Advice on Navigation Car Kits

Hi All,
i'd like to hear from you that have seen or used both the Magellan & TomTom Car Kits Please.
Are they much the same or is one far better unit than the other?
I guess all i'd like it to do is be able to charge the battery, have a good speaker & good GPS signal.
I can't really think of any other feature i may need? never having a GPS before
The iTunes App that'll be used i have yet to buy but i'm guessing it'll be the MetroView Australia
it seems good value at $25:00, the TomTom is at $80: the Navigon is at $90: ATM.
So the MVA is a no brainer if u live in the land of Oz that is.

I've owned the Magellan kit and played with the TomTom kit and the TomTom kit is definitely superior. My biggest complaint with the Magellan was the built in speaker didn't shut off automatically when you had the cradle connected to an aux jack. You had to turn the sound down on the speaker with a very tiny dial on the side of the unit. The TomTom is a much more intelligent unit in this regard.
I also didn't like the fact that on the Magellan the button to answer the speakerphone was on the backside of the unit and was difficult to locate when you were driving which pretty much negated the advantages of "hands free" for your car. A plus for the Magellan though is that if you have a case on your phone it is adjustable to fit. It's pretty clever the way they handle that. The TomTom kit is designed for a bare phone. The hands free on the TomTom kit works via bluetooth and is definitely better quality.
You don't mention if you have a 3 series or 4 series phone. If you have an iPhone 4 you'll have a problem with the TomTom but I believe they just released a (free?) adaptor for it that will work with the new phone. Other folks on the web had also come up with their own fixes for that as well. The TomTom comes with a windshield mount but I believe ProClip is selling a custom TomTom kit with a standard 4 hole mount plate in case you already have a mounting system in your vehicle. www.proclipusa.com for info.
Personally, I don't think either one is a necessary solution. The GPS in my iPhone 3GS was good enough on its own and the GPS in my iPhone4 is excellent. I'm using a Blueant S4 hands free unit on the visor which is working perfectly and is 100% hands free with total voice command operation with a 3GS or 4. I went with an adjustable Cradle from ProClip for my iPhone 4 that has a passthrough connector and I've attached a cable to the cradle that includes a USB charger plugged into a lighter socket adaptor and a stereo connector plugged into the aux jack on my car stereo. Incoming calls automatically shut down the sound to the radio and route the call out to the bluetooth. The Blueant S4 supports A2DP audio over bluetooth so you can hear your turn-by-turn GPS commands via the Blueant or over the car stereo via Aux input in my case.
Hope that helps you out!
James
P.S. The iphone dock cable that gives you usb and audio out via mini-din jack can be found on ebay.

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