AGP vs PCI for 2nd display

I am considering upgrading my set-up to include a 2nd 17" LCD display.
Can anyone tell me how bad of a performance hit I'll get by getting my 2nd ADC port through a PCI card? Will I actually see a lag between the PCI-fed and the AGP-fed displays?
Is there even a PCI card with direct ADC out for the G4? Or is the DVI-to-ADC adapter the only way to get ADC? (In which case, it's probably better to just upgrade the AGP card.)

Thanks. That clears things up quite a bit.
For anybody else considering adding a 2nd ADC display to a Quicksilver with GeForce2 setup, here's some of the info I've collected on various configurations including rough eBay prices:
a) Nvidia GeForce4 Ti 128MB AGP + 1 DVI-ADC adapter runs about ~$200.
b) Radeon 9000 64MB AGP + 1 DVI-ADC adapter runs about $160.
c) Radeon 9200 128MB PCI + 1 DVI-ADC adapter runs about $180. But you can't sell your GeForce2 AGP card.
d) OEM Radeon 9600 AGP (from G5s) + 1 DVI-ADC adapter runs about $120 for 64MB and $200 for 128MB. But requires modifications (with tape) to work and (with solder) to run power to the ADC. Some sellers are offering modified cards for an additional $50 or 60 but without the power modification.
e) Radeon 9600 Pro Mac Edition 256MB + 2 DVI-ADC adapters runs about $360.
Options a, b and c will not support Core Image, while d and e will.

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Model Identifier:          MacPro1,1
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Total Number Of Cores:          4
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Vendor:          NVIDIA (0x10de)
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