AGP Video card upgrade

I fear the answer will cost me $400, but here we go:
I have a dual processor Power Mac G5 tower.
There's an AGP 9800 128mb video card in there I want to upgrade.
I have an ATI X800 AGP 256mb card from a PC that's not being used anymore. I can install the card and use a Y connector off the optical drive to get power to the card, but when I boot the system I get no video.
Just as a test, I removed the card and booted the mac with no video card, it acted the same as when the X800 was in: System appears to be booting, no error beeps or anything, I just don't see anything on the screen.
I fear the answer is "Buy a Mac Edition card" but really, the only feasible option is the X800XT MacEd which is a ~$400 card after shipping costs.
Now, is there a bios upgrade that I need to make the card work? Do I need to reset the PRAM to make it be recognized? Does anyone know a card with 256mb RAM that will outperform the 9800 I have now, but not cost me an arm and a leg?
I only run two applications on this computer: Firefox and World of Warcraft. I guess if this card won't work, I'll just ebay it and spend $100 on another gig of ram and wait for the X800 video cards price to drop.
Any help the can be offered, I greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance.
G5 Power Mac Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Check with Mike over at Accelerate Your Mac, he should know how to flash that card to get it to work with a Mac.
It' probably best to sell it and buy a Mac card, than take a chance.
The X800xt is your best choice and I would choose soon because AMD bought ATI and the future is a little uncertain. Certainly AGP cards will be running out and getting more powerful ones even harder.
You should also run the latest ATI updater before installing the new card.
also
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The video cards need at least 30A to make the card run properly. That's pretty damn easy to understand how the last PSU was the problem.
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Hi
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These I think I need more help. Going thru these
threads I learned that I should consider the power
supply (overheating problems) and that "AGP G4's
have either a 208w or a 237w Power supply (PSU)"
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On another thread I read: "as far as I'm aware,
there are only two video cards currently available
retail that support Tiger's core image/video, the
Radeon 9600 and 9800. Unfortunately the 9600 requires
a x4 AGP slot, so that just leaves the 9800. It's a
powerful card but consequently is fairly expensive
and can be noisy due to it's fan."
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this?
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can't go for the ATI Radeon 9200?
I'd prefer AGP than PCI cards. What are my real
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