AGP Voltage on an i875P NEO board & APG8X vid card???
I found this statement on intel's website:
"What add-in AGP cards can be used?
The D875PBZ AGP socket is keyed for Universal 0.8 AGP cards that comply with the AGP 3.0 specification or 1.5 V AGP cards that comply with the AGP 2.0 specification.
The AGP connector supports 8x, 4x AGP 3.0 add-in cards operating at 0.8V, or 4x,1x AGP 2.0 add-in cards operating at 1.5V.
Note: There is no support for AGP 2x operation or legacy 3.3V AGP cards."
Even though this statement is geared towards an intel motherboard, it looks like to me that if you have an AGP8X graphics card, then you better set the AGP voltage in the BIOS to 0.8V
By default, the NEO board is set to 1.5V
Any thoughts?
leave bios alone and it will sort it out
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AGP voltage of gpu MS8808 ver:1A TNT2 Model64 32Mb??
I need to know the AGP voltage of gpu MS8808 ver:1A TNT2 Model64 32Mb
because I am getting a new Motherboard and it seems it just admit 1.5 volts AGP Voltage.
Thanksjuanpa74,
That is a 4x Vid Card. All 4x and 8x vid cards work with 8x mobos. All 4x and 8x mobos work with all 8X vid cards.
Here is an 8x Vid Card:
Take Care,
Richard
P.S. If the card does not fit the AGP Slot on the mobo, the voltage is wrong. (The only time this is not true is with some old Vodoo Cards that were put on the wrong PCBs.) -
NEO Boards Unofficial FAQ rev 4/05/2004 - two lights on "P" series
Hi all,
I'll start maintaining this Unofficial FAQ for the NEO boards. The contents of this FAQ are compiled from this forum, user's posted problems, usage issues, compatibility issues reported on the net etc. However, MSI does not responsible for the validity of this FAQ. Please take note.
1. BIOS
Q: I flashed the BIOS and caused my motherboard dead. Can I RMA the board?
A: This does not happen easily. Please be sure you follow the BIOS flashing instruction and wait for the BIOS flashing process to be fully completed before you restart the PC.
If this problem is caused by the recent bios 1.3 for the Intel875 ( MS6758 ) chipset, then he could ask for RMA from MSI Branch offices for Free.
If not caused by the 1.3 BIOS, they can still go through the normal RMA process. Please check with MSI branches.
Q: What is the MSI statement for the bad BIOS flash?
YES. This is the statement :Quote
When you update the bios to v1.4 using the latest flash utility, it will show "Erasing Done and then Programming Done". But actually the process has not been finished yet, you will need to wait about 30 seconds and then the message of "Flash Complete..." is showing up, this will complete the flash process.
By doing this, end user will assume when it display "Programming Done" message, it has complete the flash process which is wrong. We need to wait until the "Flash Complete..." message has displayed on the screen in order for completing the flash process.
By any chance we can remove the message of "Programming Done" and only prompt for "Flash Complete..." so customer will not turn off the system or reboot the system when they see "Programming Done" message pop on the screen?
The new version ADSFI708.EXE has fixed this issue. When you finish the BIOS , it will show the "Verifying the ROM data now" message before it showed up the "Flash Complete".
In short, use ADSFI708.EXE to flash the BIOS.
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Q: Where can I get beta BIOS?
MSI do not support beta BIOS. Use at your own risk. Under special condition such as hardware incompatibility issues and a beta BIOS is a feasible resolution, please post in the forum and let the mods arrange for you.
Latest BIOS:
Released:
875P Neo : 1.9
865PE Neo2 : 1.9
865PE Neo2-PS : 3.3 New![/B]
beta BIOS:
875P Neo : 1.9B6 link1 [Thanks to FlyTSI for hosting]
History: NO INFO PROVIDED FOR 1.9B6
865PE Neo2 : 2.01B link [thanks to FlyTSI]
History:Support Extreme OSB logo. Display L3 cache. Support Prescott cpu & update microcode. Modify Prescott ratio programming.
DO NOT APPROACH THE MODS FOR BETA BIOS! WE DO NOT DISTRIBUTE BETA BIOS!!
Q: What is the best BIOS setting for my board?
A: The optimal BIOS setting is different for each system. It's recommended to read more about the BIOS settings, from the board's manual, and some good guides like this : link.
2. Overclocking
Q:I cannot overclock my system. Can MSI update the BIOS so I can overclock?
A: This board can overclock, but overclocking depends on the peripherals that you are using like memory, CPU, heatsink etc.
Q: Which board has Dynamic Overclocking Technology?
A: Currently only 865PE Neo2-FIS2R
Q: How to disable dynamic overclocking?
A:Yes, you can disable Dynamic clocking directly in the bios setup.
3. CoreCell Technology
Q: which product has CoreCell technology built-in?
A: 875P Neo (MS-6758), 865GE Neo2 (MS-6728) & 865PE Neo2 (MS-6728)
Q: Can I assume that boards with CoreCell chip to have D.O.T ?
NO
Q: Where are the locations of temperature sensors?
CPU - taken directly from CPU pin (same as AMD thermal pin.
System - RT2 (near winbond I/O) same for 875/865 series boards.
4. RAM
Q: I have this RAM xxxx but it does not work with my board. Can MSI update the BIOS to fix this?
A: We would suggest you to use the MSI recommended memory for this part as there are a lot of memory brands out there we can't guarantee that all will work with the MB. Please go to the Product Info page, click "Test Report" and choose "Memory Modules".
For example, 875P : Here and select Memory Modules.
Q: My RAM performance is slow, the benchmark software such as PC Mark, Sisoft etc results are below par compared to other brands. WHY?
A: This issue has been identified. New BIOS update has fixed this problem. Please update to the latest BIOS.
Q: Is there any workaround?
A: There are users here share valueable information of how they tweak their BIOS to achieve good results. Kudos to them! :D Take a look at this link.
Q: What is MAT?
Memory Acceleration Technology. More to read here! Please read all to get the whole idea. You should have the idea what actually it is. :D
Q: Why my Neo2-S/LS doesn't have MAT?!
GOOD NEWS!! After first week of July, the new BIOS release will enable MAT in all Neo2 boards!
Q: What about DOT?
OK. Here is the answer:
Additional Info for MAT support:
MS-6728 BIOS V1.3 (All 865PE will support)
(Note: No MAT option for 865G due to limitation) Though the 865G have no support for MAT but if you insert AGP VGA card, you could still avail of this function!!
DOT support:
MS-6728, for exist boards, only full version supports it
Q: I want to have both MAT and DOT, can I do that?
Of course you can. However, the amount of setting you can used would depend on your current configurations. The suggested stable configuration if MAT as Fast & DOT as Captain
Q: Then what is PAT?
This is what I found in the forum, written by Assaf.
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Here's what I understand about PAT.
As you may or may not know adding pipline stages to any execution unit will allow you to run it at a higher frequency but it will increase the latancy from start to end (measured in clock pulses).
Now, in order to ensure reliable operation at 800MHz FSB intel added 2 pipline stages to the memory controller (as based on the original dual memory controller in the E7205 chipset)
This they called i865PE and it will only put into action these 2 stages when 800MHz FSB is applied (which it needs the bios to tell it is the case)
Intel take the better yealdes of 865PE and validate them for 800MHz with the 2 extra stages disabled.
These they call 875P.
A 875P bios with PAT enabled simply does not "tell" the chipset it it running at 800MHz so the extra stages are inactive thus reducing latancy relative to a situation where these stages were activated.
A hacked 865PE bios will simply follow the 875P bios rule of not notifing the chipset it is running at 800MHz.
PAT is not an optimization, it's a de-un-optimization
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Q: Can 875P/865PE boards support DDR266 RAM for 800MHz FSB CPU?
Yes, although the product webpage did not highlight DDR266.
Q: My Kingston HyperX RAM always cause errors with 875/865 board!
Known issue. Please read here: http://www.kingston.com/support/faqs/memory/intel_3.asp
Q: My system does not run stably with DDR400
A: Set DDR Voltage to 2.7V and above for DDR400, regardless what the RAM manufacturer advertised.
Q: How to set different FSB:DDR ratio? I can't find in the BIOS
The FSB:DDR ratio can be changed by setting DDR Clock [266,333,400,500,533]. However, your processor's default FSB will affect the ratio. Follow this table:
FSB DDR ratio
133 266 1:1
133 333 4:5
133 400 2:3
133 466 -
133 500 -
133 533 -
200 266 3:2
200 333 5:4
200 400 1:1
200 466 -
200 500 4:5
200 533 3:4
If you have 800FSB (200Mhz) CPU, use FSB200 table. If you have 533FSB (133MHz) CPU, use FSB133 table to get the ratio. Ratio "-" is not available and out of chipset limit.
Examples:
1. DDR400 overclock P4 2.4GHz to 3.0GHz. Ratio 5:4. FSB:250MHz. DDR Clock : 333MHz
2. DDR333 overclock P4 2.4GHz to 3.0GHz. Ratio 3:2. FSB:250MHz. DDR Clock : 266MHz
3. DDR500 Pr default. Ratio 4:5. FSB:200MHz. DDR Clock: 500MHz.
5. HDDs
Q: Can Promise RAID support 2 PATA + 2 SATA = total of 4 HDDs for a single RAID array? RAID-0? RAID-1? RAID-0+1?
Yes, Promise RAID support 2 PATA + 2 SATA (RAID-0 or RAID-1 or RAID-0+1)
Q: Does ICH5R's SATA controller support RAID?
Yes, but only ICH5R, not ICH5. Update: MSI has released beta BIOS 1.81B with ICH5R RAID-1 support. Check the link above in the BIOS section.
Q: My HDD LED doesn't lit!!!
As what I have been told that the HDD LED only lit when there are activities in IDE Primary and Secondary channels. No support for ICH5's SATA and/or Promise SATA activities yet. In other words, the HDD LED will not lit and indicate any activities for your SATA drives.
Q: What is SATA? What is PATA?
SATA = Serial ATA. There was no such "PATA" acronym before. After Serial ATA appeared, people started to find IDE as opposing to Serial ATA, and hence called IDE as "Parallel ATA" or PATA.
Q: I enable SATA in BIOS but I didn't see any SATA Controller listed in the Device Manager!
You will see two sets of IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers - Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Controller x2, Primary IDE Channel x2, Secondary IDE Channel x2. That's how Windows installed the drivers.
Q: How should I install my HDD for RAID configuration?
Note that the Promise RAID controller only controls IDE-3, SER-3 and SER-4 ports. Make sure you have your HDDs connected to these ports. Make sure you have enabled "Onboard Promise IDE" in the BIOS. Then after the POST screen, press CTRL-F once prompted and go to the RAID setup screen to setup your RAID configuration.
While the ICH5R controls IDE-1, IDE-2, SER-1 and SER-2. For ICH5R, only SER-1 and SER-2 can be set as RAID. So make sure your SATA HDDs are connected to SER-1 and SER-2. But make sure you have enabled "Configure SATA as RAID" in the BIOS. After the POST screen, press CTRL-I once prompted and go to the ICH5R RAID setup screen to setup your RAID configuration.
For more comprehensive RAID setup guide, please read this guide written by vango44. Great contribution!!
Q: My SATA HDD always gives me errors, data corruptions and can't boot!!
Check the SATA HDD's bridge chip with a "M" logo, the chip build has to be B5P and above, not B2P/B3P which are known to be buggy. B4P is OK but B5P is better. Maxtor and Western Digital SATA HDDs are known to use this bridge chip. Seagate Barracuda V uses different bridge chip and does not make that much problems compared to Maxtor's. RMA the HDDs if possible. MSI is working on the BIOS to fix this incompatible issues. Get BIOS 1.9B3 or 1.6B2 or above. I have seen around October 2003 that Western Digital HDDs come with B5P bridge chip.
Q: I want to use IDE3 for normal HDD, non-RAID
Set this in the BIOS under Integrated Peripherals:
Onboard Promise IDE : As SATA
Q: What is Legacy mode and what is Native mode?
Legacy mode uses 14 and 15 IRQs. Legacy mode can support up to 2 IDE channels, each IRQ for each channel, which means it can support 2 SATA, or 2 SATA + 2 PATA or 4 PATA. Legacy mode also works comfortably with most OSes including Linux.
Native mode means you may use all available IRQs and can support up to 2 SATA and 4 PATA. Native mode may have issues working with some OSes such as Win9x and Linux, especially on IRQ assignments.If you have Win98/ME, use Legacy mode only!
Q: How to enable both SATA and PATA?
You can use both Legacy mode and Native mode, depending on how many devices you use as described above.
For Legacy Mode:
ATA Configuration: PATA+SATA
S-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes
P-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes
PATA Channel Selection: Both
Combined Mode Operation: PATA First/SATA First, depending on which you want to act as 1st Channel.
S-ATA Ports Definition: P0-1st/P1-2nd or P0-3rd/P1-4th, depending on which you want to act as Master.
For Native Mode:
ATA Configuration: SATA Only or PATA only, depending on which you want to be the FIRST BOOT device!
S-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes if you chose PATA only
P-ATA Keep Enabled: Yes if you chose SATA Only
PATA Channel Selection: Both
Combined Mode Operation: PATA First/SATA First, depending on which you want to act as 1st Channel.
S-ATA Ports Definition: - P0-1st/P1-2nd or P0-3rd/P1-4th, depending on which you want to act as Master.
Q: What is S-ATA Ports Definition?
There are two options: P0-1st/P1-2nd and P0-3rd/P1-4th. If you choose P0-1st/P1-2nd, your Port-0 S-ATA (SER-1) will become the 1st IDE Master, ie IDE-1 Master. and Port-1 S-ATA (SER-2) will become 2nd IDE Master. If you plan to boot with SATA HDD, it's recommended to set to P0-1st/P1-2nd. If you plan to boot with PATA HDD, it's recommended to set to P0-3rd/P1-4th.
Q: When I enable SATA+PATA mode, why only IDE-1 or IDE-2 can be used?
If you chose "SATA 1st Channel", IDE-1 will be dropped. If you chose "PATA 1st Channel", IDE-2 will be dropped.
Q: I want my SATA to be the 1st IDE drive in Legacy Mode along with PATA, how?
Set this:
ATA Configuration: PATA+SATA
S-ATA Keep Enabled: don't care
P-ATA Keep Enabled: don't care
PATA Channel Selection: don't care
Combined Mode Operation: SATA 1st Channel
S-ATA Ports Definition: P0-1st/P1-2nd
With this configuration, you can have your SER-1 and SER-2 act as IDE-1 master and slave. But you can only connect your PATA drives on IDE-2 slot.
Q: I am a noob, I want more details.
More info? here
Q: How to support 250GB HDD? Windows only sees up to 134GB.
Follow this instruction: here for Win2000 and WinXP.
Q: I've installed a new SATA HDD, I can find it in Device Manager but it doesn't appear in Windows Explorer at all! HELP!!
You need to format the HDD, not just SATA but also PATA HDD then only Windows Explorer can see it and assign it with a drive letter. To format a HDD, right click on My Computer, select Manage, look for Disk Management. You should see a no-drive-letter unformatted drive there in the list. Get it formatted by right click on it and choose the obvious option there is.
6. Onboard Sound
Q: My onboard sound lost after I overclock the system!
Goto BIOS setup and lock AGP/PCI to 67/33.
7. Universal Serial Bus [Thanks to Danny for contribution]
Q: Why doesn't my board have USB2 ports?
A: The ICH5 and ICH5R chipsets support up to 8 USB2 ports. Under Windows XP when you view your USB settings using Device Manager you will see 4 Intel 82801EB USB Universal Host Controllers and 1 Intel 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller; Windows 2000 is similar, you are looking for "Enhanced". If you don't see "Enhanced" you need to install SP1 for XP or the latest service pack for W2K. If you have these service packs installed and still don't see enhanced, used the Device Manager to remove the 5 controllers and reboot to allow Windows to correctly install the right drivers.
Q: If I have 8 USB2 ports, why does Sandra tell me they are USB1.1?
A: When lower speed devices are plugged in, or high speed devices are plugged in without USB2 operating system support, they are routed to the low speed host controllers. High speed devices are routed directly to the Enhanced host controller when operating system support exists.
Base on http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/manuals/29865602.pdf
8. CPU - contributed by Danny! :biggthumbsup:
Q: I have an 800 FSB Pentium 4 CPU, but the bios is set for 200! If I set it to 800 it crashes! What is wrong?
A: The FSB rating of the CPU is 4 times the FSB rating of the motherboard. To quote Intel: "This is accomplished through a physical signaling scheme of quad pumping the data transfers over a 200 MHz clocked system bus and a buffering scheme allowing for sustained 800 MHz data transfers." So valid settings are 100 for a 400FSB CPU, 133 for a 533FSB CPU and 200 for an 800FSB CPU.
Q: The Windows task manager and the Device Manager show I have two CPU's. What's wrong?
A: Your CPU is a model that has Hyperthreading technology and it is enabled in the bios. To quote Intel: "It allows software programs to "see" two processors and work more efficiently. This new technology enables the processor to execute two series, or threads, of instructions at the same time, thereby improving performance and system responsiveness."
Q: Do these boards support Prescott CPU?
Update: Prescott spec is not finalized. There might be more requirements needed other than meeting FMB guideline. It is hard to say if current motherboards can fully support it. [/color]
This is the latest info from MSI. Check this link here
9. Power Management
Q: What are S1/POS and S3/STR modes?
S1/POS = Power On Suspend, nothing turn off just that everything is running in extremely slow.
S3/STR = Suspend to RAM, PSU only powers 5V_STBY to the board for RAM refreshing, the rest all off.
Additionally,
S4 = Suspend to Disk. Win2k/XP calls it "Hibernation" mode. In this mode, the RAM and CPU state images are copied into the HDD. After S4 mode, you can safely remove the power cord.
S5 = Soft Off. PSU still supplies 5V_STBY.
G3 = mechanical off. No power at all to the board.
Q: Where to set the standby modes?
For S1 and S3, you can set the standby mode to either S1 or S3, not both, in the BIOS. Note that Windows cannot choose which standby mode to run. You have to set it in the BIOS.
For S4, you can only set it in Windows 2k/XP (and ME, but not 98).
10. Others
Q: I have MSI FX5900 which has double sided fans, can it fit in the board?
Most boards can fit the FX5900. Including, the NEOs' MS-6728, MS-6758, and others like KT4A ultra, MS6777 Nvidia board.
Q: Why my NB Temp value is always stay the same?
On 875P Neo and 865PE Neo2, there is no NB temp sensor! The value you read from CoreCenter does not mean anything. Please update to the latest CoreCenter.
Q. What are the two lights on my "P" series board for?
A. These are the Overclock Signal Lights:
1. Green, Green: Both AGP and CPU are dynamic overclocking.
2. Green, Red: The memory is overclocking to 533MHz.
3. Red, Green: The external frequency is overclocking to 350MHz, and the frequency between the north bridge and CPU is 1400MHz.
4. Red, Red: CPU is dynamic overclocking now.
There are more to come soon. Please do not reply or request for FAQ contents in this thread. The FAQ will be picked up from the popular threads. Thanks.
Update History:
6/23/2003 : Added onboard sound lost fix
6/25/2003 : Added HDD LED
6/26/2003 : GOOD NEWS!! MAT to be available in all Neo2 boards!
6/27/2003 : SATA, PATA
7/1/2003 : 865G MAT support!!
7/7/2003 : MAT + DOT support
7/7/2003 : Prescott CPU support
7/7/2003 : DDR266 RAM support for 800MHz FSB CPU
7/17/2003 : Prescott CPU support UPDATED
7/18/2003 : SATA & PATA updated
8/15/2003 : latest BIOS updates
8/15/2003 : RAID-1 support for ICH5R
8/16/2003 : RAID configuration
9/02/2003 : beta BIOS updates - 1.81B
9/03/2003 : beta BIOS update for 865 - 1.52B
10/03/2003 : beta BIOS update for 875 - 1.9B3
10/06/2003 : beta BIOS update for 865 - 1.6B2
10/08/2003 : beta BIOS update for 865 - 1.7B1 link provided
10/13/2003 : minor updates on old issues
10/16/2003 : NB temp sensor?
10/19/2003 : Promise IDE3 for non-RAID function
10/20/2003 : Prescott updates
10/21/2003 : FSB:DDR ratio
11/21/2003 : Legacy, Native mode, SATA+PATA Configuration
12/01/2003 : BIOS 1.9B6 for 875P
12/15/2003 : Prescott Support, 250GB HDD support, BIOS 1.9 FINAL
1/11/2004 : BIOS 2.01B for 865PE Neo2, BIOS 3.30 for 865PE Neo2-P
1/12/2004 : USB 2.0 [thanks to Danny for contribution]
1/26/2004 : SATA + PATA Revisited
1/26/2004 : Added 8. CPU [contributed by Danny]
1/27/2004 : Added formatting SATA HDD in WinXP
1/28/2004 : updated on SATA+PATA and links with Danny, Vango44 and Uruk Hai's contributions :biggthumbsup:
1/28/2004 : Added power management
04/05/2004 : Added two lights on "P" series boards [Danny]Dear [Maesus],
I have tried to duplicate the issue, I saw it only once when I reflash the BIOS and then change the CPU clock setting.
My procedure as below…
1. Boot system
2. Update BIOS to 1.9 version
3. Restart the system to BIOS setting
4. Change the CPU Bus Clock to 229
5. Save the setting & exit and then the system restart automatically
6. And then I saw the CPU is only running 1.86GHz (my CPU is 3.2GHZ FSB 800MHz)
But I would like to explain that my procedure as above is incorrect.
The correct procedure should be as below….
1. Boot system
2. Update BIOS to 1.9 version
3. Restart the system to BIOS setting
4. Load BIOS setup default first
5. Change the CPU Bus Clock to 229
6. Save the setting & exit and then the system restart automatically
7. And then I saw the CPU is running 3.66GHz (my CPU is 3.2GHZ FSB 800MHz)
Note: To load BIOS setup default setting after reflash BIOS that is because all original default setting will be erase after upgrade BIOS. So we always recommend customers to load BIOS default setting first before change any BIOS setting.
BTW, we have updated the BIOS version to support Prescott CPU. Users can decide to update it or not.
The new release BIOS as attach file.
Best regard!
[MSI Staff] -
Dear All,
Currently, I've changed my MSI board from Intel 845GE Max-L to 865P Neo Board and seems like I was unable to play games (eg: NFS HP2, C&C General). When I start up the game, after the movies introduction, supposed it will reach the main menu, but it hang there, no display, my monitor power cut off, no sound either. I can't see anything at all.
Everything was running fine, except running games. Should be Intel 865P better than Intel 845GE. Hope you guys can help me solved this problem for me. The BIOS setting is set to default, no overclocking.
I've change my system from:
P4 2.0GHZ
MSI Intel 845GE Max-L
512MB PC2100 (DDR266)
to:
P4 2.53GHz
MSI Intel 865P Neo Board
2X 256MB PC3200 (DDR400) = 512MB
Using the same graphic card:
Hercules 3D Prophet Radeon 8500LE Series (4X AGP Card)
Pls help!!! Thanxs!!!!
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Originally posted by funks
Try forcing your RAM to 266 in the BIOS and see if it works any better..
Any ideas how to do it?? I can\\\'t find any setting for RAM to be set to 266 in the BIOS...
Hmmm, it\'s in one of the menu options (where you can set processor voltage and such)..
There\'s 4 possible settings for it when I looked (266, 333, AUTO, 400)..
Take it off AUTO and set it to 266..
I tried wat you have told me...set to 266MHz
still the same... Monitor power will just cut off. Cannot see anything. Do u guys think is the power supply prob?
I'm using a 300Watt PW. but I was wondering if PW not enough, it will not be able to bootup. -
Hi
I have query regarding the voltage that my GeForce FX5200 AGP card should be set to in the BIOS.
The 'spec' for the 875P AGP 3.0 slot states:
"AGP slot supports 8x/4x at 0.8v (AGP 3.0) or 4x at 1.5v (3.3v is not supported)"
Now according to CPU-Z, my FX5200 is running at 8x and my voltage setting is 1.65v, but shouldn't it be set to 0.8v for 8x?
(Come to think of it, I don't think the AGP voltage goes as low as 0.8v because I bleive the minimum voltage is 1.55)?
Maybe I'm not reading this correctly but I don't want to damage my board or AGP card, so I'd rather check it out with you guys.
Regards
Brave01HeartNo 1.55 is Fine ...As that is what MSI chose to use as the AGP Default......Some people run it at 1.6, But as most people don't realize that these newer generation Vid Cards get 90% of thier operating power from the +12V line (of the 4 pin Molex connector)....And even if you dont have a four pin molex, the only thing that you are doing is heating up your MCH (north bridge) with the the extra juice if you run it more then 1.5 Volts .....Sean REILLY875
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I have the P965 Neo board running perfect for two years, for a few weeks ago the system didn't startup, a long beep sound came from the MB. I opened the case, checked connectors etc. and replaced the memory modules. After that the system runs ok, no problem occurs for almost three weeks.
For a few days ago, out of the blue, the system didn't startup: error message: "WARNING Have option ROM can not be invoke (Vendor ID: 10Ech, Device ID:8167h)"
I reset the system and it passes the POST, the WINDOWS XP splash screen shows up but after a few seconds the blue progress bar stops.
I reset the system again and now the WINDOWS XP splash screen stays fade out, no progress bar
I reset the system several times, after a few times the system normally boots up and is ok.
I tested the HD with Speedfan Smart utility and it is found ok. Also no virus etc is found. I checked the device manager, no driver problems.
Yesterday the system had the same problems (XP boot blue progress bar stops, sometimes the progress is very slow) but after a few restarts the system boots normal and is ok.
Tonight, after I had opened the case to measure the voltages, I startup the system but no problem occurs. The 12V and 5V are ok
I think I have a hardware problem but I'm doubt what hardware (MB,RAM,PSU,processor) causing this kind of problems.
Can you help me ?
thanks,
Herman
My system:
MSI P965 Neo-F
Intel Core2Duo E6400
XFX Geforce 7600GS
DIMM 2x1GB DDR2/533 Nanya
XP SP3
BIOS W7235 IMS V1.5
Quote from: NovJoe on 03-July-09, 21:57:34
Clear CMOS and try booting the system again.
Was the system like this from Day 1 or this only happens after something has been done?
Thks NovJoe ....
The system had run without any problem for more than 2 years.
I presume I have a connection problem on the MOBO or other hardware. If I place the PC case in the cabinet under my desk, the problem occurs. If I have the PC on the floor there is not any problem. It also happens only when the PC is cold.
I asked my hardware supplier, he suggested to test the hardware with a special self booting hardware test CD. It will cost 40 euro. I searched for such a CD on internet but didn't find one special for MSI boards. Do you know where I can get such a CD ?
regards,
Herman -
I use the ATI AGP card ! It is R9100(GPU) 64MB DDR Series !
who have experience in ATI cards ?
My AGP card is working at 1.5v ! Who know at which voltage it will be perfect performance?
r9100 GPU Core at 250Mhz ;DDR Also at 250Mhz ! support DirectX 8.1
How to overclock my ATI card?Many people thought that AGP 1.5V ~ 1.7V is the one use to overvolt your AGP card. But in fact, that is little to do with AGP card. It has more to do with the AGP signals, and much much more to OVERVOLT and OVERHEAT your board chipsets - MCH and ICH (northbridge and southbridge)!!!
If you plan to overclock your whole system, you need to adjust this 1.5V higher, 1.6V which is OK. If your system crashed, it's not only to be your AGP card causing the crash, but also the onboard chipset!!! However, Intel chipset is very very robust by its own so it ends up to the motherboard design quality and also AGP card design quality.
Furthermore, now most high-end AGP cards have their own voltage supply by external power connectors. Some cards even have their own 1.5V regulator. So the AGP 1.5V does very little here to these AGP cards.
In answer to mofamous, stick with 1.5V, it's not necessary to overvolt it even you overclock your card. There is little performance margin you can gain from overclocking your card. And plain voltage pumping will not help much too. -
ATI Radeon 8500LE on MSI 865P Neo Board
Dear everyone!
Has anyone run on ATI Radeon 8500LE 64MB on a MSI 865P Neo Board together? Currently, I running this graphic card on MSI 865P Neo Board and seems like everytime I started to play games, it will hang! When I change to Riva TNT2 gfx card, it can play my games. Seems like MSI 865P unable to run my ATI Radeon 8500LE....
Perviously, I use MSI 845GE MAX-L, yet no prob faced running on my 8500LE card.
Anyone have any advice or patches or anything to fix this bugs? Pls advice!!
Thanxs alot!!none of the suggestions on that thread worked for me
and i dont understand why you should disable features that will make the radeon perform at a lower level.
this is what i did to stop the 9700 pro from crashing.
Fresh install of windows then install service packs FIRST THING install chipset INF drivers before anything else.
I had trouble with the Catalyst 3.2 drivers. The 3.4 cats work fine for me. Also in the bios AGP apeture set that to 256mb. If the cat 3.4 drivers dont work try the 3.1 drivers -
I just tried to upgrade my video card and the new card wouldn't work.
The computer store said I may need to increase my AGP voltage.
The card I'm running now is a nVidia 5900GT and I tried a nVidia 6200. The 6200 wouldn't work..
Can anybody explain what I need to do? I'm comfortable with BIOS changes.
Thanks,
BillI'm just trying to get VISTA ready. That's why I'm looking at a new video card. Here's my system.
SiSoftware Sandra
Mainboard
Manufacturer : Micro-Star
MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
MPS Version : 1.40
Model : MS-7025
System BIOS : 09/07/2005-MS-7025-6A61CM4DC-00
Chipset : nVidia nForce3 ICP
System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 4
Maximum Installable Memory : 16GB
Bank0/1 - A0 : DIMM 1GB/64
Bank2/3 - A1 : DIMM 1GB/64
Bank4/5 - A2 : Empty
Bank6/7 - A3 : Empty
Chipset 1
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nforce3 CPU to PCI Bridge
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI USB i2c/SMBus
Version : 1.03
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 824MHz (1648MHz data rate)
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Memory Controller in Processor : Yes
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No
Chipset 2
Model : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI USB i2c/SMBus
Version : 1.02
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 824MHz (1648MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 1000MHz / 2x 200MHz
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
IO Queue Depth : 8 request(s)
Chipset 2 Hub Interface
Type : HyperTransport
Version : 1.02
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Speed : 2x 824MHz (1648MHz data rate)
Logical/Chipset 2 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR2
Bank 1 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR2
Channels : 1
Bank Interleave : 2-way
Speed : 2x 206MHz (412MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 1/9x
Width : 128-bit
Memory Controller in Processor : Yes
Cores per Memory Controller : 1 Unit(s)
Refresh Rate : 7.80µs
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No
Memory Module 1
Manufacturer : PNY Electronics
Type : 1GB DDR-SDRAM
Technology : 16x(64Mx8)
Speed : PC3200U
Standard Timings : 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Date of Manufacture : Sunday, February 05, 2051
Set Timing @ 200MHz : 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Set Timing @ 167MHz : 2.5-3-3-7 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Set Timing @ 133MHz : 2.0-2-2-5 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Memory Module 2
Type : 1GB DDR-SDRAM
Technology : 16x(64Mx8)
Speed : PC3200U
Standard Timings : 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Date of Manufacture : Saturday, December 25, 1999
Set Timing @ 200MHz : 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Set Timing @ 167MHz : 2.5-3-3-7 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Set Timing @ 133MHz : 2.0-2-2-5 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS)
Environment Monitor 1
Model : Winbond W83627(T)HF ISA
Version : 9.00
Mainboard Specific Support : No
Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 18.0°C / 64.4°F
CPU Temperature : 42.5°C / 108.5°F td
Power / Aux Temperature : 32.5°C / 90.5°F
Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
Chassis Fan Speed : 5273rpm
CPU Fan Speed : 3184rpm
Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 2.34V
Aux Voltage : 3.25V
+3.3V Voltage : 3.07V
+5V Voltage : 4.97V
+12V Voltage : 2.19V
-12V Voltage : -9.32V
-5V Voltage : -7.21V
Standby Voltage : 4.56V
Battery Voltage : 2.61V
AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 3.00
Speed : 8x
Fast-Writes Enabled : Yes
Isochronous Mode Enabled : No
Addressing Enabled : 32-bit
PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.20
Number of Bridges : 2
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 2 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)
LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nForce3 CPU to ISA Bridge
LPC Hub Controller 2
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nForce3 PCI SMB Controller
USB Controller 1
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nForce3 OHCI USB Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 4
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No
USB Controller 2
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nForce3 OHCI USB Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 4
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No
USB Controller 3
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nForce3 EHCI USB 2.0 Controller
Version : 2.00
Specification : 1.00
Interface : EHCI
Channels : 8
Companion Controllers : 2
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support : 32-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No
System SMBus Controller 1
Model : nVidia MCP2+ SMBus 1
Version : 0A.01
Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No
Slave Device Enabled : No
PEC Support : No
System SMBus Controller 2
Model : nVidia MCP2+ SMBus 2
Version : 0A.01
Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No
Slave Device Enabled : No
PEC Support : No
Expansion Slot(s)
PCI0 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available (Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nForce3 CPU to ISA Bridge)
PCI1 (2h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available (Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) nForce3 OHCI USB Controller)
PCI2 (3h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
PCI3 (4h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
PCI4 (5h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Used
AGP (58h) : AGP 32-bit +5V Full-Length Used
Port Connector(s)
PRIMARY IDE : None - ATA / None
SECONDARY IDE : None - ATA / None
FDD : 8251 FIFO - Floppy Disk / None
COM1 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
COM2 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
LPT1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - DB-25 pin female / DB-25 pin female
Keyboard : Keyboard - PS/2 / PS/2
PS/2 Mouse : Mouse - PS/2 / PS/2
USB0 : USB - None / None -
Would like to know what is the AGP voltage of the motherboard mentioned above, can't find it anywhere in the MSI site.
Asking because I'm using that mobo, and my newly bought ATI radeon 9600xt just won't work on it. When I say it won't work, I mean it crashes at any attempt to do 3d rendering(including direct3d test at dxdiag). My older card GF2MX worked pretty well.
Someone suggested that "cause new graphic cards are using 1.5V......... Old 4X AGP are only compatible with 3V graphic card. " How true is that? Could that be precisely just why my new graphic card won't work on my mobo? The board I mentioned above only support 4xagp true enough, but I'm not sure of the voltage. Does anyone know? The manual does not specify it.
Yeap, I installed and updated to the latest drivers.
Thank you!My mobo can support 4x/8x AGP but I did use older AGP cards on it so no worries. I used to have an SIS 645D SA7 mobo from Abit that runs 2x/4x AGP Gart but also supports 4x/8x AGP cards as well as 1x/2x & 2x/4x AGP cards since 4x are found in all current AGP cards and on almost the new AGP cards, the RAMDACs are running on 1.5v(including the older GF4 series) so it's definately supported.
Just follow my suggestions on increasing your AGP Voltage for your ATI card in BIOS and use Omega drivers for ATI based AGP card. It won't harm your ATI card at all .
Lastly,I recommend that you do a clean un-installation of your old nVidia drivers or any older versions of AGP drivers before installing the new drivers. You may also be required to update your AGP Accelerator Gart driver for SIS based mobo, check the mobo's driver page for the latest version . -
MSI FX5200-T128[8917]Has 5200Ultra Chip Will it need AGP Voltage rise
Hi,
Some where in this forum i saw that someone is talking about after removing the heatsink of 5200 and seeing it is 5200 Ultra ...It happened to me too...
My GPU is ought to be 5200 but under the heatsink it is 5200 Ultra
soo i need help about that how can i found vga bios for to turn its bios to 5200 Ultra's
My xp drivers saying it is 5200, after i updated bios will it be turn to 5200 Ultra...?? it must be but is there any compability issues known by anyone ??
And it is 5200 Ultra why it doesn't needs external power input[From PSU] like other Ultras have ?
If i rise the AGP voltage will it be helpful to use all power of 5200Ultra ?
thanx for your time ...
Sorry for my englishSince this issue is regarding a VGA card I'm moving your thread to the VGA Forum...
Bonz -
Whats the AGP voltage of the 6800 ultra ??
Anyone have the bios of the MSI NX6800UltraT2D256???KarZyX,
Quote
i need the bios to look it configuration
You have one already in your Vid Card, just save it.
Take Care,
Richard -
Does the AGP slot on the Pro266(ms6366) Master take video cards that are 1.5 volt? Or is it just the lower voltage cards?
Installed latest via 4 in 1s, and the previous version. Tried a different set of Detonator drivers. Tried a ti4200(both PNY). Tried setting a lower AGP aperture. I even reinstalled Xp and used the native Xp drivers. I also removed all PCI cards. Still no go. I just gave up on the Geforce 4 ti4400 altogether and went with a Visiontek Geforce 3 ti500. This could be an issue for MSI. If they want to do anything about it. I did not, however, flash my BIOS. I don't feel comfortable with the flash procedure due to the fact that my hard drive is NTFS.
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hi,
i have a asus radeon 9800xt/tvd and every now and then i get weird thick dark bands running vertically at window xp pro desktop...also has narrower horizonntal banding as well. I reboot and it generally works after that properly. However, the other day it initialised the GART driver just before desktop loading and suddenly rebooted...then did it again. I went to bios and increased agp voltage from default 1.65v to 1.7v and it worked. Hssn't done anything wrong since. Was i right in assuming that was the problem and can i damage the card by doing so? Has this happened to anyone else? If so, how did you solve it and what was the cause?
Aspro
p.s. using latest catalyst drivers.
p.p.s. does anyone use the asus enhanced driver for their 9800xt/tvd instead of catalyst? if so why?I have read about some people using 1.7v to solve certain problems although this was earlier 9600 cards I believe. I'm pretty sure you can't damge anything with that setting so if it works keep it. It is odd though that increasing voltage would solve this since the card gets most of its power from the extra cable you connected.
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guys,
i have an msi nx6800gt and my mobo is msi k8n neo2 platinum.
do you think i should try using 1.6v agp voltage?
i'm currently using default 1.5v but i was just wondering if using
1.6v would help me o/c a bit more.
at the moment the card doesn't o/c well at all.
would it be safe to use 1.6v?
thanxYes, 1.6v is safe, but it may not help you OC much higher. If the card won't OC very well it's either to hot or your PSU is to weak on the 12v rail...Or you just got a card that doesn't OC well, that can happen too...Good Luck.
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