After effects cs5 - frame rate mismatch wmv, flv, h264

Hi all,
I'm trying to render my compositions at 20 fps as wmv. Its important that they stay 20fps and that they are an exact length of time.
Since upgrading to cs5 I've been unable to do so as After Effects can no longer render wmv files at 20fps. By default it renders wmv at 25 fps so my animations are now 20% too quick.
According to adobe this is an issue with cs5 and wmv, flv and h264. It mentions a workaround online which involves creating a new output module
please see link.
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/852/cpsid_85260.html
When I follow this advice and create a new output module the problem is worse, they now render at 30fps so are now 50% too quick.
For rendering wmv I am getting round this by rendering as Quicktime though I have yet to find a codec that offers file size and quality benefits of wmv.
But my animations also have to be rendered as h264 for viewing on a mobile device. After Effects can no longer render h264 at 20fps and I cant find a way round it.
Anybody got any ideas?
Also if h264, wmv and flv are unconstrained formats why would Adobe constrain them to certain frame rates in CS5. Seems like a basic feature thats been around for years has been disabled.
I tried tech support but they just sent me a link explaining what a frame rate is.
thanks
s

Thanks for reply Mylenium, much appreciated. I dont think I do mis understand completely however.
I understand some formats are constrained such as mpeg. And some wmv formats maybe constrained in some ways, but to quote Adobe online help
"In After Effects CS5, there is a known issue that causes WMV and FLV output frame rates to be constrained unnecessarily."
I have also found the same issue with H264 format.
the online help goes on to say
"By creating an output module template and applying this template to a render item, you bypass this bug."
Unfortunately in my experience creating an output module template does not bypass the bug, but it makes it worse.
The same projects worked fine and rendered correctly in CS3 as flv, h264 and wmv. The render issues occur in CS5. Like you say Adobe has the 64-bit environment to contend with.
When you say manually over ride the frame rates in the encoder panel I guess you  are referring to Adobe Media Encoder which is an option and maybe would give better quality results too.
thanks
s

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    3   libSystem.B.dylib             0x000000010801675e _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 252
    4   libSystem.B.dylib             0x0000000108016088 _pthread_wqthread + 353
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    Thread 2:
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    1   libSystem.B.dylib             0x00000001080162bc _pthread_wqthread + 917
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    Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
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      rdi: 0x0000000113078408  rsi: 0x00000000fffffffc  rbp: 0x00007fff5fbfb4b0  rsp: 0x00007fff5fbfb4b0
       r8: 0x00007fff5fbfb90f   r9: 0x00007fff5fbfb8f4  r10: 0x00007fff5fbfb978  r11: 0x00007fff5fbfb8f8
      r12: 0x0000000000000000  r13: 0x00007fff5fbfb970  r14: 0x0000000113078400  r15: 0x000000011295a220
      rip: 0x000000011087e6e3  rfl: 0x0000000000010202  cr2: 0x00007fff5fc8f000
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