Airport Extreme - Guest Network - Bandwidth Control

Hello Everyone,
I'm in need to deploy a solution to someone in a bar and I wanted to know if it's possible to do it with the Airport Extreme of Apple.
I already saw some study cases, and I not sure if it's possible to do what I pretend.
This is the cenario:
The user have in his office an ISP router with wireless that provides him with network connectivity for all his devices, in his office.
But where the clients are the signal doesn't get there, so we passed a cable to the bar, and we want to deploy there network guest access to the clients.
The thing is that we want to make the clients network to don't have access to the internal network devices, and then to controll at what velocity then can connect. Providing sometimes higher speeds, and other times lower speeds. (bandwidth management / limited).
Is it possible for me to use the Airport extreme for that? If not, do I have any other solution?
Thanks in advance.
Regards!

As stated this is not consumer level router functionality.
You either need a router that takes a third party firmware.. eg Gargoyle.. just google for it as I am not allowed to post details.
Or you need a pro wireless hotspot solution. These are expensive..$500-1000 but work without bothering the business owner.. you provide each person who buys a drink a printout ticket with username and password.. which allow both limited time and bandwidth. It is better than just making a free for all. There are also methods where people can login with credit card details.. but I think it is better to use the ticket type system.
For a cheap free for all.. as I said look at gargoyle.

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Hi, mackiemesser. Welcome to the forums!
So if I understand correctly, your setup looks like this:
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GreatGeek wrote:
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- The downstairs access point was configured wirelessly and is seen by the upstairs access point. It puts out a full signal, but might it be too far from the original access point to put out fast internet?
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ref: Click on the Apple icon on the menu bar > About This Mac > More Info... > Contents > Network > AirPort > Interfaces > en1 > Current Network Information > Find your wireless network > Signal / Noise
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SNR Guideline
40dB+ SNR = Excellent signal
25dB to 40dB SNR = Very good signal
15dB to 25dB SNR = Low signal
10dB to 15dB SNR = Very low signal
5dB to 10dB SNR = No signal
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Upgrading to the latest generation of AirPort will not affect the Internet speed provided by your ISP. However, the latest generation models do offer better WAN-to-LAN throughput over the earlier generations so theortically, if you use an Internet speed testing program, you should see better results between the test site and your computers.

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*An update:*
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Yes, I suppose I could do that. But if the wireless extension isn't working in one direction there's no guarantee it'll work in the other direction; and I was trying to avoid upending my entire setup.
And no, I'm not bridging the units with hard-wired cabling; I'm attempting to use wireless to extend them...NOT WDS, which is for 802.11B/G mode, but the 802.11N wireless extension mode that's available on these Apple products.

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