AirPort 802.11g range
Greetings.
I'm setting up a Mac mini as the hub of a home theater system and the fact that it will be on a wireless network is important.
We're going to be using the latest Airport which is 802.11n but the mini only has g. The furthest machine is going to be 70 feet away - and it needs to be reliably on the network.
Can anyone speak to whether this is realistic? I know it is probably on the fringes.
I think that you should be okay. Seventy feet isn't that far as long as you don't have a lot of metal and concrete and you run at 2.4GHz not 5. Speed should be pretty good since you are not adding an Airport Extreme as part of a WDS. Just remember because you are using an 802.11n Extreme with equipment that is at best 802.11g, you cannot exceed either range or speed of anything better than 802.11g.
Also, your download speed is limited to the speed of your internet provider.
Also, if you are going to add an Apple TV, syncing the Apple TV with iTunes via a wireless system is very slow. If you do add an Apple TV, you would be best connecting it to the mini via ethernet.
Apple TV has its own discussion form which is very informative.
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Setting up multiple speakers w/ Airport 802.11g/n
Hello..
I updated my Airport Express to the 802.11g/n model over the holidays and has set up a pair of wireless speakers via Airtunes.
I kept the older (pre 802.11g/n) AE as I was told that I could still hook up speakers to it via Airtunes.
So here is where I got stumped while setting the 2nd set speakers. I plug my older AE into the wall and the audio cable (from the 2nd set of speakers)
into the AE audio in port.
How do I get the wireless signal from the newer AE to read the older AE (where the 2nd set of speakers are plugged into) to channel music into a different
area of the home? I have a large studio size apt. with minimal interference.
Do I need to have another DSL line to run into the older AE so I can get the wireless signal to work for the 2nd set of speakers?
For some reason, I'm thinking this isn't necessary since I already have a wireless signal coming from the newer AE.
Any ideas as to what I may be missing here?
thanks as always in advance! ~A~Atcandela wrote:
So if I understand correctly, I would still plug in the older AE & audio cable, but have to set it up in
"client mode"?
Yes.
... My concern is that I won't be able to
to set up the older AE using the newer Airport Utility.
I'm guessing you've tested this before?
Yes. To administer your original Express, use AirPort Utility 5.6. It is compatible with Lion as well as Mountain Lion, however, the installer app will refuse to install it on Mountain Lion.
This dilemma is easily solved though. You simply need to extract the app from the installer package using a package extractor like Pacifist.
Download Pacifist here: http://www.charlessoft.com/
Download AirPort Utility 5.6 here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1482
If you happen to have an archived copy of the AU 5.6 app somewhere, such as a Time Machine backup or equivalent, you can simply restore it or drag the app to your Mountain Lion system's Utilities folder. It will run without complaint. It is only the package installer that is the problem.
Mountain Lion will not allow you to delete its existing version of AirPort Utility. Just ignore it. It and the older version (which will bear the unique name "AirPort Utility 5.6") can peacefully coexist.
Note: For those with Leopard or Snow Leopard systems you need AirPort Utility 5.6.1 (this is confusing - a later AirPort Utility version for an earlier OS X version - but it is correct).
Download AirPort Utility 5.6.1 here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1536 -
Airport 802.11g and WIFI issues with Apple bluetooth keyboard
Hey guys, this thing start to drive me crazy, I bought a Apple BT keyboard but just recently I started to having problems with my wifi connection and apparently I think this is due to the BT keys.
I started to notice this issue when I moving with the laptop in another room where usually I had maximum Airport signal, now it's happening that the signal start to lose power and when is just to the minimum, internet or other net staff don't work anymore and after 5 minutes of this apparently "freeze" wifi status, the airport loose definitely the signal.
After that I need to turn off the Airport card, most of the time work but sometimes i need to turn off two times to get it works.
After I read different blogs and forum, I tried to change channel, use the interference robustness, anything, and at the ending I reinstalled Leo, still have this problem, so I started to turn off the bluetooth connection and it look's like when the signal start to lose power the network keep working, and than reprise the maximum power.
So I can really fix this issue or is another "well done" by Apple? It look's like the Apple industry getting so close to the trash world! I'm sorry for these last words but my disappointed in Apple getting bigger.
Thank you for anyone helps.
P.S. a friend of mine with a Macbook Pro, Snow Leopard and my same Airport Base station have the same issue.GuyI just fixed for now the problem turning off the bluetooth keyboard when I have wifi issues, it's the only solutions!
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Connecting AX (802.11n) and AX (802.11g) to create WDS
Hello I'm currently trying to connect my new Airport Extreme (802.11n) to my old Airport (802.11g)
in the aim of extending my network. So I would like to have the 11n as my main.
and 11g as a remote I think?
can anybody give me a step by step on how I would go about this on Airport Utility?
I think my main problem is that my old Airport is connected to a different network.
KyleYou would need to configure the 802.11n AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) to operate in an 802.11g compatible mode. You would need to configure one AEBS to operate as a WDS main. You would need to configure the other AEBS to operate as a WDS remote (or relay). An Unfortunate side effect of WDS is that each link cuts your available wireless bandwidth in half. Therefore the maximum wireless bandwidth achievable is 1/2 the 802.11g rate.
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I'm trying to extend the range of an Airport Extreme 802.11g by adding an Airport Express 802.11n. I set the Express up to join the existing network, but it does not make any difference in the range of the network. What's wrong?
Let me see if I can help you with the basic WDS configuration steps:
Note: To help facilitate the setup, temporarily connect the AXn directly to the AEBS LAN port using an Ethernet cable. Once the setup is complete, you can move the AXn to the desired location. For all configuration steps you will be using the AirPort Utility. Before starting, be sure to jot down the AppleIDs for both base stations.
802.11g AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) Configuration
AirPort Utility > Select the AEBS > Manual Setup > Wireless tab
Wireless Mode: Participate in a WDS network
Manual Setup > WDS tab
WDS Mode: WDS main
Allow wireless clients (checked)
WDS Remotes: <enter the AppleID for the AXn here>
Click on Update and allow the base station to restart.
802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn) Configuration
AirPort Utility > Select the AXn > Manual Setup > Wireless tab
Wireless Mode: Participate in a WDS network (Note: You may have to hold down the Option (Mac) or Control (PC) key to see this option in the list.)
Manual Setup > WDS tab
WDS Mode: WDS remote
Allow wireless clients (checked)
WDS Main: <enter the AppleID for the AEBS here>
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Airport Express (Model with 802.11G +54MBPS Mac/PC and Set Up Issues
Hi,
We have a 4 Mac and 1 PC Household. Cable Internet Service by Roadrunner.Cable model (owned) connected to a D-Link 802.11G wi fi router (by ethernet from cable modem)in the family room , then out to a Imac (the half moon base and LCD screen with a airport card also in the family room and the closet computer to the D-Link
router, (we did add a D-Link antenna to the router ? about 10 months ago (a D-Link ANT24-0700 (Version 1.2)and a HP 4 in 1 printer attached via USB to the Imac
,a eMac 1.25 ghz 1Gb ram with airpot card also connected wirelessly (no printer attached on the same floor but in a ajoinging room about 20 feet from the Router, and another eMac 1.0 Ghz 1Gb ram with airport card in the upstairs part of our house (a bedroom) and no issue with Internet connection (it has a Epson 3in 1 printer attached via USB, and a MacBook Pro with 802.11N wireless card in side , bought for a Christmas/Birthday Present and also for college.It to has no issues with the Internet where ever it may be in the house. Our sole PC a HP tower with a added D-Link WDA -2320 Range Booster Desktop Adapter (802.11G) and we added a D-Link Antenna same model as the other a ANT24-0700 to help with Internet access which it did as well as adding some ram to increase page loading time etc. It does not have a printer attached. I will get to the Topic Area now
The Airport Express. I was not involved in the set-up as I was laid up due to a bad back and post major knee surgery , But I always (especially recently) wondered why the light was amber and blinking. I read through the manual and also
Apple.com support and MacFixit.com (which is under construction and moved to part of Cnet.com)and then went to the Airport Express Discussion area (sorry for being so wordy) I need a Twitter account to post!) We have a network name for the D-Link and the computers all were added and it also supports a Xbox 360, a Sony PlayStation 3 and a Nintendo Wi (in online use without issue) but..
A network was also as it appears to myself) for the Airport Express and under the half moon bars showing connection strenght (there is our D-Link network "phoenix" with security protection WPA2 I believe) as I have set up the router, We had a Apple Base station prior that was ? 802.11B (a half moon white unit) still have it in the box ) So for normal daily use, checking e-mail and internet use all of the computers use the "phoenix" or D-Link supported Router 802.11G
and The other network calld Apple Network with numbers and letters after it (and hopefully security) password is unknown , The Airport Express is set up connected via USB to a HP B&W laser printer which has saved quite a bit of money on ink, To utilize that printer you must switch from "phoenix" The D-Link router network to the Apple Network (followed by letters and numbers) The Imac and the eMac in the family room and a ajoing room (after switching to the Apple Network
can than print to the lasr printer. The eMac upstairs and the HP Windows XP Professional software can not print to the laser printer (yet the HP PC shows it as a individual network and a strong signal, equal to the Internet connection from the D-Link, and the eMac (after switching under the half moon (not the proper name I am sure) to get to the Apple Network to print , it will not print, yet it shows a 5 bar signal, same as the D-Link connection. I do believe we have two seperate networks (but do not understand why the two Mac's in the family room can print to the laser printer by simply switching networks and then file and print. ** One other 9probaly major item is that it states to set up the Airport Express with a Mac With OSX 10.4 or later (at the time of set up, we had the Imac and two eMac's all running Panther OSX 10.3.9 9which they continue to have installed) We obtained the HP Tower and Monitor and HP 4in 1 printer ust before Christmas in 2008 and the MacBook Pro in Mid December 2009 (current model and running Snow Leopard 10.6. The HP Tower runs Windows Xp Professional (Service Pack 3) so the MacBook Pro which is much more mobile , could be used to do the set-up, or the HP Tower coulf be moved temprarily, I do recall if Router changes (at least with The D-Link You need to be connected by Ethernet to the Mac
that would be doing the set up/configuration of the router (and it runs OSX 10.3.9 and is a older Mac (with 80Gb Hard drive that is partioned for OS9 and OSX as well , it is under a Ghz processor wise and less than 1 Gb of ram as the last ram slot required a seal to be broken and 256mb of ram (?) could be added
it has 768 mb of ram but knock on wood running well. We use Lacie external drives
on the Imac and both eMac's and need to get external drives for the HP PC as well as the Mac Book Pro (15" screen)
I apoogize if I repeated myself, and rambled but I wanted to (in one post) to explain our set up and network configuration
Questions
1) if indeed it is that the two networks is true and a set yp that is not correct
can the Airport Express be configured without opening up the router (when ever that happens it seems one computer is unable to get online and each time its a differnt one a Mac or veen the PC
The PC under My Computer and Networks clearly shows the wto distinct and seperate netwoks with strong signals and the distance is not far (it is through a floor as the other emac and the PC are upstairs and cabling by ethernet is not a option
2) If I need to open the router would I add the Airport Express as a client as if it was one of the computers or gaming systems on the network? (adding the Mac adress or IP address (not sure how you find the Mac address) and its been while since the router was opened up for any additions or work on it.
3) would it be on the same channel as the router or not ?
4) Hopefully with proper configuration the light will stay on (and green) on the A/E and the eMac and HP PC will be able to print to the laser printer. Currentlt
when anything needs printed from the PC its put on a Flasg Drive and plugged in tothe Imac and the the Apple Network is selected and data printed, The eMac upstairs has the option of using the attached Epson 3 in one or doing the Flash stick work around.
I would be verya appreciative if some one took a look at the set up above and advised me of what is right, what is not right* and what to do to fix things up
I would imagine after proper set up, delete the Apple Network from the PC and eMac upstairs and ? all of the computers as we should have one base station (the D-link and the spoke (the A/E connected by UBS to the A/E (it may be ethernet but the cable connection from the A/E to the HP laser printer is correct (the rest of the A/E set up ... Please , tell me where it is and where it should be
and ? any idea why we can print to the laser printer down stairs and not up stairs ? it did mention printer set up with Panther as possible, page 43 of themanual we have un chaper 5 Tips and Troubleshooting (under whn your printer isn't responding) (we do not have the interfereance listed in the manual,
our phones are land line, one 900 mghz and the others 5.8 ghz
It is possible to move the A/E and laser printer if that would help the two computers (desktops) upstairs) bt the distance is way less than 150 but their is a floor and ? duct work (metal ) but I think here is a place to stop typing and let some of the experts on the discussion forums take a look.
one lst note (as the lap top will be going off to college in the fall (runnning Snow Leopard, and the other 3 Mac's run Panther OSX 10.3.9 should the HP PC windows Xp Professional be the computer to set up the air port express and the Airport Utility proram installed & would this conflict with the current Router (set up by a Macc running OSX 10.3.9 (Panther) i.e (should both set ups be on the same computer?) but actually aThe D-Link is OSX10.3.9 compatible (and 802.11G) and set up requires ethernet connection to a Mac (You type in the numbers and . etc and password as administror and you are in, or should the admin be on the same cpmpuer for the router and A/E ?
(and considering a Airport Extreme Base Station as well as dual frequency simulataneus and 802.11N (for the laptop now) and future, or wait. The 802.11
in theory would broadcast farther..?? even if computers had 802.11b(our Mac Desk tops and the PC 802.11B card
Thanks Again!!!
Many, Many Thanks
amnienttalesWilliam Boyd Jr.
Hello again,
D-Link Router is model DGL-4300 (along with a D-Link ANT24-0700 Omnidirectional
7dbi Antenna . Our Cable Internet ISP (Roadrunner) provides consumers with dynamic ISP address's . All Mac's have Airport Cards and The Hp Tower XW4550 has a D-Link Rangebooster G Desktop Adapter WDA-2320 (also with a D-Link ANT24-0700 Omnidirectional 7 dbi Antenna (the PC OS is Win XP Pro Service Pack 3) The 3 desktop Mac's run OSX Panther 10.3.9 , The 15" MacBook Pro OS is OSX 10.6 Snow
Leopard (not sure what is after the .6 (right now) D-Link's website is
http://www.dlink.com , I have configured this router multiple times in the past.
also added as clients on the network (Utilizing the D-Link Router) are a X-Box 360, Sony Play Station PS3, and a Nintendo Wii all of which have on line ability
and enables online video game play with any one online.
As mentioned prior the Airport Port Express is Model A1084 Part No. M9447OLL/A
which is USB conected to a HP LaseJet B&W , model 1020 and some how the two computers near it can switch to the Airport Express Network from the D-Link Router based Network and print wirelessly to the A/E connected LaserJetPrinter
I realize I will need to reconfigure the D-Link Router and add the A/E as a client. I will try first to use the Airport Utility and see if I can do anything
Utilizing it (adding it to the D-Link network, I think its unlikely but worth a try but* the password is unknown but I have a few guess's as to what it may be.
I do have the necessary admin and network paswwords to cconfigure the D-Link Router,
1) * If the the A/E Utility experiment fails and I need to re-configure the router * do I need to (as per the Airport Express Set Up Guide (Use a Mac with OSX 10.4 or later or a PC with Win Xp Home or Professional (have a desk top PC that has the specs) and The Mac Book Pro meets the Mac Spec's)
If I can not get a password to work on the A/E I would reset it using the reset button
And before plugging in the A/E , connect the appropraite cables in our case a USB cable to the LaserJet Printer then plug in the A/E
2) I would then connect by Ethernet from Either the Mac Laptop or The PC to the D-Link router (if not the router will not set-up correctly)
3) The one question that puzzles me is that we are not using the A/E as a base
but a client
in two sections(Using Airport Express , connecting a Printer via USB
and use Airprt Utility to create a new network or join a new newWireless computers using Mac OSX 10.2.7 (Tiger) or later or a PC with Windows XP and it then goes in to the steps of ising the printer for both a Mac and a PC (using Bonjour on the CD that came with the A/E (this appears to contradict needing to use Mac OSx 10.4 or a PC with Win Xp set the A/E up for use as a printer
(joiing a new network or existig one)
And in Chapter 5 Tips and Roubleshooting= Your Airport Express Status Light Flashes amber & Your Printer is not responding (it is flashing amber and the printer does not respond to the two computers upsstairs (one Mac running OSX 10.3.9 & One PC running WinXp and its states to make sure the printer is selected
in the Printer list o client computers, to do this on a Mac using OSX 10.3 or later , open Printer Set Up Utility and follow steps and if a PC with Windows XP , Open Printers and faxes and then follow steps
in Closing ? can I configure the A/E Utility with a Mac using 10.3.9 as above or
? Per Chapter 1 Getting Started use a Mac with OSX 10.4 or later or a PC with Windows Xp Home or Professional
Perhaps I am taking the tips and trouble shooting and Printer Set up out of context or does the getting Started Computer specs contradict them or are they
for use if the A/E was going to be a Base Station and not a client..
Will keep at it,
ambienttales -
Is the new 2x range limited by 802.11g?
The new Airport Extreme adverts that it has 2x the range of the older Extreme and a faster speed. If I have an 802.11g machine, I understand that the speed may not be there on the network, but does the 2x range apply to my network?
G5 PowerMac Mac OS X (10.4.8)Generally to take advantage of the extended range of 802.11n, the clients must also be running 802.11n adapters.
In other words, though the 802.11n router offers greater range this is only for computers which support 802.11n. Those computers with 802.11g will not be able to benefit from the greater range.
Netgear also claims that the range of ordinary 802.11b and 802.11g clients can be improved up to 20% when using their 802.11n routers, but I suspect that in real life this will be about 10%.
People in this forum have reported an improvement in range.
Leo Laporte also reported something similar with his new Airport Extreme.
Of course 20% is a lot less than 100% (2x).
iFelix -
Airport Express 802.11n joining existing Aiport Extreme 802.11g network
We added an Airport Express to support Airtunes on a stereo system to an existing Airport Extreme 802.11g network. The original Extreme had an antenna to extend its range as well. The problem we are having is that the connection from an iMac keeps going up and down. Is there an issue using WDS between Airport units that are of different speeds? Any thoughts on why this might be doing this and how we can get it to operate stably again as it was with just the old Airport Extreme.
I am concerned with the speed being reduced by half per node. Do you mean if I had three access points in a WDS network the speed would be half or does it reduce to one third?
Also, I want to point out in the latest manual, WDS does support 802.11n and mixed, including wide channel, which may over come being halfed but not further reductions.
http://manuals.info.apple.com/enUS/Designing_AirPort_Networks10.5-Windows.pdf
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Setting Up a Wireless Distribution System (WDS)
When you connect devices wirelessly in a WDS, you set up each device as
either a main, a remote, or a relay device.
You can connect AirPort Extreme 802.11n Base Stations or Time Capsules and use the
5 GHz frequency band in the network. Only client computers that have 802.11n wireless
cards installed can join the network. If you want client computers using 802.11b or
802.11g wireless cards to join the network, set up the network using the 2.4 GHz
frequency band, or add 802.11g AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express to the network. See
“Choosing the Radio Mode” on page 21 for information about setting the frequency
band of the network. You can also set up a dual-band network that utilizes both the
2.4 GHz and 5 GHz frequency bands, so client computers using 802.11n wireless cards
can join the 5 GHz segment of the network, and computers using 802.11b or 802.11g
wireless cards can join the 2.4 GHz segment. See “Setting up a Dual-Band (2.4 GHz and
5 GHz) Network” on page 48.
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AirPort Express 802.11g and WDS
The other evening I spent two hours unsuccessfully trying to add an AirPort Express 802.11g as a WDS remote station to an existing AirPort network hosted by an 802.11g AirPort Extreme. The computer was using Mac OS X 10.5.4 and AirPort Utility 5.3.2. I believe both AirPort units have the latest firmware.
I've been able to do this in the past elsewhere, but it seems like every time I try this, I'm successful despite my efforts instead of because of them.
The AirPort Express Setup Guide 5.1 (http://manuals.info.apple.com/enUS/AirPort_Express_SetupGuide5.1.pdf) doesn't offer much help: "Open AirPort Utility and follow the onscreen instructions to extend the range of your AirPort Extreme or AirPort Express network."
Apple's online support doesn't help much either. This knowledge base article (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2044) discusses the AirPort Admin Utility, not the AirPort Utility. The feature to "auto configure as a WDS remote base station" that seemed to make this so easy with AirPort Admin Utility had is gone from AirPort Utility.
Can anyone offer any advice about how to make this work? I've stumbled across some advice like making sure that the channel numbers are the same on both stations, but it would be nice if some Apple document had the computer story in one place. It would be even nicer if AirPort Utility had the same "auto configure" feature that the AirPort Admin Utility had.
Thanks for any advice.I realized days later that I already had the information I needed. The electronic book "Take Control of Your 802.11n AirPort Extreme Network" (from http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/airport-n.html ), which I already owned, notes that the following items much be set the same on both AirPort stations:
- radio mode
- channel
- base station password
- wireless security method
- wireless password
I think my problem is that one station was set to a specific channel while the other was set to the default choice of "automatic". -
I connect to the internet using a Verizon FIOS router, 802.11g. The brand name is Actiontec MI424-Rev. D. I stream music from my MacBook Pro and/or iPhone and use an Airport Express to connect to my stereo receiver, which is wired to in-wall speakers. The streaming experience is pretty uneven. The Apple Store recommended an Airport Extreme to beef up the network. Note: this is an average Manhattan apartment, not a vast mansion, but there is lots of interference due to a couple dozen other wireless networks in my building. Which is the best way to set up the network for more robust streaming and fewer dropouts?
Ok, then let's start with the following as the basic configuration of your "single" wireless network.
The Actiontec will be the main Internet router; no configuration changes would be required.
Connect the 802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBSn) directly to the Actiontec router by Ethernet; reconfigure the AEBSn as a bridge, and also, reconfigure the AEBSn as the "main" base station in the extended wireless network.
Connect the 802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn), by wireless to the AEBSn. Configure the AXn to extend the wireless range of the AEBSn.
The following are step-by-step instructions on configuring the AirPorts for an extended network:
Dynamic WDS - Extending a Wireless Network Setup
Temporarily connect the AXn directly to one of the available LAN ports on the AEBSn during the setup phase. Once completed, disconnect the AXn and place it at the desired location.
Open AirPort Utility, and then, select the AEBSn.
Choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu. Enter the base station password if necessary.
Click Internet in the toolbar, and then, click on the Internet Connection tab. Change Connection Sharing to "Off (Bridge Mode)."
Click AirPort in the toolbar, and then, click on the Wireless tab.
Choose “Create a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then, select the “Allow this network to be extended” checkbox.
Next, select the AXn, and then, choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu. Enter the base station password if necessary.
Choose “Extend a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then, choose the network you want to extend from the Network Name pop-up menu.
Enter the base station network and base station password if necessary.
Click Update to update the base station with new network settings.
(ref: Pages 43-44 of Apple AirPort Networks.)
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Airport Drives Me CRAZY! New 802.11n Network Slower Than Old 802.11g/b
I've been using Macs since 1988 and consider myself an advanced user. However, every time I setup a new Airport wireless network or re-configure an existing one, I feel like a helpless newbie trying to figure out how to open a folder on my desktop. No matter how many times I read the manual or the help files or these forums, I can never grasp what seems like it should be a simple path from A to B to C.
Anyway, here's my current situation: I've been successfully (I think) running a 6 year old AP Extreme Base Station [AE] (in my home office addition) and 2 Airport Expresses [AX] (one AX roughly 15 feet from the base station--through sheetrock, and the second AX roughly 30 feet from the first AX--through sheetrock and some wooden stairs. (so roughly 45 feet from AE to 2nd AX). It wasn't the speediest thing going but it did the trick with older Macs.
I recently bought a MacBook Pro which supports 802.11n. I most often use this laptop at the point in the house furthest away from the AE (Base Station) The AE (Base Station) is in my home office connected to my MacPro desktop (see #1 below). In addition, the family iMac is also in that room furthest from the AE. Using the new MacBook Pro with the old 802.11/g/b network turned out to be painfully slow. I was experiencing the same slow network connection my family has complained about for years with their older Macs and 802.11g/b.
I decided it was time to upgrade the whole network, if only to speed up my MacBook Pro connection. Bought new 802.11n Airport Extreme (MC340LL/A) and 2 new 802.11n Airport Expresses (MB321LL/A). Setup did not go smoothly. Again, my normally competent Mac persona was reduced to a babbling three-year-old. Had three different Apple techs on the phone trying to help me through it. Got different, contradictory instructions from the last two. Finally got all three units working, only to find that not only does my MacBook Pro seem even more sluggish than when connected to the old 802.11g/b network, but my wife tells me web pages are taking at least twice as long to load as with the old network.
As concisely as I can lay this out:
*1. Airport Extreme (Base Station)*
Connected via Ethernet from its WAN port to my Comcast cable modem. One Ethernet (LAN) port on that AE is then connected via Ethernet to my Netgear 8-port Ethernet switch. Ethernet from switch to Ethernet port 1 on my MacPro. (MacPro does NOT have an Airport card because I forgot to order one. Also I confirmed that this setup was functional by connecting to the AE wirelessly with my MacBook Pro showing the name I'd given the new network prior to adding the two AX's to the mix).
Some Airport Extreme settings of note (all accessed via "Manual Setup" button):
Airport Tab > Summary
Version 7.5.1
Wireless Mode: Create a wireless network
Channel: 149 (Automatic), 1 (Automatic)
Wireless Clients: 3
Airport Tab > Base Station:
Allow Setup over WAN: Unchecked
Airport Tab > Wireless:
Allow this network to be extended: Checked
Airport Tab > Guest Network:
Nothing checked
Airport Tab > Access Control:
MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled
Internet Tab > Internet Connection:
Connect Using: Ethernet
Ethernet WAN Port: Automatic (Default)
Connection Sharing: Share a public IP address [Think this one is probably wrong]
Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
Internet Tab > DHCP:
Shows Beginning & Ending Address
Internet Tab > NAT:
Enable default host at: Unchecked and blank field
Enable NAT Port Mapping Protocol: Checked
Internet Tab > Advanced
Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
*2. Airport Express #1: Living Room Express (Closest to AE (Base Station)*
Airport Tab > Summary
Version 7.4.2
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Connect using: Wireless Network
Channel: 1 (Automatic)
Wireless Clients: 1
Airport Tab > Base Station:
Allow Setup over the Internet using Bonjour: Unchecked
Airport Tab > Wireless:
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Allow wireless clients: checked
Airport Tab > Access Control:
MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled
Internet Tab > Internet Connection:
Connect using: Greyed-out, not selectable
Connection sharing: Greyed-out, not selectable
Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
Shows IP Address
Internet Tab > Advanced
Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
*3. Airport Express #2: Dining Room Express (Furthest from AE (Base Station)*
Airport Tab > Summary
Version 7.4.2
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Connect using: Wireless Network
Channel: 1 (Automatic)
Wireless Clients: 2
Airport Tab > Base Station:
Allow Setup over the Internet using Bonjour: Unchecked
Airport Tab > Wireless:
Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
Allow wireless clients: checked
Airport Tab > Access Control:
MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled
Internet Tab > Internet Connection:
Connect using: Greyed-out, not selectable
Connection sharing: Greyed-out, not selectable
Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
Shows IP Address
Internet Tab > Advanced
Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
SETUP/GOALS:
With Airport Extreme (Base Station) as the starting point, have the two Airport Express units with the strongest, fastest signal possible, provide Internet access (and file sharing, iTunes speakers capability) to three Macs (one older iMac, one older PowerBook and my new MacBookPro). Again, I believe my new MacBook Pro is the only one with 802.11n support, so I don't expect the other Macs to take advantage of the speed boost offered by the three new 802.11n devices.
+Any and all help with this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!+{quote}With the AirPort Extreme, in the AirPort panel, Wireless tab, click on the button for "Wireless Network Options", check the box for "5 GHz Network Name", and enter a different network name. (That can be trivially different, such as the name of the main network suffixed with an underscore and the digit 5.) Once configured that way, connect your "N" gear to each network in turn to see if one is any better than the other. (If you're wondering what effect this would have, it allows segregating your "N" gear from the older gear to prevent the older gear from slowing down your network. However, distance and interference from things like walls may negate any advantage.){quote}
William: I was gone most of yesterday, but had a chance to implement your recommendations today. I added the 5 GHz network as you suggested, but in order to connect to that at all with my 802.n11 MacBokk Pro, I need to be within a few feet of the AE (base station). If I try to access that network even from the next room (well within reach of both the AE and the livingroom AX, I get one bar and "failure to connect" messages just trying to logon to that network.
However, I did some experimenting that (as of right now, anyway) resulted in much faster network access, not only from my MacBook, but also from the older iMac which is the furthest Mac from the AE. According to my wife, that iMac is "loading web pages faster than I've ever seen them!"
Here's what I did:
1. Moved all three units to places where it seemed they would have the least amount of interference with the clearest path from unit to unit, also raising the height of both AXs from about 2-3 feet from the floor to about 5-6 feet from the floor.
2. Changed one setting on the AE (base station): Wireless Tab > Wireless Network Options > Multicast Rate ---> Changed this from Low to High.
I have a feeling the location shifts made the real difference, but I will try changing the multicast rate back to "Low" just to see what happens.
Paul -
How many users or devices does an old 802.11g airport express support?
I've got three old 802.11g airport expresses that make up my home network. One is my base station hooked to my cable modem. the second I used as accss point for my satellite tv box. The third is hooked up to my stereo. I have an ipad, macbook, PC and a doogle plugged into my flat panel tv. I usually don't have my mac and PC on at the same time but I have lately and I lose the network connection on both machines. I can't reconnect on either machine. My base station goes yellow so I unplug it a few minutes and plug it back in. Then everything is find if I only have one machine. I assume my trouble comes from trying to put too many devices on the network, right? If I buy a new airport extreme, will it work with my old airport expresses? Or what's the solution to my network problem? Thanks.
Hi - first of all is the base station solid yellow or blinking yellow - if it is solid then there is an electrical problem - if it is blinking then there should be an error message in the Airport Utility - each Express can handle 10 wireless clients - the base station can administer 199 internal IP addresses so I don't that the number of users is an issue - it sounds like a connection conflict - however to address you second question, you are using old technology with new technology now - so to use a new Extreme with old Expresses would be defeating your purpose - in my opinion instead you should get 3 new Expresses - $99x3 and you would be getting a fast new system - or $180 for a new Extreme and still have a slow system - but if you want 3 gigabit ports and the ability to connect a hard drive in a base station then an Extreme and 2 Expresses is the ideal solution - and I fully understand the economics involved so the choice is yours - if I have caused you to have more questions, please ask.
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Airport Extreme 802.11g base station loses internet connection often
I just installed an Airport Extreme base station (802.11g version Apple Base Station V5.7) last week. And it keeps dropping my internet connection at least once a day.
I simply replaced an old SMC Barricade wireless router that died (and was a POS). But I only had to reset the SMC about once every 2 months. Nothing else has changed in my setup. Only the router/base station is different.
The wireless part is fine. Even when the internet connection gets dropped the hard wired AND wireless clients can still access the local network. Reseting the DSL modem has no effect. The only solution is to power cycle (unplug and plug back in) the AEBS OR restart it from Airport Admin utility.
But you can't do that from offsite. When the AEBS drops the internet connection I can't access my office network from home!
Is there a place in Airport Admin Utility which tells you the status of your internet connection like most generic wireless routers with web-based software do?
Any ideas on resolving this?
Thanks"Any ideas on resolving this?"
Looter,
Based on your description, open AirPort Admin Utility and check the configuration of your main base station on the "Internet" pane. If you're using ethernet cable from the modem to the base station, the top selector [Connect Using:] should show "Ethernet" and the second selector [Configure:] should show "Using DHCP"
Also, check your iMac's System Preferences>Network at "Show: AirPort" and check the PPPoE pane which should show no entries (unless your isp requires its use), and the TCP/IP pane which should show "Configure IPv4:" as being "Using DHCP" - while all other info is filled in automatically.
"Is there a place in Airport Admin Utility which tells you the status of your internet connection like most generic wireless routers with web-based software do?"
No, the AirPort Admin Utility is not web-based, only located on your computer with the information available to it necessary to operate the AirPort system. It does not actually administer the signal. I think that is done only by System Preferences>Network.
"I'm actually referring to the Airport Express base station not my MacBook Pro's wireless connection. Is there anywhere in the Airport Admin Utility software that tells you the status of the AEBS' internet connection NOT the wireless connection."
No, that info is not available in that utility. The information you seek is at System Preferences>Network, but only after the system scans for it. Click the "Assist me..." button and then, on the "Do you need assistance setting up a new network connection or solving a network problem?" panel that opens, click the "Diagnostics..." button. A "Network Diagnostics" panel will then open and if its scan shows there is no internet the lights to the left of "Internet" and "Server" will be yellow instead of green. Meanwhile, it continues scanning for the connection until it is re-established. I determined this by pulling my cable from the phone jack, later reinserting it.
Further information that may be helpful to you can undoubtedly be found in threads such as this other one:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=884049&tstart=0
edit-
In re-reading, I may not have given you what you need. It sounds as if you may be "timing out" somehow on your connection. You might want to check around at some of your log-on settings to see if there is that possibility connected to one of them, even though the only thing I can think of is the "Renew DHCP Lease" button which is unknown to me, as I've never used it.
Message was edited by: myhighway -
Xbox 360, My Airport Express 802.11g, and my ever more looming suicide...
I hate working on networks, especially when it comes to making Xboxs work on em. But Im a slave to live and I MUST have it. Now I have connected flawlessly to linksys routers, but this Airport is making want to take my cranium and bash it into the sidewalk until the blood drains from my skull, resulting in my inevitable and permanent resting state. So it goes...
Ok, I'm not going to kill myself, but christ will someone help me out here?
Heres what I got on the Network screen
IP- 10.0.1.2
Subnet- 255.255.255.0
Router/Gateway/Whatever- 10.0.1.1
DHCP- is set to automatic
I have 2 Macbooks connected to this router, they work fine, as well as 2 iPod touches
On the Xbox360
-IP set to automatic, given 169.254.100.112, I assume this was assigned by the router, but this makes no sense because when I run diagnostics I get IP Address Failed. THIS IS THE MAJOR ISSUE IM ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW... But I assume DNS is gonna fail even if I get IP going. I could use all the help I can get y'all.
Subnet- 255.255.255.0
Gateway- 10.0.1.1
DNS- 10.0.1.1
Wireless mode 802.11g
Network- vargas
Network type- Infrastructure Channel 1
Security WEP.
I hate life.
This is not working. I have called my genius bloody uncle, and even he seemed stunned at the matter. This is ridiculous... I hate it so much. Hours I've wasted for nothing. Someone, anyone, if youre reading this and you think you can help, please, please...Added note, I'm running tiger OS X 10.4.11. I think I have an airport express, its my step dads. I think. I wanna say I wanna manually assign IP to something like 10.0.1.10 but I already tried that. To no avail. I've tried restarting the router and xbox and nothing really works.
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Trying to set up 2 Airport Extremes to replace my old 802.11g pair.
Hello...
I am trying to set up my extended Airport Extreme network with new Extremes to replace my older 802.11g pair.
Here is the situation: I have Cable 'net access that comes into my studio. It is then wired to the "Studio Extreme" into the WAN port. Then there is an Ethernet wire from the Ethernet port to a hub, which is wired through the wall to hub 2, that goes apx 500ft via CAT6 to my house. Then there is another hub that wires all the Ethernet ports in the walls of the house. Out of one port is AirPort Extreme # 2.
The Problem:
My old AirportExtreme #2 works fine. The new one won't play nice.
The Studio Airport is set to: Create A Wireless Network with WPA2 Personal security. It is happy with a green light.
The New AirportExtreme 802.11n is set to: Extend a wireless network with WPA2 Personal Security. It says Connect using: Wireless network.
I have tried to set it up with the Ethernet cable going into the WAN port, and the Ethernet port. When it is in the WAN port, it says "nothing is in the WAN port". When it is in the Ethernet port, it says It can't find the network. I have tried unplugging everything and turning it back on, in reverse order etc. When I bring the New Extreme #2 to the studio, it plays nice, but I suspect it is working wirelessly with the Studio Extreme. (?).
I have tried to set it to "Create a wireless network" as I have seen suggested in some forums. Still doesn't make it happy.
I also tried to let the software " replace the old Airport with the new Airport" . that didn't work either.
The Old Extreme 802.11g still works and is happy also. Its cable is plugged into the Ethernet port and it transmits throughout the house.
I am going nuts trying to get this to work! Why does the old one work and not the new one?
HELP!!!!
Thank you!You got ahead of things here (and chose the wrong settings), but we can correct things.
Reset the AirPort Extreme again, please.
Then open AirPort Utility, select the AirPort Extreme, and click Manual Setup.
Click the Base Station tab under the row if icons to name the AirPort Extreme, assign a device password and adjust Time Zone settings.
Now, click the Wireless tab next to the Base Station tab and adjust settings as follows:
Wireless Mode = Create a wireless network (Extend is used only if you connect using wireless...and you are connecting using Ethernet)
Wireless Network = Same name as your "main" AirPort Extreme
Enter a check mark next to Allow this network to be extended
Radio Mode = Automatic
Radio Channel = Automatic
Wireless Security = Same setting as the "main" AirPort Extreme
Wireless Password = Same password as the "main" AirPort Extreme
Confirm Password
Click the Internet icon, then click the Internet Connection tab
Connect Using = Ethernet
Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)
Click Update and wait 25-30 seconds for a green light
Very Important......Power off the entire network and wait a minute or two
Power up the modem first and let it run a minute by itself
Power up the "main" AirPort Extreme the same way
Power up the "remote" AirPort Extreme the same way
Continue powering up devices one at a time until everything is powered up
The network should now be functioning correctly.
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