AirPort Express Guest

So we have 3 AirPort Express set up for our wifi network. This network is in a firehouse and it was the easiest way for us to set something up. The issue we are having is that we can not set up the Guest network.
I have figured out what the cause is but cant fix it. The issue is that we run a static IP. The AirPorts are run of the static IP so we have access to the server drives and various printers on the network. This network gives me a 192. IP address which is perfectly valid and we are able to get online. All the AirPorts are plugged into the network switch again to give the access to the shared drives.
When you set up the Guest network the AirPort gives a 169. IP address which is obviously not a valid address.
Now, if I connect the Airports to the modem directly I am able to set up the Guest network without an issue. The problem is we now have no access to the shared drives or our server when directly to the modem. That stuff is only accessible when we connect through the switch.
Any suggetions as to get the Guest Network set up leaving the AirPorts still connected to the switch? Again we are a firehouse and a group of firefighters so we try to keep things simple. We want the Guest network to prevent access to the shared drives and our network server.

Please see this thread for information:
Re: Airport Express A1392 guest network setup issues
Unfortunately, the bottom line is that in order for the Guest Network to work correctly, the AirPort must be connected to the modem.

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My operatign system is OS X 10.9.1
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I have had my airport express time capsule for 2 years (1 TB)and it worked pretty near flawlessly since then. It started with the time capsule being too full and that got me messsing with it.
I could not fugure out how to delete files from the time capsule and it was not writing over old ones. I have seen the same problem on here already. (In the end I bought an external drive and now that seems to have solved it and is scurrently bqcking up to the exteranl, even though I deleted a bunch of old files and my computer is now hovering around 830 MB it still won't back up to time capsule a stime capsule states it is hovering around 965 MB . If you can help me on this part that is great. )
Then I tried to reset my AE device. WIth that I had to reset my network. this is where the problems began.
Previously my AE had a steady green light and hosted two wifi names (mine and for guests).
Now if I click not bridged (?) then I can not get Internet access on the guest network, i get the signal and it is there just no internet connection. If I click DHC and Nat it constantly blinks amber but the guest network is there and i have internet. I have gone back and forth with this and it is consistently behaving like I described above.
I have done a reset. I have done a reset and unplugged the machine (though I admit I did not wait two minutes, closer to 45 seconds)
I want to go back to the steady green light and the two wifis established as before.
Also one more thing to add. My Server name has disappeared too. I get an error message that says
There was a problem connecting to the server "name"
The server may not exist or it is unavailable at this time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network connection, then try again.
Seems I did a great job messing with this today.
Can you please help me?

In its default state, the 802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn) will broadcast an unsecured wireless network. It does not need to be connected to another network or the Internet to operate this way. Wireless clients can then connect to this wireless network, but as you know, none will have access to the Internet. Both your Mac and iPhone should have no issues connecting to this network.

Airport Express Guest Network

This could be an Apple Airport hardware issue but wanted to double check I haven't made a mistake in setup or if anyone else has experienced this fault. We have Sky Broadband Unlimited installed running through a Sky Hub with Apple Airport Running an additional Wireless network, primarily for the 'Guest Network' feature. When enabling the guest network, we are able to broadcast the signal however the device trying to connect is unable to complete connection. I'm half confident that it could be an issue relating to the Airport requiring two IP addresses. One for the standard 'full access' signal and the other for an 'Internet Only Access' Guest Network, however it is only given one IP via DHCP on Sky Hub. My immediate thought is to set the Airport to allocate IP Addresses as opposed to the Sky Hub. Any thoughts anyone?

I was able to get the guest facility of the AirPort Extreme to work by double NATing, but it leads to all sorts of other issues with complex environments. If yours s a simple LAN/wifi environment then switch the Airport Express to route instead of bridging and leave the Sky Hub with the same default settings. But if you have ports forwarded or games consoles this isn't recommended. I noticed you put a like on my other post concerning switching on the wifi on the Sky router with wifi isolation enabled and using that for your guests; this is also a good solution to the issue.

Apple Airport Express guest network not really secure?

I've setup several of these devices and they work quite well but I setup the guest network on one and it's in the 172.X.X.X range and the local network is actually on the 192.X.X.X network.If I go to Start and Run and type in \\server it doesn't work but if I do \\192.168.1.2 it asks for the server credentials and allows someone to pull data! That's not a true "guest" network! Is this expected and normal? Do I need to return this device to the store and use something that actually protects the internal network?

GreatGeek wrote:
I've setup several of these devices and they work quite well but I setup the guest network on one and it's in the 172.X.X.X range and the local network is actually on the 192.X.X.X network.If I go to Start and Run and type in \\server it doesn't work but if I do \\192.168.1.2 it asks for the server credentials and allows someone to pull data! That's not a true "guest" network! Is this expected and normal? Do I need to return this device to the store and use something that actually protects the internal network?
It is not actually expected and normal. The guest network should be on a separate vlan to the main network. So even if you can get connection without wireless credentials the only access should be to the internet.
Tell us a bit more of the setup.
What is the main router? Is it setup to isolate vlans?
What about the switch.. again if it is managed or not and how are vlan setup?
What you might find is the Express is designed to work with the Extreme and in extend wireless mode where the network is correctly vlan isolated.
Have you tried another brand of wireless AP, with a guest mode.. because this might actually be a problem of the main router.. as it should not allow access.
I am not saying the Express are perfect by any means.. and people do occasionally report guest network functioning when it should not be.
What is model and firmware they are running.. ?
Are they plugged into the network by ethernet and setup in bridge.. then create a wireless network? Is it setup for roaming rather than extend or have you mixed them??
In the case where you use them in roaming.. the guest network should not work unless there is an airport extreme running as main router to provide vlan support.. or you have a managed switch.

Guest network does not work when bridging airport express to extreme

Hello everyone,
i just upgraded my airport extreme 5th gen and airport express (dual band) to 7.6.3 which is supposed to enable guest network extenstion..
my airport extreme is hardwired to airport express (set as bridged mode), eveything works fine with internet connectivity and roaming between the two since both are set with the same ssd name and wpa pass, i have enabled guest network on both to test the new update, which worked fine with airport extreme, then i went downstairs to test airport express guest network which didnt work.. i can see and join the network, IPs are set correctly exactly like airport extreme.
while testing airport express guest network i noticed that i can only browse google website or google search results, youtube website can be accessed too but it will not broadcast youtube videos.. any other website cannot be accessed thru airport express guest network..
since airport express guest network is providing a very limited access i tried enabling vpn on my iphone and managed to get full access with extremely slow speed.. can this be a bug on the firmware, did anyone find a solution???
Thanks

AirPort Extreme is the main base station handlng DHCP and NAT for the network. Normally, I do not use the Guest Network feature of this dual band router, but decided to check out the new firmware.
The AirPort Express is normally connected back to the AirPort Extreme via a wired Ethernet connection so it functions as a separate access point in a roaming network configuration.
I tried out the Guest Network option in the new firmware on the AirPort Express and had no issues. Then, decided to try the Express out as a test connecting using wireless only. I moved it to a location that was about 30 feet and a few rooms away from the AirPort Extreme and enabled the Guest Function with no problems.
I would not expect your setup to work with the Guest Network features, since you do not have an Apple router installed and functioning as the main router for the network. That would be the device that "creates" the Guest Network and other AirPorts "extend" it using either an Ethernet or wireless connection.
Apple used VLAN for the Guest Network feature before and I assume that has been expanded somewhat with the new feature to extend the Guest Network option to other Apple routers on a network.

How do I set up a guest account using the AirPort Express 2nd Generation?

I Just purchased a new 2nd Generation AirPort Express. The features list and the set-up guide says that I should be able to set up a guest account, but nowhere have I found how to do this. I am running AirPort Utility 5.6 on my MacBook Air under Lion and I even get a message that I should not make updates using version 5.6 because it is not the appropriate version for the 2nd generation AirPort Express. Software Update says there's nothing new for me. When I search the Apple support site there is not even a version of AirPort Utility 5.6.1 for Lion though there is one for Snow Leopard. Even when I installed that version on my Mac Mini running Snow Leopard, I could see no way to create a guest account.
I came across a YouTube video describing a demonstrating how to set up the guest account on Time Capsule and the AirPort Exteme. There it's quite obvious because in the General section there is a tab for setting up the guest account. There is no such tab in either version 5.6 of the AirPort Utility I'm running under Lion or version 5.6.1 running under Snow Leopard.
What am I missing?
-Bill

Apple assumes that you are connecting the AirPort Express to a simple modem....not a modem/router or gateway type of device......that provides both modem and router functions in one enclosure.
If you have the AirPort Express connected to a gateway device, the Express is detecting that another router is present on the network, so the Express operates in Bridge Mode to prevent the conflicts that would normally occur when two routers are on the same network.
Open AirPort Utility 5.6, select the AirPort Express and click Manual Setup
Click the Internet icon, then click the Internet Connection tab
If the Connection Sharing setting is currently configured to "Off (Bridge Mode)", the Guest Network cannot be enabled with the type of "modem" that you have without breaking some basic networking rules.

Using Airport Express on separate subnet to make isolated Guest Network?

Hi. I've done a search here, I've tried setting this up at my house but haven't figured it out yet.
Friends have Verizon FiOS service. They're using the provided modem as the ethernet router and it is handing out DHCP addresses, and for a number of reasons including their home theater, on demand use, etc., they want to keep the FiOS modem as the router, not an Apple product.
We're using an Airport Extreme and a Time Capsule both in bridge mode to distribute the wireless network and everything works fine. They'd like to add an isolated, unencrypted Guest Network. I know we can't use the Extreme's Guest tab because we're in bridge mode.
But we do have a new Airport Express. It seems like there would be a way to set up a Double NAT on a different subnet and give guest users access to the internet but not to computers, shared volumes, printers, and everything else on the primary, encrypted network.
Is there a way to do this or will every address coming from the FiOS router be on the same subnet? Are there any other horrible consequences from doing this, i.e., the primary network will still operate fine?
If the DHCP range coming from the FiOS router is 192.168.15.001 to 192.168.15.199, do I set the Airport Express IP address manually? To what?
To eliminate the possibility of duplicate IP addresses would you have the Airport Express hand out a small range of IPs on a completely different network area, like 10.0.1.1?
Any other suggestions? Thank you.

I was trying to create a primary and guest network division after the router... such as an unusual configuration in the AEBSn after the FiOS router.
At my home I have my cable modem connected to an AEBSn, which is doing my network's routing. But I didn't set a Guest Network on this AEBSn. I am trying to set up a discrete Guest Network downline from this router. (Which would simulate my friend's installation where they're using a FiOS modem/router all in one and we want to create a discrete Guest Network after that.)
But as I guess you've been patiently trying to get through to me, Bob, whatever outlying separation you may be able to create seems to get put back together at the main router.
For example, today I connected a second AEBSn ("AEBSn Guest") to the LAN port of my primary AEBSn router. I set the AEBSn Guest to create a wireless network, and I set that to be a closed encrypted network called "Test," and I enabled unencrypted Guest Networking as usual and told the AEBSn to ignore the Double NAT error.
With this configuration I am able to get on the open Guest SSID, and internet connection is normal. Between the Guest and the primary encrypted network, printing is broken, iPhoto sharing is broken, and so on, but I still see shared volumes and can log in with authentication.
So I can see why a solution to this may have been elusive.
I don't know much about cable TV's subscription services but I took a peek at the set up pages of the Verizon FiOS router and noted there was a lot going on there. Lots of ethernet and cable IP addresses to Set Top Boxes, etc. Not sure if all this could be recreated within the administration of the Airport Extreme, but I am hesitant to risk messing up the Comcast services which are presently working well.
In terms of zooming out to the big picture... when I invite guests to share my internet service, they're usually doing email and web browsing for the weekend but at the end of their stay they want to print their boarding passes... so despite setting up a guest network I might end up giving them access to the main network anyway.
Thanks for the help, Bob.

Can't connect Airport Express to my main wireless network, just my guest account.

I go to join my Airport Express to my wireless network so I can play music from Itunes to my sound system in my living room. That is all I want to use it for at this point. I pull up a list of the networks available, and my guest network shows up on the list, but my main network, which all my computers and Iphone is connected to, isn't on there. I have a Linksys E3000 with a guest account set up trhough it. Windows 7. I called tech support and they said something about a hidden setting. I went and checked and couldn't find anything about this. Also, when people come over they can access my main wireless account with my password.

Hi JWHITHAM and welcome to the forums!
Have you tried manually adding your wireless network to the iPod touch? Mine does the same too sometimes and I just add it manually. So far it works.

Advice regarding house guest internet access through Airport Express

I would like to set up trouble-free (on my part and my house guests) access to the internet. Any thoughts or suggestions? It seems to me that if folks may have reasonable access to cable/satellite TV and telephone, or what have you, it is also reasonable to make available to them the internet. What is the best way to go about doing this? I have an existing home wireless system using Airport Express (may also work in a Netgear WG614 wireless router). Mostly, I am concerned with the technical aspects but would also like to hear from anyone regarding the legal/social ramifications. Any such solutions must take into account both Windows and Mac environments. Thanks.
17 in. iMac G5 ALS (1.8 GHz) Mac OS X (10.4.5) iMac G3 DV (400 MHz), Airport Express, 3rd gen iPod

Meme,
A nice touch, and one that made me choose one small hotel over another when I used to travel a lot.
I can't give a complete solution, but I can give you bits of info, which others will also do.
One thing that probably is a must, is to set Wireless Isolation. That is that although all the wireless clients can see the internet, they can't see each other. I'm not sure that the AE supports this, I honestly thought it did, but now I can't find it. The Netgear will support it.
Wireless encryption will be a must too, you may even want to make it a "closed network", so that the network does not advertise it's presence. Clients wishing to connect must specify ("key in") the network name and connect. That may be just a little too difficult for some business travellers. Back to wireless encryption, some may say to use some ultra-modern hi-tech secure encryption algorithm to be really safe, but these are enormous long passwords that your clients will have to key. Those with older computers may not support the latest encryption methods. Some may recommend WPA, I'd say WEP (more compatability) and a simple (non-dictionary) password, like "@pple" or "@irPortXPr3ss" or any easy to communicate word(s) with a few letters replaced by vowels or (printable) symbols. It is up to you how often you change the password.

Airport express max connections w/guest network?

I am the network admin at a medium sized church. I want to setup 5 airport express routers our building. The private network has a windows server that will act as the dhcp server and i will be enabling the guest network as a public wifi network for a parishioners and guests. I know the max number of users is spec’d at 50 so my questions are as follows: 1 does the 5 user spec actually hold up? 2: does only apply if the airport express is acting as a dhcp server or if it is just passing ip addresses through? 3: does the 50 connections include the guest network as well as the main/private or is it 50 for the main and 50 for the guest?

Sorry, no. That model Express can't create a "guest network". To do that you will need a current production model Express, or recent model Extreme or Time Capsule.

Guest Network - Airport Express

I have set up my new airport express and everything works fine but when people come over they can't seem to connect to the guest network and when they do they can't get internet access.
Please help.

Unfortunately, Apple mistakenly assumes that everyone will be connecting their AirPort router to a simple modem.......not a modem/router or gateway type of device that is often furnished by Internet Service Providers to their customers.
The Guest Network feature will not work correctly when the AirPort is connected to a modem/router or gateway device.
So, the first logical troubleshooting step here would be to find out what kind of device you have, to verify compatibility with the Guest Network function.
What is the make and model number of the device that you call your modem?

Does airport express support guest network

i have a client with an airport extreme (802.11n/4th gen) and an airport express (802.11n/1st gen). the express is located in an outbuilding, connected to the extreme via powerline adaptors, and configured as wds (that is, the express broadcasts the ssid of the extreme and just provides a wireless connection since the extreme's signal doesn't reach that far). it works well in terms of having a seamless connection as devices move back and forth between the two buildings.
as this is a business, they have asked to have the guest network functionality on the airport extreme enabled so that visitors can have internet access, but no access to the office network. the airport express in the outbuilding needs to support both networks (office and guest). as i don't have a lot of experience with apple networking products, i thought it better to ask before i start playing with the configuration.
can the express provide connections to both networks in wds mode? if not, is there some way to configure the airports so that both networks are available thru the express and there is limited necessity for user response when moving between the two buildings (that is, if the express has to have its own ssid/dhcp/??? ?
any and all suggestions welcome.

The 1st Gen AirPort Express does not have Guest Network capability, so it cannot be used for the purpose desired by your client.
A 2nd Gen AirPort Express, which does have Guest Network capability could be used to extend the Guest Network that is provided by the AirPort Extreme. This assumes that the AirPorts are running up to date firmware and you are using AirPort Utility 6.x to configure the devices.

Guest wifi with Airport Express

Is it possible to create a guest wifi hot spot using the Airport Express? I currently have a 2Wire modem/router which provides a wired and password protected wireless network. I'd like to use my Airporrt Express to add an additional password free wireless connection that would not have access to my main network. Is this possible with the equipment that I have?
Thanks!

You can configure the AirPort Express as a "bridge" to "Create a wireless network" and connect to another router using an ethernet cable. But, using an Apple device as the main router, guests connecting through the Express will be able to "see" other devices on the network, so you would probably want to password protect the AirPort Express network.
I don't know whether a 2Wire gateway could be configured to work as you desire. My guess would be no, but I may be wrong. In any case, it's probably a question for 2Wire support.
Instead of "AirPort Express", you could substitute the phrase "wireless access point" in your post and then post it on the 2Wire site.
Please let us know on your findings.

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I have a 2010 iMac OS X 10.6.8 and an Airport Express of the same era.
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Hello Bob,
Thank you for your time on this. I apologize for not giving you a more complete picture of what was going on.
I should have included that I had already performed the steps that you shared and had gotten to the place where I would enter the PIN.
The problem was that, after entering a PIN that I had come up with, the "continue" button never became active. I called Apple Care and ended up talking to 3 different people before I found someone that knew the answer. The answer is that the guest computer (client) MUST be present inorder for me to complete the setup. So, problem is now solved. Thanx...
Siegfried

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Can the Airport Express be used to extend the private and guest WiFi networks coming from the base station simultaneously, or can it only be an extension for one of the two at a given time?
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Can the Airport Express be used to extend the private and guest WiFi networks coming from the base station simultaneously
Yes, either by a wireless connection or Ethernet connection to the base station.....assuming that both the base station and extender are using firmware 7.6.3 or higher and AirPort Utility 6.3 is used to configure both AirPorts, which must be dual band models.

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