Airport Express & Extreme in WDS, 2 ACLs?

I'm hooking up an express to extend my current extreme network. I use Access Control List on the extreme, when in WDS mode, is this ACL automatically used by the express, or do I need to set it again in the express?
Thanks.
G5 - 1.6GHz Mac OS X (10.4.1)

ACL is a "feel good" measure only. It does not provide any real security since the MAC addresses can easily be discovered and cloned.

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Have recently bought a Time Capsule but realised that it won't do what I want with my Linksys ADSL wireless router. I think I understand how to make it work with an AirPort Express, but would appreciate it if someone could confirm my ideas before I buy even more hardware!
My situation is that my ADSL line comes in to the house on the ground floor. There's no extension phone sockets and I don't want or need them. My home office is on the first floor.
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If I get a DSL modem and then connect an AirPort Express to that, can I then set up WDS so that the Time Capsule becomes an extension of the WLAN and I can connect the devices to the Time Capsule via wires? Or do I need an AirPort Extreme to do this instead of Express? Or is it just plain not going to work?
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One other thing: I found it easiest to reset both devices to factory default settings and use the Airport Utility wizard to set up the WDS network on both devices. Good luck!
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Can anyone please tell me what is the approximate range of Apple Airport Products.
While doing sell in Apple store customer always ask us this question and we don't had any answer for it.
So please if anyone has the answer do reply on this.
- - - Akshay k. (ACMT)

The range is about 50 meters or 150 feet.....but this assumes that the AirPort is being used in a very large open space like a aircraft hangar.....with no obstructions in the signal path.
Chances are, your home is laid out a bit differently, so without knowing a number of variable factors like.....
1) How many walls there will be in the signal path between wireless devices
2) The actual construction type of the walls, ceilings, etc
3) Heavy furniture, large mirrors, etc. in the signal path
4 ) Other wireless networks around your home
5) Other wireless devices like cordless phones, BlueTooth devices, etc.
It would be impossible to tell you what the actual range might be in your home.
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Should I buy airport express, extreme or time capsule? I have my new Mac Pro. 2 iPhones, 2 iPads , and grandchildren who come with their devices. I live in a two-level house.

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A Time Capsule is an AirPort Extreme with a built in hard drive to allow your Mac(s) to back up automatically, so it's a logical choice if you need a wireless router and back up capabilities for your Macs
The AIrPort Extreme has a bit better antenna arrangement than an AirPort Express, so it would be a good choice for a two level house.
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To compare the 3 Apple devices, see this Apple support document:
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DHCP issues connecting a Macbook to an Airport Express/Extreme network

My fiancée's macbook sometimes won't connect to our network, while my MBP has no such problem. A wireless connection is successfully established, but it doesn't get an IP address assigned. I've tried turning on/off Aiport, renewing the DHCP release, but to no avail. It continues to have a self-assigned IP address.
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Trying to configure an AirPort Express as a WDS on a complicated network

Hey All,
I purchased an AirPort Express to try and re-route the signal to increase range. My current AirPort Extreme base station had a very complicated setup. It's a hidden network and it has an attached Linksys router, and some combination of those factors seems to have prevented me from setting up the Extreme as a WDS. In AirPort Setup Assistant, my network cannot be selected because it's hidden, and I can't find anything to help me in AirPort Admin Utility.
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Airport express\extreme problems

i hooked up my new airport extreme and it is working... but now im trying to set up my airport express and it wont work... can i join the two together?

I believe I have it figured out ...
Just havent moved my xbox upstairs yet to see if the eth connection works or not ..
But that doc that everyone references us to is old. The whole auto configure stuff is not there.
For both the Base and AX i used manual mode to configure
So i configured it as a WDS.
Some quick notes thrown together from memory-
Make a note of your MAC address of your AX and Base stations (known as the Airport ID)
Make a note of your network name from your base
Pick a channel for your wireless from your base - ie 11 make a note of it
Go into you base - change your type to participate in WDS network.
Click on your WDS tab, make it a main type
Click on allow wireless clients
That next box where it asks for a client or something - click that + sign.
Plug in the MAC address of your AX - give it name - hit ok and update -
When it comes up you will notice the status of the base is yellow - it should be because there are no WDS relays connected ..
Now with your AX plugged into the wall .. click your network icon and join the other network that is the name of your AX Apple something -
Once you are connected to that network and you see it in airport utility - highlight the AX and click manual configure -
Type change it to participate in WDS network
Channel - use the same channel that your base uses
Network name - type in the same name as the network name as the bases network name
WEP - 128 - (if you used wep) - type in the password - the password that u used when you set up your bases wep
go to the WDS tab - type - network relay
Base station - click the + sign and enter in the the MAC address of your base
and use the ol bridge only mode - so ip addresses are dished out from the base ..
click update ..
Then once it restarts both the base and the AX should have green lights ..
Think thats about it - if anyone has any input if i did anything wrong please let me know -

Time Capsule not recognizing Airport Express/Extreme

Time Capsule is set up and operating as desired, so the next step is to extend the range of the network by adding an Airport Extreme (that the Time Capsule is replacing as the main base station) and two Airport Expresses, one for wireless printing and one to extend the range of the network. In the previous network, the Airport Extreme was a main WDS and the two expresses were remotes/relays (I forget which). I'd like to recreate this using the Time Capsule as the main and the Extreme and the Expresses as the remotes/relays
Trouble is, Airport utility does not recognize any of these devices except the Time Capsule. All of the three older devices have be factory-reset, but they don't show up. However, if I turn off Time Capsule, they show up. Turn Time Capsule back on, however, and the other devices disappear.
Anyone have any ideas what is going on?

I had a similar problem. I wanted to set up three devices: Time Capsule as the main "n-only" network, an Airport Extreme wired by Ethernet to the TC to create a second, "n/b/g" network," and an Airport Express for Airtunes.
WOW WAS THIS A HEADACHE. It took hours -- but I did solve it. See below.
First a brief list of the problems, some of of which were weird. First of all, Airport Utility was constantly not seeing my three devices. Worse than that, it repeatedly confused the three devices in ways that suggest the Airport Utility has bugs in it when it's looking at multiple devices at once. (For instance, while configuring Airport Express, Airport Utility mistakenly applied my AE settings to the TC (yikes!). It tried to rename my TC as an Express, and locked me in a weird loop where it repeatedly told me that AirTunes settings aren't applicable to a TC, but didn't offer a way to fix the wrong setting. I had similar "stuck in an exitless room" problems with all three devices, again and again and again. For hours and hours.)
In my case the solution was:
(1) Do a hard reset of all three devices and disconnect them from power.
(2) Set up each one separately, one at a time. I started with TC since it's the one getting connected to the cable modem.
(3) After TC set up and running properly, I quit all the way out of Airport Utility. NOTE: This proved to be surprisingly important.
(4) Then I plugged in the Airport Extreme, relaunched Airport Utility and proceed to set up the Airport Extreme.
(5) Once the Extreme was running like I wanted, I again quit all the way out of Airport Utility.
(6) Lastly, I plugged in the Airport Express, restarted Airport Utility, and set up Airtunes.
Success!
Lessons: Quitting out of Airport Utility between each discrete setup was very, very important in my case.
It took me hours to figure it out. Hope it helps you.

Airport Express - Extreme Base Station - MacBook Connection PLEASE HELP!

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