AGEPA Update for 890FXA-GD65 (Socket AM3+ Steam incompatibility)

Just installed Valve's Steam onto my new desktop for the first time and get the blue screen of death upon loading Portal 2.
After a bit of Googling I've discovered that this is a known issue for Bulldozer chips with certain newer titles on Steam, there appear to be a few bios updates from major venders to tackle this issue as advised in this page on the AMD site - http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/STEAMGamesonAMDFXplatforms.aspx
Unfortunately the link for the MSI board is for the newer socket 990FXA-GD80 and there doesn't appear to be an update for the 890FXA-GD65 (I'm currently running the most recent BIOS for this board). Just wondered if anybody else was aware of this / has seen a fix?
I have filed a query direct with MSI, but have yet to receive a response, don't really want to dump this board & upgrade as this is the only issue I've had with an otherwise superb product.
AMD FX-4100 @ 4.6ghz
MSI 890FXA-GD65
MSI AMD R6850
6GB Crucial Ballistix RAM @ 1600mhz
Any help or advice appreciated.

Quote from: Bas on 15-January-12, 01:48:39
You are talking to yourself, as I see nobody else reporting this in the forum.
I can only conclude that your "issue" is within your Windows.
Ergo format your harddisk and install Windows from scratch.
No need to be patronising Bas. The "issue" is not with my windows.
This is an issue with all AM3+ with Bulldozer chips installed, boards from all vendors, MSI released a fix for the 990FXA-GD80, but both 890's and the 990FXA-GD65 haven't had the fix released, I'm talking to myself because it is quite a niche problem, not that many people using FX chips that want to play the 4 or 5 games affected by this problem. There have been other forum posts relating to this issue regarding other boards.
However to prove a point, this problem has persisted over a Radeon 5870 and Radeon 6850 and about 5 complete formats and reinstalls on a Samsung 500gb F3 and a Crucial M4 SSD and 2 bios flashes to the latest bios.
It's a problem conceded by Steam and AMD, and isn't an "issue" I have concocted to scapegoat an issue I can't find.
Here are some links to prove that I am not just a mentalist posting about a non existent "issue".
Steam Support - https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3762-FHLN-3558
Steam Forum - http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2215754
Bit Tech - http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/9
AMD - http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/STEAMGamesonAMDFXplatforms.aspx
There is a temporary fix which can be found here - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?276698-A-fix-for-Valve-CEG-games-causing-BSOD-on-Bulldozer-issue&s=bfde4e4ce0d2d25b909c48e461f4e7d2
Unfortunately within about 30 minutes to 2 hours of playtime the BSOD hits even using this workaround.
Here is a thread on this very forum for this "issue" on the 990FXA-GD80 - https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=154543.0
I've tried playing a friends boxed copy of Shogun 2 (one of the titles effected) and it installs and runs with no issues, further underlining that this is a problem with the DRM associated with Steam and how it interacts with the FX chips on this bios and not my Windows installation.
The problem also doesn't persist when I replace the FX chip with a Phenom 2 Socket AM3 chip using all the same hardward.
Trust me Bas, I wouldn't be posting here that this was the "issue" if it wasn't. I build an average of 2-4 machines a month (all with MSI mainboards, but mostly socket 1155), and am big enough and ugly enough to fix any issues I create. I chose to build my own desktop using socket AM3+, so I could have a play with the new Bulldozer architecture before recommending it to people. Unfortunately it looks like I'm gonna continue recommending Sandybridge for the time being at least.

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