Aequivalent to 'ink limit' (InDesign) or 'total area coverage' (Acrobat)?

Hello. I need to sort out parts of my image that contain an ink total higher than a certain percentage (like 300, 330 or so, depending on printer, paper ). I know I can use threshold to isolate the darkest parts, but that isn't as precise as the tools provided by InDesign and Acrobat. I'm quite confident Photoshop does offer such an option, but I can't seem to find it. I'm sure there's many who know. Apologies for the newbie question, and thanks.

Maybe what you are looking for is this...in the Info palette click on the little Eyedropper icons to get a dropdown menu that lets you set the eyedropper to Total Ink, which you can use to get readings off the image.
To set the limits,Edit>Color Settings. In the CMYK dropdown all the way at the top choose Custom CMYK. There you will get all the settings.
But I think (and someone else can correct me) if you have a usual Color Profile specified, this is not necessary.
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I reopened my placed TIFF documents in Photoshop, set my darkest blacks to 300 TAC, and resaved them without any profile. When I relink these files to my Indesign document (files have no embedded profile), I get different ink limits than what shows up in Photoshop.
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