Airport Extreme and Westell DSL modem

Hi all,
I am a MCSE Certified Professional in Windows 2000.
I got a new Apple Airport Extreme router to replace my Sister's Netgear router. I kept having to reset it all the time. In setting up the Airport I found out that the Westell modem actually has a router built in. I did not know that before.
My question is whether to set this up as a router or a base station. I am know that setting up the Airport as a base station is the recommended way to go. But, I am thinking that it is also not as secure. Also I don't have as much control over port forwarding and VPN access, etc. Also how does the DHCP IP addressing work going only through the Westell modem? Right now I have the Airport setup as a router with NAT unchecked. And an IP address set to something other than 192.168.1.1. Which is what the Westell is set for.
The only think I dislike about the new Aiport Extreme is the fact that I can not change the gateway ip address. I can't understand why Apple decided to do it this way. In the Router configuration as described above the network is working very well so far.
What are your thoughts.
Thanks,
John Gerard

John,
The 6100 is an older product (~2006?). Depending on how long your unit has been in service, there may have been firmware updates released by Verizon which will greatly affect the appearance and contents of pages presented by its embedded server. I advise you to update the 6100 firmware if needed, before changing the configuration. Verizon will often ship out a current DSL router to Mac subscribers on request, since Westell routers can't be flashed from a Mac. (You'd probably get a 7500). If you do choose to continue configuring the 6100, look for an "Advanced" tab where you can turn-off IP address distribution for a private LAN. That should effectively put the 6100 into bridge mode. However, Verizon employs dynamically-assigned DNS servers; without locally-stored DNS entries, I'm uncertain about how well the 6100 will continue to negotiate DNS lookups in bridge mode.
I can't offer any more-specific advice about configuring the 6100 since I've never used the product. However, based on what I do know about Verizon's suport for their hardware, I still believe that you'll be creating extra challenges down the road by chosing to configure any DSL router as a bridge, since Verizon won't provide troubleshooting support for that configuration.
Now that this discussion has substantially drifted away from anything relating to an Apple AirPort, I believe you'll get better configuring advice from Verizon DSL tech support (800 567-6789) and/or Verizon's DSL "High-Speed Internet" Help pages. So that other forum visitors may benefit from reading this discussion, please come back and post a descrption of the solution that worked for you.
Thanks and good luck!

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I’m from Italy, sorry for my English. I hope I will explain my problem well enough.
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Thanks for your help. At this point, I'm seriously considering replacing the older "g" AX with a new "n" model. For whatever reason, each time I've tried to bring the ols AX bcak online in my network, it only managed to screw up my network. Using the Airport Utility 5.6 for Lion, I was able to get a green light on the AX, but it still would not go online from my Yamaha digital piano control panel, like it always did before.
Using AUtil 6.0, everything else works, and I'm assuming that setup with a new "n" speed AX, my piano will be able to get back onlune, too. When I originally set up the AX to link the piano to my WIFI network, I had very little trouble getting it setup. YAMAHA didn't list the Apple AX in it's list of compatible wireless routers/adapters, but I saw no reason that it wouldn't work. As I said it was a reasonably easy setup the first time, and it has worked for several years with no problems.
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