using 4 colored circles ? It says "Unable to check white balance using gray patches. Please use the four color circles to identify the four corner patches of the chart and try again" even though I places four circles properly (it works with DNG files shot with my Nikon D700).
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    eswrite wrote:
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    8. Back again to ACR, loaded D200 cc image with recipe modified profile from step 6 and white balanced and exposure adjusted to match D300. Brought into PS and compared to D300 image. Now the Red,Green,Blue patches matched well with the D300 image, only slight differences. Actually just selecting those three patches brought all 18 cc patches into a fairly close match.
    In conclusion it appears to me that a recipe has enough information, with the color table entries and the embedded base profile, to "move" the same colors in another profile to achieve a good match. And it's apparently moving "both ends" (2850K and 6500K separate sections) of the profile appropriately, although I'm less sure of this. Quite an interesting and useful development by Adobe.
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