AIA error handling solutions
Hi All,
Could anyone please help me out understanding, what are solutions available from the AIA error handling perspective??
Thannks,
Santosh
If you have used AIA Life Cycle to create your composites, then by default it will have exception handling part associated with it.
On top of it you can use the Work List application to track your exceptions and fault policy management as well.
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17904_01/doc.1111/e17364/configerrhandl.htm
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E21764_01/doc.1111/e17366/chapter13.htm
Fault Policy Management
http://ofmxperts.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/basics-of-fault-management-framework-in_23.html
Thanks,
Vijay
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Hi,
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Please send me the link if you have other wise give me the solution on the same.
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NageshHi !
Just check out these links This might help you.
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/29/345d3b7c32a527e10000000a114084/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7b/94553b4d53273de10000000a114084/content.htm
<b>The following link has entire configuration of Receiver XI Adapter (including acknowledgements)</b>
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<b> eror handling in BPM.
</b>
1. CCMS monitoring
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2. BPM Monitoring
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/e7bc3a5a-0501-0010-1095-eb47159e169c
3. Monitoring XML Messages http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/41/b715045ffc11d5b3ea0050da403d6a/frameset.htm
/people/sap.user72/blog/2005/11/29/xi-how-to-re-process-failed-xi-messages-automatically
monitoring BPm https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/e7bc3a5a-0501-0010-1095-eb47159e169c
Reconciliation of Messages in BPM - /people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2006/04/08/reconciliation-of-messages-in-bpm
Also see the below BPM related links
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/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2005/08/03/xpath-to-show-the-path-multiple-receivers
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/content.htm
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/cb/15163ff8519a06e10000000a114084/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/08/16163ff8519a06e10000000a114084/content.htm
Many other examples can be found under the following link at help.sap.com
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Also have a look at these seminars,
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/media/uuid/daea5871-0701-0010-12aa-c3a0c6d54e02
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/media/uuid/e8515171-0701-0010-be98-e37bec4706cc
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Dear All,
When I trigger my workflow from SWUE,the workflow containers must be populated with agent name.But it is populated only with 'US'.Please suggest.
On the other hand, when I trigger my workflow from ME21N,the workflow goes into error.The error statement is "Exception occurred - Error handling for work item 000000954797".What is the problem?
Please suggest the solution for which I will be grateful.
Thanks and regards,
S.SureshDear ,
I use bus2012 as BOR and event as created.
When I create purchase order from ME21N,bus2012 is not triggering.Instead FREBUS2012 gets triggered which is a subtype of bus2012.
At SWETYPV,event linkage is activated only for BUS2012 and there is no entry at SWETYPV for FREBUS2012.
Though I configured the workflow with start events:BUS2012->created,why FREBUS2012 should trigger my workflow which is not seen in SWETYPV?How to override it?Please suggest.
There is no start conditions for my workflow.Whenever purchase order is created,this workflow should trigger.
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&_EVT_OBJECT& -> &BUS2012&
&_EVT_CREATOR& -> & WFINITIATOR&
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Order blocked by user / Workflow error handling
Hi Folks,
I am getting this requirement quite often. Time to address it in a more efficient way than that I know.
The following is the requirement:
Workitem goes to approver. If the approver approves/rejects the workitem, there is a subsequent change in the sales order which is handled by BAPI in the next step. If the sales order is locked by some user, BAPI does not make change and throws an error.
Solution that I can think of:
The way it is handled right now is - if there is an error message from BAPI - the workflow is routed to a power user or an email message is sent to admin asking him to inform the right user.
This approach of mine does not sound correct. Can we actually throw error at the time when the approver tries to open the workitem itself (i.e. see if the transaction is being locked and if it is locked - throw an error and do not allow the approver to take action ).
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aby.Hi Folks,
I am getting this requirement quite often. Time to address it in a more efficient way than that I know.
The following is the requirement:
Workitem goes to approver. If the approver approves/rejects the workitem, there is a subsequent change in the sales order which is handled by BAPI in the next step. If the sales order is locked by some user, BAPI does not make change and throws an error.
Solution that I can think of:
The way it is handled right now is - if there is an error message from BAPI - the workflow is routed to a power user or an email message is sent to admin asking him to inform the right user.
This approach of mine does not sound correct. Can we actually throw error at the time when the approver tries to open the workitem itself (i.e. see if the transaction is being locked and if it is locked - throw an error and do not allow the approver to take action ).
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aby.
Hi Aby,
If I understand this correctly, the sales order can be blocked by some other application during the approver's task?
Is the approval task a decision task, or a custom task? If custom, perhaps you could include some locking/unlocking code?
I suppose you could implement a before-method to check for a lock - but you aren't able to pass data back to the approval task from a before method. You could check for a lock in a separate task prior to the approval task, but there is no guarantee that the user would complete the task before someone else locks the object up again.
Another approach might be to check the results of the BAPI, and if it's throwing an 'Object locked' type of error, call it again. Of course, you would need to put some wait time in the BAPI, and also, you would need to ensure it does not go on waiting and trying forever. But nobody likes to admit they put wait steps into anything.
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Hello Gurus,
I got an requirement to activate Forward Error Handling in SRM. I have searched on SDN but didn't find appropriate answer on it.
Even I found some link: PI/XI: Forward Error Handling (FEH) for asynchronous proxy calls with the use of Error and Conflict Handler (ECH)
It explains me some points like activating FEH from SRM in SPRO. I have activated the same, plz check the screen shot:
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Here my concern is, should I follow this document? Does it applicable to all to all the scenarios?
Step 8: it assign object id and type what does it mean...
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I am trying to implement FEH in my SRM system. So that when even XML fails due to error, I should be able to reprocess/restart it with some editing to the XML.
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I have made some configurations like:
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As stated in in the link :
http://esworkplace.sap.com/socoview%28bD1lbiZjPTAwMSZkPW1pbg==%29/render.asp?id=2BAABCB0D30111DC2B8D000F20FCB6A9&fragID=…
Also I have made some configuration according to the Note: 1973768 - No reprocess option is available in FEH for failed in XML in SRM
Resulted, the “Process” button get activated in the XML Post Processing screen.
But can I reprocess my XML with edited value from there..?
All the configuration part of PI is already done .
I wanted to know about the FEH Part. what are the steps i am missing or where i am going wrong ?
Please let me help.
Thanks
Regards
KaranDear Raz,
I have gone with above mentioned note, it explains about creating Custom Proxy and configuration with PI scenario. Even the link in my previous post, explains about the custom proxies and configuration..
I think I should must be descriptive about my issue.
I am trying to implement FEH in my SRM system. So that when even XML fails due to error, I should be able to reprocess/restart it with some editing to the XML.
My receiver interface for XML is PurchaseRequestERPSourcingRequest_In
I think this is standard one and no need to make any custom code for it. SAP has all ready given solution for it with some Configuration.
I have made some configurations like:
The view FEHV_ACTIVE must have the status active.
In transaction /SAPPO/LOGSYS , the logical system must be defined for the software component SRM-EBP-ESA .
As stated in in the link :
http://esworkplace.sap.com/socoview%28bD1lbiZjPTAwMSZkPW1pbg==%29/render.asp?id=2BAABCB0D30111DC2B8D000F20FCB6A9&fragID=…
Also I have made some configuration according to the Note: 1973768 - No reprocess option is available in FEH for failed in XML in SRM
Resulted, the “Process” button get activated in the XML Post Processing screen.
But can I reprocess my XML with edited value from there..?
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we have a problem with the error handling in WebUtil's CLIENT_OLE2.get_obj_property function. The WebUtil version is 1.0.2 and the problem can be reproduced on the 9iAS, 9iDS and 10gAS as well.
Problem description:
The get_obj_property function does not throw a PL/SQL exception when it is given an invalid object as first argument (i.e. an object handle to an application that has intermittently been closed by the user). Instead, the function returns a NULL value and the control flow of our application code continues as if the function had succeeded. So the problem is that the get_obj_property function neither throws an exception nor can the failure be caught by calling WEBUTIL_CORE.IsError as this returns that no error occurred.
Example:
PACKAGE BODY word IS
OBJ_HND CLIENT_OLE2.OBJ_TYPE := NULL;
mydocs CLIENT_ole2.obj_type;
-- Start Word97
PROCEDURE wordopen is
BEGIN
obj_hnd := null;
obj_hnd := CLIENT_OLE2.create_obj ('Word.Application');
CLIENT_OLE2.Set_property(obj_hnd,'Visible',1);
END;
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BEGIN
IF obj_hnd IS NULL THEN
wordopen;
END IF;
BEGIN
mydocs := CLIENT_OLE2.get_obj_property(obj_hnd,'Documents');
EXCEPTION WHEN OTHERS THEN
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-- so just start it again and retry...
wordopen;
mydocs := CLIENT_OLE2.get_obj_property(obj_hnd,'Documents');
END;
END;
END;
If the procedure test is called once then the Word application is started and the procedure performs some work. The procedure could be called several times on the same Word instance but fails in case the user closes the Word application because the procedure does not get an exception or error from WebUtil's get_obj_property function. Only a JACOB Java exception is logged in the Java console of the user's computer - the PL/SQL code has no way of knowing that an error has occurred.
Possible solution / patch for webutil.pll:
The webutil.pll can be patched to throw an exception if it is given an invalid object handle. In webutil.pll version 1.0.2 in get_object_property, line 1205, just add the condition "(v_javaHandle IS NULL) or " at the beginning of the if-statement in that line so that an OLE_ERROR will be raised if v_javaHandle is NULL:
if (v_javaHandle IS NULL) or (v_javaHandle = 0) or (v_javaHandle='') or (v_javaHandle=-1) then
raise OLE_ERROR;
end if;
Can you confirm the error and re-release a patched webutil.pll at a later time?
Regards,
Andreas Leidner
infoteam GmbH BerlinHi
It is mentioned in webutil doc that, you must regenerate webutil.pll before using it; otherwise you’ll encounter error ORA-06508 when running a form with the attached library.
Hope this helps...
Regards,
Amatu Allah
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Newbie Help-I just installed DVD Studio Pro 4...
...as an upgrade from DVD Studio Pro 3 and now I can't find any of the menu templates or button templates. Does anyone know where they are located so I can import them back in to the program? Thanks!