Airport Extreme & Express WDS Network with 5Ghz possible?

Hi Guys,
is it possible to run an Airport WDS Network with 5Ghz? I´m using an Airport Extreme Base and a Express, but its only possible to run it with Draft N in 2,4 Ghz... so thats not enough... for IPTV.
any ideas...
thanks
Simon

Simon2207, Welcome to the discussion area!
No. WDS is an 802.11g feature and 802.11g only operates at 2.4 GHz.

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http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/type.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&SystemID=INSPNT_PM600M&os=WW1&osl=en&deviceid=5896&libid=5

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+Is it possible to setup a WDS network with separate SSID's+
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Hello Degator. Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
Try the following as a guideline ...
802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBSn) - WDS Setup
(Note: To facilitate the WDS set up, place the base stations within near proximity of each other during the set up phase, and then relocate them to their desired locations when complete. Also, jot down the AirPort IDs (MAC addresses) for each of the base stations to be used in the WDS.)
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o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the AEBSn that you will want to set up as the main base station.
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Station menu, or double-click the base station to open the configuration in a separate window.
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default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
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o Click WDS and then choose “WDS main” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
o Select the “Allow wireless clients” checkbox if you want client computer to connect to this base station.
o Click the Add "+" button and enter the AirPort ID (MAC address) of the AX that you will want to connect to this base station.
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o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the AX.
o Open AirPort Utility.
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o Enter the base station password, if necessary.
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o Click AirPort in the toolbar and click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and choose the same channel as the AEBSn from the Channel pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and choose “WDS remote” from the pop-up menu.
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(ref: Pages 42-46 of "Designing AirPort Networks Using AirPort Utility.

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