ADSL or ADSL2 on a long line?

i have BT business boadband (office unlimited ADSL2 Next Gen (up to 20 Mb)). Historically i have had poor broadband hence swapping to business to try and improve matters. i have now ditched the home hub and gone to a 7800N which has made a big difference. although over Christmas the flashing lights played havoc with the broadband and now i have a high SNR margin and interleaving..
However, my main question is will it be worth me pushing for ADSL2 given my line (stats from DSL stats below). currently my router will only connect with G.DMT so i am assuming i can only get ADSL? Will ADSL2 or indeed 2+ improve speed/stability on a long line with attenuation around 62 dB?
thanks everyone
DSLAM/MSAN type:                       IFTN:0x71c8 / v0x71c8
Modem/router firmware:            AnnexA version - A2pB025f.d22k
DSL mode:                          G
Status:                 Showtime
Uptime:                               3 days 15 hours 12 min 13 sec
Resyncs:                              1 (since 16 Jan 2015 09:24:44)
                                                                Downstream      Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):    62.0                        31.5
Signal attenuation (dB):                Not monitored                 
Connection speed (kbps):            2944                       448
SNR margin (dB):              9.7                          9.0
Power (dBm):                    17.8                        12.6
Interleave depth:            16                           4
INP:                       0.65                        1.88
RSCorr/RS (%):                  0.0225                   0.0051
RSUnCorr/RS (%):            0.0093                   0.0000
ES/hour:                              0                              0
adsl info --stats
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 8000
Max:    Upstream rate = 688 Kbps, Downstream rate = 3264 Kbps
Channel:        INTR, Upstream rate = 448 Kbps, Downstream rate = 2944 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   G.DMT
TPS-TC:                 ATM Mode
Trellis:                ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        9.6             9.0
Attn(dB):        62.0            31.5
Pwr(dBm):        17.8            12.6
                        G.dmt framing
K:              93(0)           15
R:              8               16
S:              2               8
D:              16              4
                        Counters
SF:             18470539                18470803
SFErr:          4432            697
RS:             627998338               157001825
RSCorr:         141398          8020
RSUnCorr:       58116           0
HEC:            3611            586
OCD:            78              8
LCD:            0               2
Total Cells:    2179945133              0
Data Cells:     84244409                0
Drop Cells:     37
Bit Errors:     0               0
ES:             2322            0
SES:            49              0
UAS:            98              98
AS:             314005
INP:            0.65            1.88
PER:            1.75            1.75
delay:          8.00            8.00
OR:             32.00           32.00
Bitswap:        28562           750
Total time = 1 days 19 hours 20 min 38 sec
FEC:            213384          0
CRC:            5918            0
ES:             2322            0
SES:            49              0
UAS:            98              98
LOS:            1               0
LOF:            9               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 5 min 38 sec
FEC:            1740            0
CRC:            36              0
ES:             9               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            29484           0
CRC:            440             0
ES:             75              0
SES:            1               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 19 hours 20 min 38 sec
FEC:            57861           0
CRC:            1256            0
ES:             426             0
SES:            9               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            16164           0
CRC:            422             0
ES:             228             0
SES:            2               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Since Link time = 3 days 15 hours 13 min 23 sec
FEC:            141398          8020
CRC:            4432            697
ES:             1803            0
SES:            28              0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Solved!
Go to Solution.

Welcome to the BT Residential Customers forum
As you are a business user, please could you may be better posting on the  BT Business forum at http://business.forums.bt.com/
PS   With that amount of line loss, there would be no advantage in moving to ADSL2 or ADSL2+.
Line attenuation (dB):    62.0  
Estimation of your maximum rate adaptive adsl speed
Downstream
Attenuation
dB
Approx
Line Length
km
dslMAX (20CN)
kbps
IP Profile
kbps
BT 21CN WBC
& adsl2+
kbps
IP Profile
kbps
adsl2+ (LLU)
kbps
Throughput
kbps
There are some useful help pages here, for BT Broadband customers only, on my personal website.
BT Broadband customers - help with broadband, WiFi, networking, e-mail and phones.

Similar Messages

  • ADSL2+ Live, How long for service upgrade?

    I live in Thaxted (EATHA Exchange) and having just checked my exchange, via samknows, I am surprised to see that a 21CN WBC date is set for 31/07/2012. I thought that we were going to be ignored completely by BT (beyond ADSL Max), so am very very happy to see that the upgrade is taking place.
    I have done some further digging and BTW info says WBC 21CN live date between 01/07/2012 and 31/07/2012. Also having checked on BTW's ADSL availablity checker I get the following:
    Your exchange is ADSL enabled, and our initial test on your line indicates that your line should be able to have an ADSL broadband service that provides a fixed line speed up to 2Mbps.
    Our test also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL Max broadband line speed of 8Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 7Mbps and 8Mbps.
    Our test also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL2+ broadband line speed of 17Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 10Mbps and 19.5Mbps. Our test also indicates that your line could support an estimated ADSL 2+ Annex-M broadband upstream line speed of 1.5Mbps and downstream line speed of 17Mbps; typically the downstream speed would range between 10Mbps and 19.5Mbps.
    BT Retail says available NOW!
    So it seems that the exchange is ready and I would guess that new orders are automatically being put onto WBC 21CN.
    I've not had any comm's from BT regarding an upgrade.
    Question is, how long will it be before I get upgraded?
    Thanks,
    We5tyBoy
    Solved!
    Go to Solution.

    True enough. Though I shall report back on the 16th, until then everything is crossed!
    I'm hoping to get a good speed on ADSL2+, my stats suggest so I believe:
    ADSL Line Status
    Connection information
    Line state:
    Connected
    Connection time:
    0 day, 19:41:45
    Downstream:
    8,128 Kbps
    Upstream:
    448 Kbps
    ADSL settings
    VPI/VCI:
    0/38
    Type:
    PPPoA
    Modulation:
    G.992.1 Annex A
    Latency type:
    Fast
    Noise margin (Down/Up):
    10.1 dB / 25.0 dB
    Line attenuation (Down/Up):
    16.5 dB / 10.0 dB
    Output power (Down/Up):
    19.9 dBm / 11.8 dBm
    FEC Events (Down/Up):
    0 / 0
    CRC Events (Down/Up):
    7 / 0
    Loss of Framing (Local/Remote):
    0 / 0
    Loss of Signal (Local/Remote):
    0 / 0
    Loss of Power (Local/Remote):
    0 / 0
    Loss of Link (Remote):
    0
    HEC Errors (Down/Up):
    9 / 0
    Error Seconds (Local/Remote):
    0 / 0
    Out of interest, what upload do you think could I expect?

  • Would setting router to ADSL or ADSL2 help instabi...

    Hi, I get random resyncs with ADSL2+ no matter what noise margin is put on my line, I dont want to be put onto a banded profile again so I want to try and get the disconnections stopped, Previously when I was on LLU I didnt have problems and the line test is completely silent.
    If I set my netgear router to connect on ADSL or ADSL2 only instead of ADSL2+ could it help, and which one gives the best stability, ADSL or ADSL2.
    Thanks

    The reason why a LLu connection was less trouble is because most if not all LLu providers don;t set the MSR
    like BT do .... the maximum stable rate. Nor do they use Bras IP profiling. They use a much less profound version of dynamic line management than BT, and thus lines can rack errors up without undue loading of impulse noise protection, resulting in deep banded profiling .... until impulse is either fixed .... or goes away.
    You can try negotiating a bare Adsl2 connection if your router firmware allows it ... although to be honest, the lead will be taken by your associated msan connection.
    You'd have to try and see if it worked for you .... but if you're on an average line up to about 45db loop loss
    any poor bitloading should be catered for with 21CN's algo ... trouble is it takes a while to get established sometimes, and the way to help it along is cure whatever you can in the home, using quality cables and filtered faceplates, with good segregation for data and power.
    Get rid of phone extensions if unused, plug into a master socket etc ....
    Try and see if the msan lets your router negotiate the connection ... nowt to lose.
    As a rule the higher the frequencies employed ... the more difficult it is to modulate, G.dMT, Adsl2 and Adsl2+
    in that order ....

  • How to handle long lines in a JAD file?

    Hi all,
    setting MIDlet permissions in a JAD file easily expands the length of one line so that they need to get wrapped into 2 or more lines. AFAIK JADs actually are manifest files and the manifest file spec says that a line continuation is marked by a line beginning with a single space. I use Ant to create the JAD file and Ant's manifest task does it exactly like this. Example:
    MIDlet-Permissions: javax.microedition.io.Connector.bluetooth.client,j
    avax.microedition.io.Connector.socketThis works on my Sony Ericsson phone and in the MicroEmu emulator, but the WTK (2.5.2) emulator complains about that by throwing an exception:
    com.sun.midp.midletsuite.InvalidJadException: Reason = 28
         at com.sun.midp.midletsuite.JadProperties.partialLoad(+259)
         at com.sun.midp.midletsuite.JadProperties.load(+8)
         at com.sun.midp.dev.DevMIDletSuiteImpl.create(+252)
         at com.sun.midp.dev.DevMIDletSuiteImpl.create(+74)
         at com.sun.midp.main.Main.runLocalClass(+20)
         at com.sun.midp.main.Main.main(+80)So who is wrong here?
    Thanks for some information!
    Best regards,
    Brian

    MIDlet-Permissions: javax.microedition.io.Connector.bluetooth.client,j
    avax.microedition.io.Connector.socketif memory serves, inability to handle stuff like above is a known WTK bug.
    Try workarounds like "glueing" permissions into single (long) line or splitting them on commas

  • How can I change the view in Show Page Source from one long line to a more readable view

    When using Develop --> Show Page Source in Safari 6.0.1 I get a view of the html that is just one long line. I can scroll along to the right but it is not very easy to use.
    It seems to me that when I first used this feature I had a formatted view, that is the text was broken into separate lines and was easier to read.
    But I think I clicked on something and it change to one line. I can't find a way to change it back.
    Is anyone familiar with this? Or can point me to more information about Show Page Source formatting?
    Thanks.

    Oh, I see the problem.
    The one long line view only occurs when I'm viewing a page locally on my own computer. (When I choose Show Page Source for any page on the internet the display is formatted normally.)
    So obviously if I want to see the code in my own files I can just go open them in the text editor. I used to use View Page Source (previous version of Safari) as a shortcut for a quick peek. If there is a solution to this formatting thing for local files I'd love to know it, otherwise I'll just put it on the you-can't-do-that-anymore list.

  • How to print a text file with long lines?

    I am trying to print a text file which contains many long lines. I find that the long lines are truncated on the printouts. How do I wrap up these long lines? Could you give me some examples?
    Thank you very much!

    Here's an example. The "\n" makes anything after it go to the next line. I hope this helps. Look at the Private void getTable() section.
    import java.awt.*;
    import java.awt.event.*;
    import java.sql.*;
    public class LabNine extends Frame implements ActionListener, WindowListener {
         private TextField txtInfo;
         private List lstInfo;
         private Button btnAddInfo;
         private BorderLayout borderlayout;
         private Connection databaseConnection;
         Statement statement;
         ResultSet resultSet;
    public LabNine( ) {
         super("Lab Nine");
         // addWindowListener to close application
         addWindowListener(this);
         // create layout
         borderlayout = new BorderLayout();
         setLayout(borderlayout);
         // create text field so the file input that is selected will be seen in here
         txtInfo = new TextField();
         txtInfo.setEnabled(false);
         Color color = new Color(255, 136, 183);
         txtInfo.setBackground(color);
         add(txtInfo, BorderLayout.NORTH);
         // create list so the file input can be populated in here
         lstInfo = new List();
         add(lstInfo, BorderLayout.CENTER);
         // create button to add selected input file in the text field
         btnAddInfo = new Button("Add Info");
         btnAddInfo.setBackground(Color.cyan);
         btnAddInfo.setFont(new Font("TimesRoman", Font.BOLD, 16));
         btnAddInfo.addActionListener( this );          
         add(btnAddInfo, BorderLayout.SOUTH);
         // set frame attributes
         setSize(450, 250);
         setResizable( false );
         show();
         // get the table/ get the query
         loadConnection();
         getTable();
    public void actionPerformed(java.awt.event.ActionEvent e) {
         // if add button is pushed then it will check to see if an item was selected.
         // if not, then an error message will be displayed else the selected item will be in the text box
         if ( e.getSource() == btnAddInfo ) {
              if ( lstInfo.getSelectedIndex() == -1 ) {
                   System.out.print( "You have not selected an item" );
              else {
                   txtInfo.setText(( lstInfo.getSelectedItem() ));
    private void getTable() {
         try {
              String query = "SELECT FIRST, LAST, EMAIL FROM Names";
              statement = databaseConnection.createStatement();
              resultSet = statement.executeQuery( query );
              while ( resultSet.next() ) {
                   lstInfo.add( resultSet.getString( "FIRST" ) + " " + resultSet.getString( "LAST") + " " +
                        resultSet.getString( "EMAIL" ) + "\n" );
              statement.close();     
         catch ( Exception e ) {
              System.err.println( e );
    private void loadConnection() {
         // define the data source for the driver
         String sourceURL = "jdbc:odbc:people";
         String username = "";
         String password = "";
         // load the driver
         try {
              // load the drive class
              Class.forName( "sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver" );
              // create a connection through the drivermanager
              databaseConnection = DriverManager.getConnection( sourceURL , username, password );     
         catch( ClassNotFoundException cnfe ) {
              System.err.println( cnfe );
         catch( SQLException sqle ) {
              System.err.println( sqle );
    public static void main(java.lang.String[] args) {
         LabNine aLabNine = new LabNine( );
    public void windowActivated(java.awt.event.WindowEvent e) {
    public void windowClosed(java.awt.event.WindowEvent e) {
         // closes the application
         System.exit( 0 );
    public void windowClosing(java.awt.event.WindowEvent e) {
         // closes the application
         System.exit( 0 );

  • When using the "Fill & Sign PDF" feature, is there a way to stretch to size the text box, for a specific area on the page...instead of it going on in one straight long line...?

    When using the "Fill & Sign PDF" feature, is there a way to stretch to size the text box on a specific area of the page...instead of the text box going on in one straight long line....? I'm not seeing there's an option or ability to do so, just wanting to confirm.

    Improving the handling of multiple line text fields is in our plans, but for now, you will have to add manual carriage returns (Enter).
    Thanks,
    Josh

  • Where is the long line "--" on the key board?

    where is the long line "--" on the key board? I can only find a short one and thus have to press is twice.

    Here's a somewhat more helpful answer:
    option-shift-hyphen
    This will give you what's called an em-dash. If you also want an en-dash (commonly used to separate groups of numerals, as in phone numbers in printed materials):
    option-hyphen
    Here's more about typing special characters and symbols:
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh1064.html
    Good luck!

  • Long lines corupt script output

    When SQL run as Script (F5) produces too long lines any Script Output gets blank. Text is there in tab Script Output and I can copy and past it but I can't see it.
    What setting could affect this?
    --This SQL is working fine
    select rpad('Test1',4000), rpad(' ',996) from dual;
    --and this sql output is white on white:
    select rpad('Test2',4000), rpad(' ',997) from dual;
    Adam Dziurda
    PS. Affected version Oracle SQL Developer Version 4.0.0.12.27 (aka 4.0 EA1)

    Yes, I see that. I've logged bug 17218146 for it.
    Thanks
    Barry

  • I have successfully exported subtitles (XML files) from FC version 7 to FC version 6, by choosing Apple XML Interchange Format Version 4. Now the exported subtitles suddenly read in one long line, at the top, not registering any "Enter" keystrokes.

    I have successfully exported subtitles (XML files) from FC version 7 to FC version 6, by choosing Apple XML Interchange Format Version 4. Now the exported subtitles suddenly read in one long line, at the top, not registering any "Enter" keystrokes. The same happens even if I re-import the XML file into Final Cut Version 7 (from where I exported the subtitles). Any tips on how to fix this?

    You might see if you can bring the xml file into Title Exchange Pro
    http://www.spherico.com/filmtools/TitleExchange/
    It's a great program and the author was very responsive when I had a problem.
    If it reads correctly, you can probably save it back out. 
    If you want to send it to me, I'll see if it opens.
    [email protected]

  • How to break down long lines of code

    Is there a way to break a long line of code so that it will fit on an A4 sheet?

    You can break on most dots between variable name and method name, between spaces in operators, after a comma that separates parameter names, etc. Just about the only thing you can't break is a long literal String--though you could type it on multiple lines by breaking it into pieces and putting a + in between the pieces.

  • How can long lines of code be cut / separated into multiple short

    In Java, How can long lines of code be cut / separated into multiple short lines?
    Example
    System.out.printf( "%d\t%d\t%s\t%s\t%s\t%s\t\t%s\n", arrayIndex ,  part[ arrayIndex ], name[arrayIndex], units[arrayIndex], price[arrayIndex], units[arrayIndex] * price[arrayIndex], total[ arrayIndex ]   );Thanks

    System.out.printf( "%d\t%d\t%s\t%s\t%s\t%s\t\t%s\n",
    arrayIndex , 
    part[ arrayIndex ],
    name[arrayIndex],
    units[arrayIndex],
    price[arrayIndex],
    units[arrayIndex] * price[arrayIndex],
    total[ arrayIndex ]   );P.S. It looks to me like you have an array for each attribute of something. This is not OO and you should consider creating a class holding the information about each 'Part' or whatever it is. You will then just need a collection of Parts.

  • Sending/receiving email with long lines of text.

    Using mail with yahoo plus. Composed emails have long lines of text. Recipients complain that they have to scroll left to right to view them. Not so on a PC with Outlook, anyone know of a solution to this. Thanks

    Hi Chris,
    Thanks for the response. No, there were no rules set, but your query gave me ideas. I'd never been in the rules section before, but I played with it for a while with some trial and error and finally made a rule that set all the emails to show with black text, and duplicated it for all the mailboxes, and voila! there were all the emails listed in black text.
    While I'm sure there are more effective ways of writing a rule, my rule worked fine. I had it say that if "any" of the following conditions are met: "From" "Contains" "@", perform the following actions: "Set color" "of text" "Other [black]" and applied it to the mailbox.
    Thanks for the spark of the idea.
    Gail

  • OS X Mail long lines of text don't re-flow

    Using Mail in OS 10.4.11 when I receive emails from some clients they include disclaimers etc. which do not re-flow to the width of the email window. Consequently when I print the email the whole of the long line is fitted across the page making the text of the message too small to read. Even changing the page orientation doesn't make the text readable. Anyone have any suggestions?

    To add more; I first noticed this 2 days ago and reported it to Apple. When I did notice it, I went to preferences and changed how many lines of the content preview shows, then I closed the message view column and expanded the preview column as wide as I could get it. On one of the messages, it kept continuing after it ran out of space in the preview, for a running total of at least 100 words. Even then, in the actual message viewer, it only showed 1 complete message of about 25 words.

  • Post 21CN WBC Experiences - Long Line?

    Hi
    My rural exchange is due for 21CN WBC upgrade this June
    I was wondering if anyone has had a good experience following this type of upgrade -  specifically on a long line
    The 'experts' claim there will be no positive impact for low speed long line sufferers but interested to hear from anyone with 'real life' experience of this
    My stats:
    Sync around 1.3meg
    D/Load around 900k
    U/Load around 280k
    snr down 6db
    Line Att 74db
    Router/modem BT 2Wire 2700
    Faceplate fitted

    big difference from 55 to 74 though  a 1.3mb connection with 74 attenuation is good
    If you like a post, or want to say thanks for a helpful answer, please click on the Ratings star on the left-hand side of the post.
    If someone answers your question correctly please let other members know by clicking on ’Mark as Accepted Solution’.

Maybe you are looking for

  • Upload data

    hi what is cutover data, and how it is posted in sap r/3, also how to post  open purchase order and invoice and good receipt

  • Activation problem with lenovo miix 2

    Hi I get license expire error on my miix 2 tablet What is the problem? Should you please help me?

  • Deployment of Office 365 Click to Run

    Having an issue getting the O365 to install and wondering if I could get some help.    I am new to SCCM and have managed to get a few other apps/packages pushed out without issue.  I have followed a couple of online resources to get this one going bu

  • K5400 Cyan no longer working - tube looks empty - how to fix?

    Last night my cyan stopped working in the middle of a page.  I did not get any warnings at all but suddenly it was out of ink. I replaced the ink cartridge with a brand new HP88XL (purchased direct from HP) and now Cyan does not print at all.  I have

  • How can I restore sliced image from web page?

    http://www.jimmyrea.com This website was created several years back with Fireworks and Dreamweaver.  The client wants to have some changes done, but wants to keep it pretty much as it is and they don't have much of a budget to work with.  Is there an