Adobe flash player 10.2.154.12 issue or something...

Hello everybody.
I have updated my flash player today from 10.1... to 10.2.154.12 ( the latest one ), and I'm experiencing a strange thing. When I go to YouTube to watch any video I am seeing two clips, one on top of the other separated by a green bar at the middle of the screen. As much as I can tell the top one is the normal clip and the bottom one is or attempting to be for 3D or something like that. I don't know if that is for 3D or it's just a bug, but if it is I would like to know how can I turn it off so that I might see just one normal Youtube screen in stead of two. Because the clips are one over the other they are very wide (strech) and it's a bit annoying. If someone knows anything about this please help me.
P.S. My PC specs:
CPU: Intel E8400
RAM: 2GB
OS: Windows XP SP2
Video: Nvidia 9600GT.
Yesterday I was able to watch YouTube videos normaly so it's not PC related problems just in case somebody asks.
Thank you in advance . Alex.
[Small Update] Other video websites do not show this problem so I'm thinking it's has something to do with this update not being fully compatible with YouTube. Further testing needed.

Me too!
On both IE8 and Firefox. Win 7 32 bit on IBM T42 - 1GB ram.
Old laptop I know but the 10.1.x.x Flash Players worked just fine. Problem started with 10.2.152.26 flash player.
Now BBC TV live and iPlayer work just fine, however YouTube does not - audio but no video. Just a black rectangle where the video should be.
Right click to get the menu and "settings" is greyed out. However select the pop-out option and the video plays. Right click on the pop-out and "settings" is available. So deselect "enable hardware acceleration", close the pop-out and refresh the window (F5) and now YouTube videos play. Switch hardware acceleration back on and now they don't.
This video works fine with hardware acceleration enabled. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/features/video/h264/
These also work. http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/stagevideo.html
Something broken in 10.2, I think.

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0000 [I] 00000010 "\\glic.com\Guardian\Appsai\Source\Adobe-Flash-Player-11-5\R1\uninstall_flash_player.exe" -force   -force
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0000 [I] 00000010 "\\glic.com\Guardian\Appsai\Source\Adobe-Flash-Player-11-5\R1\uninstall_flash_player.exe" -force   -force -silent
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POSTED FEB 2 2015
hello fellow mac users - I have an adobe flash player question...
I am sure everyone is aware of the adobe flash player vulnerability that came out late January 2015.   Initially when I saw that, I promptly removed flash player on my machine and installed the new version 16.0.0.287.    A day later when I started my machine, I saw a Flash Player message indicating I have to download again. I googled and found out Adobe actually only partially fixed the vulnerability.
Exasperated, I decided to say bye-bye to Adobe Flash for good by uninstalling Flash Player.   After uninstalling, I went to Youtube and played a video - it shows that its using HTML5 codec to play the video - so far, so good.
The issue I am having is that since I uninstalled the Flash Player, whenever I start up my machine I am getting this "Adobe Flash Player Uninstaller" pop up window.
The first time I saw it, I clicked on UNINSTALL button and it will say "Adobe Flash Player was removed".   But every day when I start up my machine, it still shows this pop up message and its driving me bonkers.
is there a way to remove or prevent this pop-up from showing up?   BTW I checked my machine's preferences and Adobe Flash Player is no longer listed.
BTW I have a iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2011), Processor 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5
Thanks for your input in advance.

RESOLVED - Feb 3 2015
I believe I have found the issue and resolution on that pesky Adobe Flash Player Uninstaller - thought i'd share in case this would help someone.
Since that f***ing Adobe Flash Player Uninstaller pops up each time I start up the machine, I thought I should check the "startup" items in my Mac machine. So I did my research and I did the following steps:
1. Click on Mac > System Preferences
2. Select Users and Groups
3. User and Groups window pops up - On the right pane you'll see "Password" and "Login Items" items - click on "Login Items".
On the Login items - I did see 'Adobe Flash Player Installer' - apparently this triggers the Uninstaller instead of Installer - but whatever - I have banned Flash Player from my Mac so I highlight this item on the Login Items list, and click on the minus sign button - it removed the Adobe Flash Player Installer from the Login Items list.    Then I restarted my machine - and voila - NO MORE PESKY Adobe Flash Player uninstaller pop-ups!!!! Hurrah!!!
Again this might help specifically for those who want to BAN Adobe Flash Player from their machines and are seeing the Adobe Flash Player Installer / Uninstaller every time they start up their machine. Apparently this is not a widespread problem but it still does happen. Good luck y'all and say goodbye to Adobe Flash Player (sorry Adobe, but I do still love your core products like Lightroom and Photoshop). Adobe should not have bought Macromedia (who originally developed Flash and Shockwave) years back but who would have known Flash would be such a headache (no thanks to cybercriminals)...

I tried playing a you tube video, but received a message prompt to download the latest version of Adobe Flash Player. The link to Adobe stated that there are issues with MAC OS X 10.7 and Flash Player 10.3. The new version did not download. Any Suggestion

I tried playing a you tube video, but received a message prompt to download the latest version of Adobe Flash Player. The link to Adobe stated that there are issues with MAC OS X 10.7 and Flash Player 10.3. The new version did not download. Any Suggestion

Hi Seattle
From Adobe site only!
flashplayer11_b1_install_mac_071311.dmg
Works fine.
Cheers Tomi

Adobe flash player 10.2.154.12 issue or something...

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