Again: Cool`n Quiet and K8m Neo-V

Working on a new computer for my wife. She wants her new computer to be quiet and powerful (no gaming), so i bought MSI K8M Neo-V and athlon 64 2800+. I have two problems now:
1 I had the same problem as described in an earlier post, it would not post after enabeling cool`n quiet. A bios upgrade fixed that. But: The fan speed does not go down ! Win Xp tells me the cpu is running at 990mhz, but the fan is still going at over 3000rpm. This must be wrong?
2 I bought 256 Mb ram (TwinMos PC3200). But the motherboard tells me its only 196 Mb Win Xp says its 192 Mb of ram... Is this a motherboard problem or faulty ram? Didn`t help putting the ram in the DIMM2-socket. Any suggestions?
Thanks, great forum

Thanks bosskiller, great link to the cool`n quiet FAQ. I understand now, that its up to the mobo-producer to give us a way to adjust fan speed. As far as I have found out, MSI have not given us this important possibility yet. The newest bios (ver. 3.2) does not adjust fan speed automatically, and there is no way to do it manually.
The newest version of CoreCenter from MSI does not support this mobo yet (I think)(it does not controll the fan, but it gives you the rpm). New versions of the bios and/or CoreCenter can fix this, I hope. Otherwise we must buy technical regulators like Zalman Fan Mate 1.
About Ram: I think bosskiller is right about the shared memory, the VGA part occupies 64 mb ram. CPU-Z reports the ram-module as 256 mb. The os only gets 192 mb.
I bought only 256 mb ram, TwinMos PC 3200, single banks I think. I was planning on using my old windows millennium, and save some money on both os and ram.
The ram is running 400 mhz, no problem there.
I use Zalman ST-300BLP power supply. 300w, 15A for the 12V. I dont think the power supply gives me any problems. I have used it with my P4-system before, no problems there either.
(I use thermaltake fanless power supply with the P4 now, and its great )
The athlon64 system looks very quick, if MSI solves the fan speed issue, this system is going to be great!

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That's a load of bull. The CPU will automatically ramp up to full speed as soon as you start putting a load on it. I have specifically tested this with benchmarks and there is no difference in the results with CnQ enabled and with CnQ disabled.
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Quote from: dannol48 on 25-May-05, 20:57:16
Cool'n'Quiet and fan control are separate functions. I've got the board (see specs) and CnQ is working fine. My core frequency and core voltage do throttle.
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Danno
Edit: Using fans with thermistors to vary RPM can accomplish that function independent of the board.
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Originally posted by cool'n'quiet
No, it doesn't (or at least it shouldn't).
There are 3 "switches" that need to be "on" for cnq to work
1) bios must turn it on
2) processor driver must be installed
3) [windows xp] "minimal power management" must be selected in control panel.
Turn any of these off (3 being the easiest to do at runtime of course) and it should turn off cnq. Use cpu-z to verify; corecenter has been known to dance around in its ghz readings (especially in its FSB/HTT, which seems to jump for no particular reason from time to time, then goes back down to 200 a moment later)
Anyway, use cpu-z as a more reliable measurement...
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http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/am2sempron-1.htm
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