After "Reconnecting" to my backups, TM still does a full backup

I upgraded from 10.6.8 to 10.8 (yes I skiped 10.7) last week, and would very much like to keep my Time Machine backup history. I followed the instructions on Pondini's website http://pondini.org/TM/B6.html, but TM still performed a full backup of all my data. I then followed http://pondini.org/TM/A4.html to reset Time Machine, still TM performed full backup. After TM performed the full backup, I ran BackupLoupe and saw that TM did recorgnize the histroy. I tested it by deleting a small unimportant file via TM's interface, and TM did delete it from all backups.
What happened with TM? How do I avoid this unnecessary full backup? The following are the messages from the Console while TM performed the backup. Thanks in advance.
12-9-5 12:29:49.758 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Starting manual backup
12-9-5 12:29:49.773 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Backing up to: /Volumes/TM4T ST2T-Hi2T/Backups.backupdb
12-9-5 12:29:51.250 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Inheritance scan required for /Volumes/Multimedia, associated with previous UUID: 09077F6F-5D2D-30E5-AE7B-2DF8F26907FD
12-9-5 12:29:51.259 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Inheritance scan required for /, associated with previous UUID: 1DB217CD-86B7-3A22-918B-B1804C505BC4
12-9-5 12:29:51.283 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Inherited root volume Main, UUID: CBFD27EC-0674-36E0-B775-1D0126D15780
12-9-5 12:29:51.318 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: Multimedia
12-9-5 12:29:51.337 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: Main
12-9-5 12:29:51.351 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Deep event scan at path:/Volumes/Multimedia reason:must scan subdirs|new event db|
12-9-5 12:29:51.351 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: First backup after disk inheritance for /Volumes/Multimedia - complete scan required
12-9-5 12:31:43.994 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Finished scan
12-9-5 12:33:55.752 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Deep event scan at path:/ reason:must scan subdirs|new event db|
12-9-5 12:33:55.768 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: First backup after disk inheritance for / - complete scan required
12-9-5 12:34:52.132 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Error (256): fetching properties: Error Domain=NSCocoaErrorDomain Code=256 "The file “keyedobjects.nib” couldn’t be opened." UserInfo=0x7ff18cdc8a50 {NSURL=file://localhost/Volumes/TM4T%20ST2T-Hi2T/Backups.backupdb/Mac%20Pro/201 2-08-08-194751/Main/Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/Resources/TemplateDataInspe ctor.nib/keyedobjects.nib, NSFilePath=/Volumes/TM4T ST2T-Hi2T/Backups.backupdb/Mac Pro/2012-08-08-194751/Main/Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/Resources/TemplateD ataInspector.nib/keyedobjects.nib, NSUnderlyingError=0x7ff18cdbe9a0 "The operation couldn’t be completed. Not a directory"}
12-9-5 12:37:43.351 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Finished scan
12-9-5 12:38:46.188 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Error (256): fetching properties: Error Domain=NSCocoaErrorDomain Code=256 "The file “keyedobjects.nib” couldn’t be opened." UserInfo=0x7ff1911f2c20 {NSURL=file://localhost/Volumes/TM4T%20ST2T-Hi2T/Backups.backupdb/Mac%20Pro/201 2-08-08-194751/Main/Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/Resources/TemplateDataInspe ctor.nib/keyedobjects.nib, NSFilePath=/Volumes/TM4T ST2T-Hi2T/Backups.backupdb/Mac Pro/2012-08-08-194751/Main/Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/Resources/TemplateD ataInspector.nib/keyedobjects.nib, NSUnderlyingError=0x7ff1911e8ed0 "The operation couldn’t be completed. Not a directory"}
12-9-5 12:42:08.466 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Found 1087307 files (1.08 TB) needing backup
12-9-5 12:42:08.923 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: 1.29 TB required (including padding), 2.36 TB available
12-9-5 12:42:46.691 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Copied 9650 files (624.7 MB) from volume Multimedia.
12-9-5 12:42:48.093 AM com.apple.backupd[11586]: Backup canceled.

Hi Steve,
http://pondini.org/TM/12.html
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3687285?start=0&tstart=0
http://pondini.org/TM/Troubleshooting.html

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http://pondini.org/TM/12.html
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