Airport Express als WDS

Hello
I have already Airport Extreme. Since my apartment has two floors I tought to "extend" my wireless network and to make it "stronger". For that I was told that that I need Airport Express.
Which setting do I need in order to make this work? Thanks very much

zlatan.moranjkic, Welcome to the discussion area!
If both the AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) and AirPort Express (AX) are 802.11n capable, you would configure the AEBS to allow itself to be extended. The AX would be configured to extend an existing wireless network.
If either the AEBS or AX are not 802.11n capable, you would configure the AEBS to act as a WDS main base station and configure the AX to act as a WDS remote base station. Unfortunately each WDS link cuts your available wireless bandwidth in half.

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Ist es möglich ein Airport Express als WLAN-Repeater mit einer FritzBox 3390 als Basisstation zu verbinden?
Kann die Airport Express auch über LAN-Kabel mit der FritzBox verbinden, so daß ein einheitliches Netz (z.B. 192.168.10.*) entsteht? Und falls ja, ist die Verbindung über den WAN-Anschluß oder einen LAN-Anschluß der Airport Express herzustellen.

Ja, Sie können die AirPort Express als Repeater für die FritzBox verwenden, indem Sie die beiden mit einem Ethernet-Kabel. Verbinden Sie das Kabel mit dem WAN (Kreis Punkte) Anschluss auf der Express. Dann konfigurieren Sie beide Router für ein Roaming-Netz.

XP with AirPort Express and WDS ... works brilliant!!! Read how to ...

I have worked out an interesting setup which uses max. power of AE with my 3Com Router, Dell and Denon AVR-4306.
It took some hours of testing and finding the right configs, which was a pain in my brain. But now: YEEEHAAA!
My home setup is:
- AirPort Express 6.3
- 3Com OfficeConnect Model 3CRWDR100B-72
IMPORTANT: IT SUPPORTS WDS!!!
- Dell Inspiron 9300 with WLAN
- Epson Stylus Color 740
- DENON AVR-4306 [Receiver with Ethernet connection]
Till yesterday I used AE as a client which turns off the ethernet port. And I had a router without WDS support. AND: I had those audio drop outs which made no fun.
The new configuration at the end is not such complicated.
AE is connected by WDS to my router, by Toslink and ethernet cable to my receiver. A printer by USB of course.
Now I am able to:
- WLAN stream AAC by Dell with AirTunes through AE to my receiver
- WLAN printing
- WLAN config of my receiver and internet radio streaming
- write that posting by WLAN and DSL ... STRIKE!
AND THE BEST: NO AUDIO DROP OUTS ANYMORE!!!
The configuration:
I will not discribe the WLAN setup between my Dell and 3Com in all details because this should be a basic knowledge.
First I configure router and Dell with WEP. I didn't test WPA with WDS yet. I set the router to my ISP settings to get connection to DSL. The router config by webbrowser is not complex. This is done by the shipped manual. DHCP turned on etc..
Next step I will setup my DELL for WLAN connection to the router. My router eg. just uses WEP HEX. I can use a ASCII passphrase but this will be converted to HEX. What's now important: I had to use HEX also for DELL WLAN config and AE WITHOUT "$" before the key what's often discribed in the web. Otherwise AE config will give an error message and ASCII will prevent connection by WEP. I set my DELL to IP by DHCP. I use the same ISSD of the router and set WEP. The first setup was done by ethernet cable which is discribed in my manual. After all steps I turned off LAN and am able to connect to WLAN DSL.
Now the important part:
I configured the router after config and restart of AE again. The router MUST SUPPORT WDS!!! Otherwise my config will not work. In my 3Com config I turn on WDS and scan for AE when it is set up right. This will grab the right MAC address automatically. But it's also possible to set the AE MAC manually and then:
I will do a AE reset by holding down the reset button till the yellow light flashes fast. This will set the AE to basic settings. After a while you will recognize the AE's factory name in your WLAN network list on your PC where you also see your router WLAN connection.
Now drop the router connection by connecting to AE which is unprotected.
Open the AirPort Admin Utility.
Choose the factory AE name.
Open the config.
Change the password of your AE which is basic "public" to the SAME of your router.
Choose „AirPort“ and set „Wireless Mode“ to „Create a Wireless Network“.
Eg. I use for „Network Name“: „DELL9300“ which matches with the SSID of the router.
Set „Channel“ to „1“ [it seems most robust here].
Set „Wireless Security“ with WEP. In my case I have to use the router's HEX key.
On page „Internet“ set „Connect using“ to „AirPort (WDS)“.
The „MAC Address“ MUST be the MAC address of the WLAN router, BUT THE WLAN ADDRESS ... NOT LAN ADDRESS!!!
[this was one trap and time killer because I just tried to use the printed MAC address on my routers label which is WRONG because there's a WLAN MAC ADDRESS I found by accident in my router's config overview]
Activate „Also allow wireless client computers“.
I use a static IP:
IP 192.168.1.200
Subnet 255.255.255.0
Router 192.168.1.1
DNS 192.168.1.1
On page “Network” activate “Distribute IP addresses”.
On page „WDS“ set to „remote base station“.
Activate „Allow wireless client computers“.
You will recognize here that the WLAN MAC address was copied automatically.
On page "Music" activate AirTunes and define a name. In my case "DENON".
Save the config to harddrive and then save it to AE.
AE will restart automatically.
NOW PRAY! If everything is done right you will reconnect your PC to the router [automatically because AE is dropped or try manually] and after a while the AE lamp shows "green".
The full power of AE is unlocked and ... actually ... AirTunes still plays without drop outs. GREAT! This could also be router related or WDS works generally better than client mode.
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The 802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn) can be configured in a number of ways when the topic is around extending.
If you just want to support wired clients, you can configure the AXn as a wireless Ethernet bridge. In this configuration, the AXn would "join" an existing wireless network and share that connection via its Ethernet port.
The other option is to configure the AXn to extend another AirPort. In this configuration, the AXn would both extend the other AirPort's wireless range, but it would also have its Ethernet port enabled for wired clients.

Setting Up a Three Station (Multiple AirPort Express Units) WDS Network

For a mission project in Northern Ireland, I am trying to connect three Airport Express units into a single wireless system. The mission group is located in an old building with thick walls, so the wireless signal needs to be "repeated." I need help on the basics of setting up all three AX units in a series. One will be located in an office on the ground floor an act as the main base station with an ethernet connection. (The mission has a cable modem/router with an independent line in the ofice that is connected directly to the AX unit in the office.) The second will need to act as a relay base station(it will be on the second floor of the building, but in range of the main base station) and the third as a remote base station down a hall on the second floor. In an initial setup, I was unable to have the main base station unit show up on the list of base statios when I did a scan in the AirPort Admin Utility.
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Time Capsule --- Airport extreme ---- 2 airport express en wds

Hi,
I created a wds network for my house.
I set the timecapsule as the main base and set the aiport extreme and two airport express as remote.
My problem is that everything is working well except for the second airport express. I checked everything and the second airport express is set exactly like the first one and each ones is listed in the main one.... So why it is not working for the second one? Is there a maximum of remote airport express allowed as remote base stations??
Thanks in advance

Hello, catburlow.
If I understand correctly, your network setup is like this:
Internet <---wired---> Time Capsule <~~~WiFi~~~> Extreme <~~~WiFi~~~> Express #1 <~~~WiFi~~~> Express #2
…where Express #2 is wirelessly connected to Express #1, not to the Extreme. Is this correct?
If so, you may need to set up the first AirPort Express as a relay instead of a remote.
Also, if all your AirPorts support 802.11n, there's a much easier alternative to WDS:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=AirPortUtility/5.1/en/ap2124.html

Airport extreme 802.11n plus airport express as wds

hi,
with my new mb air i´ll want to upgrade to airport extreme and 802.11n. right now i´m using airport express which i´d like to keep as it supports airtunes. my idea is to make a wds network and use the express station as a range extender. now i´m wondering if i get any performance problems because the extreme station is "n". i´m afraid the whole network could run in 802.11b/g?!
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OrthoProf:
No, there is no way to do this using nothing more than your existing Airport Extreme N Base Station. If you want to use an Airport Express as a wireless client to an Airport Extreme N Base Station, you must have "b/g compatible mode" enabled on that Base Station.
Christian wasn't implying that he had an Airport Express working with an Airport Extreme N Base Station in "n-only" mode. He actually had the same concerns you have over the fact that his Airport Extreme N Base Station would have to run in "b/g compatible mode" were he to use his Airport Express with his new Base Station - nence the reason he started this discussion.
Ben recommended setting up a dual-band wireless network. You could do this too - but you would have to purchase another wireless access point (like another Airport Express) which would be cabled to your Airport Extreme N Base Station. That new access point would provide b/g wireless access to b/g capable wireless clients (like the remote Airport Express you are streaming iTunes to) and would allow the Airport Extreme N Base Station to be configured in n-only mode for n-capable wireless clients.

Airport Express as WDS main - Is this possible?

I would like to alter the wireless network we have in order to
1. Accomodate a NAS device
2. Allow wireless access to NAS device
3. Connect to internet
I am considering the following setup.
The NAS will be wired to an Airport Extreme which will also be wired to an iMac. It will store video plus act as Timemachine host.
The Airport Extreme should wirelessly share the NAS on the wirless 'n' network.
The internet router is in a diferent part of the house and cannot be moved.
Can I connect my Airport Express to the router, wireless bridge to the aiport extreme using WDS? Should this be setup using wireless 'g' part of spectrum to maximise bandwidth or is there enough not to matter?
Can I also connect the MacMini using wireless 'g' to the Airport Extreme?
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Yes, an AirPort Express can be a WDS "Main" if it is connected to your modem/router by an ethernet cable. The AirPort Extreme would need to be configured as a WDS "Remote".
But, there are two significant problems that you might want to consider:
1) Time Machine backups to the drive at the USB port +are not supported by Apple+. Corruption issues are very likely to occur if you elect to try this.
2) The WDS setup will cut the bandwidth in half on your wireless network, so you'll have a "g" wireless network operating at half of its capability. That probably won't support hi definition video, which needs all the bandwidth it can get.
If both the AirPort Extreme and AirPort Express are newer "n" devices, then you could use Apple's "Extend a wireless network" setup and maintain "n" speeds on the network.

Time capsule + airport express NO WDS?

I am trying to configure my time capsule and airport express to talk to each other and I dont see WDS as an option on my time capsule? I do see it on the airport express.
I am trying to hook up a sling catcher to the express (through ethernet) so that it can talk to my sling box hooked up to the time capsule.
Am I missing something?

ok - so i am having similar issues and can't find an answer. if i've missed it, please forgive me (new to MAC stuff) and point me to the right area and i'll read it out.
i have the following: an internet router, to which i have connected via ethernet cable my time capsule. On the time capsule, I have configured a wifi (wifi1) which i have enabled to be "allow this network to be extended". this wifi network works great. I have an airport express. this one i have configured to join a WDS network. things seem to be OK, except the airport express is not managing to pick up an IP address from the Time Capsule and therefore ends up with an APIPA. They are both configure in bridge mode. i have tried the airport express in relay and remote mode, to no avail.
all i want to do is to enable the airport express to be an extender for my wifi network to allow my laptop to also be able to connect from the other side of the house. is this too much to ask? i thought i had understood that you could do this with these pieces of equipment.
i have tried all sorts of configurations and this is not working.
nyone have a solution for this?
thanks,
D.

Can AEBS, wired Airport Express and WDS Airport Express devices be mixed?

I have been using an AEBS and three Airport Expresses (non N)in a WDS network using mixed b/g/n with two b/g mac minis, a b/g/n macbook and a b/g macbook for several years but have noticed the speed and reliability flucuating. I wish to do more music streaming and would like to improve the speed and reliabilty.
I have cat5 in several locations in the house.
Can I use the AEBS as a base wired to two Airport Expresses in different parts of the house(probably set as bridge) to extend my wireless g network and stream music to fixed points and then extend the network (?wds) with a non wired Express near one of the wired Express devices?
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My Macbook with "n" runs on the 5ghz network...it must be pulling that directly from the AEBS.
So I would guess that your AEBS is actually a simultaneous dual-band 802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBSn) ... correct? If so, then it would certainly make sense that the MacBook is connected to its 5 GHz radio.
My wired AXs will be in two very different areas of the house. Is it possible to wire them as bridges, then set each as a WDS base to extend to their local area?
I assume that you intend to create two different WDSs ... correct? If so, this should be possible. You will need at least four AXs to do so. Each WDS would have the main base station connected to the AEBSn by Ethernet; configured as a bridge, and as the main in the WDS. For each of the mains, you would have another AX configured as the remote.
Since the mains are both configured as bridges, all wireless clients connected to either WDS should be able to see clients connected to either WDS or the AEBSn.

Extending Airport Extreme network with Airport Express using WDS

I have been having some trouble using WDS between an Airport Extreme and Express, with the Extreme acting as the internet router in the network.
Both devices have been updated with the lastest firmware.
I am using Airport Utility 5.5.1
*Airport Extreme Configuration*
*Wireless Tab*
Wireless Mode: Participate in a WDS network
Allow Network to be extended: Checked
Radio Mode: Auto
Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal
Channel Selection: Manual (Same as my Express)
*WDS Tab*
WDS Mode: WDS Main
Allow Wireless Clients: Checked
WDS Remotes: (MAC of my Airport Express)
*Airport Express Configuration*
*Wireless Tab*
Wireless Mode: Participate in a WDS network
Channel: (Same as my Extreme)
Network Name: (my network name)
Wireless Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal
Allow this network to be extended: unchecked
Radio Mode: 802.11n (802.11 b/g compatible)
*WDS Tab*
WDS Mode: WDS Remote
Allow Wireless Clients: checked
WDS Main: MAC of my Airport Extreme
I think that covers the pertinent stuff. If there's anything else that might be useful, please just say so.
So, the Extreme is green-lit, working fine. Wireless clients can connect to it just fine. On the Wireless Clients page the MAC of my Express is showing up, with a type of WDS listed. It does not, however, show up under the DHCP clients section.
The Express is yellow-lit. Sometimes after a setting change it goes green for a minute or so, then back to yellow, reporting a WDS Error ("the AirPort Wireless device is set up as part of a WDS network, but no other AirPort wireless devices were found").
The Airport Express is ending up with an ip address of 169.254.49.198 (an automatic private). It seems it's not getting an ip from the Extreme's DHCP.
Do I have some sort of authentication issue here? Honestly I'm totally baffled.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
Would the routers' logs be of any help?
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Message was edited by: Xaniel

Wait, just did a bit more reading. Am I correct in assuming now that the "Extend a network" option will function as a wireless repeater, with no ethernet connection to the main router required
Yes. This will provide much better wireless performance...and...its much easier to configure.
On your AirPort Extreme, open AirPort Utility - click Manual Setup
Click the Wireless tab below the row of icons
Wireless Mode = Create a wireless network
Make sure there is a check mark next to "Allow this network to be extended"
Update to save settings
On the AirPort Express, open AirPort Utility - click Manual Setup
Click the Wireless tab
Wireless Mode = Extend a wireless network (hold down the option key when you click on the selection box if you do not see this setting)
Wireless Network Name = Click on the selection box and name of your AirPort Extreme network should appear
Check mark next to Allow wireless clients
Wireless Security = Exact same setting as the AirPort Extreme network
Wireless Password = Same password as the AirPort Extreme network
Confirm Password
Update to save changes
A good starting location for the Express is a point that is about 1/2 to 2/3 the distance from your AirPort Extreme to the area that needs more coverage.
The ethernet port on the Express is also enabled, so you can connect an ethernet device if needed. Post back to let us know how things are working.

Airport Extreme (N) to Airport Express (G) WDS Problems

Recently got an Airport Extreme n.
Trying to use and older Airport Express to extend network / use for AirTunes.
Everytime I reconfigure the Extreme for WDS / Allow network to be extended it seems to switch to 5ghz only.
loses all G connections - ie only Apple TV still connecting!
Any ideas?
Thanks

I have an old AEX, and could never get WDS to work with my extreme-n either.
Apple is moving away from the old WDS to the new "extend a wireless network" mode. This is more evident in the AEBS (dual-band), WDS is now a hidden option.
You have two choices, one is to use the AEX-g in client mode for AirTunes streaming, or get a new AEX-n to extend the n network.

AirPort Extreme with AirPort Express as WDS overall new network??

Hello.
I am looking into buying an airport extreme as a replacement for a Netgear router that does not seem to work. I have an Aiport express already.
So let me see if I can get this straight...
I can have 6 computers (all PCs) connected (and a couple other devices like a TIVO) all connected to an airport extreme base station to the internet and 1 airport express set as a remote base station. All devices will be able to connect to the internet (3 computers plugged in via Ethernet on Airpot Extreme) and share printers/files/etc? Is there a limit to the number of computers that I can have (even if i am extending with an Airport Express?
I would appreciate any help steering me in the right direction. (I posted this in the main section but realized it might be better if i posted it here)

Is there a limit to the number of computers that I can have (even if i am extending with an Airport Express?
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Question about Airport Express in WDS bridge mode with wired clients

I am looking to buy an Airport Extreme N router, and then use the Express I already have to extend my network using WDS. I intend to setup the Express as a bridge in WDS mode and then connect a wired client to the Express. The question is can I connect a multi port switch or hub to the Express so that multiple wired clients can use the bridge or does Express only support one wired client. I looked at the FAQ at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=108038 but it doesn't address that.
Thanks

Hmmm, I haven't actually tried that myself, but it should work since, as a Remote Base Station in a WDS, the Ethernet port on the AX acts like a LAN port.

Can airport express support WDS thru a linksys wag200g wireless router

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Hi again kenkarno,
So the whole idea of WDS (Wireless Distribution System) is to enable you to use multiple devices (i.e. Wireless Routers) on the same network.
For example if you set up a wireless network called "kenkarno" but your original router wasn't powerful to cover the desired area, you could add further routers to the same "kenkarno" network as opposed to creating a multitude of networks for each router. The obvious advantage is that if you're out of range of one router you're in range of another without having to switch networks.
At the moment WDS is very proprietary (hence my first post) so it is common when trying to set up a WDS composed of different brand routers, you may not get them to talk to one another due to incompatibilities in their software.
In your case, it could be that your Actiontec router will not be able to form part of a WDS with your AE so your suggestion of using ethernet between the Actiontec and the AE could be the way to go here (although you'd have two separate networks). If you went for a second AE you could create a WDS between this and your existing one which may make life a little easier.
Hope it works out

Airport Express WDS linksys WRT54G2

How would I set up my linksys WRT54G to my Airport Express using WDS? like my airport express acting as an extender with airtunes.

If you just need to stream AirTunes to your AirPort Express Base Station (AX), you only need to configure it as a wireless client to the Linksys router, however, if you also want to extend the Linksys's wireless network with the AX, then the WDS would, as you already know, would be appropriate.
Check out the following articles on how others have done this successfully with the Linksys:
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