Airport Express joined to network but not discoverable

I have two airport expresses - an older b/g model and a newer draft n model - both on their latest firmwares.
December last year I joined them both to the wireless network in a new place and both worked fine.
I hadn't used either since December - so there my have been some airport utility and itunes updates since then.
Today I plugged either one in and it synched with a green light immediately - however neither could be found in itunes or airport utility.
I have tied configuring them - both wirelessly and via ethernet cable.
I have tried a hard reset to restore to factory default and then configure them.
They can only be found by airport utility and iTunes under these circumstances:
1. After a hard reset to factory settings - awaiting initial configuration
2. Configured as it's own wireless network
3. Joined to the existing wireless network via ethernet only (WiFi off).
If I join to existing wireless network as I need to do the device is not discoverable.
I input the correct credentials and then the device reboots - at this stage it drops out of the airport utility and never gets picked up by it even though it reboots with a green sync light, indicating it is now joined to the network.  Only way to still see it after reboot is if it is still attached to computer over ethernet. As soon as ethernet is disconnected it dropsout.
I would think it was not broadcasting a wireless signal were it not for the fact that it does work when set up as its own wireless network, and also were it not for the fact that it was doing it to two different airport expresses, both different models.
I have two laptops - one on leopard and the other on snow leopard and still no luck- so I don't think it is an OS update issue.
I have never had trouble configuring AEX joined to an existing network before and they both were working December last year.
So in summary: two different model AEX displaying the same behaviour, two mac laptops with different OS' used to configure, tried wireless and ethernet configurations, reboot after configuration gives green sync light but is not discoverable in itunes or airport utility. Airports ARE discoverable when broadcasting their own wireless network or joined to network over ethernet only. Airports are discoverable after hard reset to factory settings but become invisible when correctly joined to an existing wireless network after reboot.
Please help - it is driving me crazy!!!

I'm not trying to set it up as a network.
I just want to be able to play iTunes on my hifi.
The Airport Express is currently sat right next to an Huawei HG532 router with a solid green light.
However both iTunes and Airport utility says: "Airport Utility was unable to find any Airport Wireless devices.... make sure it's plugged in etc...."
Never had a problem before, but i've just plugged it in after a 4 month absence.

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