Airport Extreme off a Router which provides DNS - Guest Networks

I am sure that I am not alone here.
I have a BTBroadband wireless ADSLModem/Router which provides DNS for the network.
Off tyhe router is a Netgear switch which has connected to it an Airport Extreme. Also off this switch I have many other peripherals - such as Time Capsule, iMac etc.
So the arrangement is simple in logical terms:
BT Modem------->Wireless Router (which allocates DNS)---------->Switch----------->Airport Extreme  etc.
IP Settings as follows
192.168.0.1 for Wireless Router - which allocates DNS in range 192.168.0.2 to 0.150.
I have allocated a fixed IP on the Airport Extreme of 192.168.0.151
The devices thart run off this are all having DNS allocated by the router - not the Airport Extreme.
So - how do I set up (or can I set up) the Guest Wireless Network?
Let's assume Router Wireless Network is call MainWireless with a Password MainWord, The Airport Extreme is acting in Bridge Mode and has the exact same 'Create a wireless network' called MainWIreless and Password MainWord (as per best practices in using these to provide the best 'network hopping' capabilities for devices (I actually have 2 other wireless devices from TimeCapsules that operate the wireless in the same way).
All of this works fine.
However when I set up the Guest Network on the Airport Extreme - simply by enabling it - I provide a new Guest Network name of GuestWireless with a password GuetsPassword. In theory it should all work fine, however the devices connecting to the Guest Network cannot get to the internet (effectively I don't think that the 'iPhone for example' is being allocated a correct IP Address - in fact I know that it isn't as its a 169 range and a different subnet).
So - the only way I can think of doing this is to go into the Network Settings on the Airport Extreme, Change Bridge Mode Wireless to DHCP and NAT and then go into Network Options. Here I am a bit lost and need help.
To summarise - Main Router Address 192.168.0.1 allocates range 192.168.0.2 to 150, Airport Extreme Address (static) address 192.168.0.151.
Airport Extreme DHCP and NAT Network Options has:
IPv4 DHCP Range - I have set to 192.168.0.152 to 255
Guest IPv4 DHCP Range 10.0.0 152 to 255
NAT Port Mapping Protocol is switched Off
- This won't even save.
Should be simple I would have thought. Think again...
Please help - mwhat should I / can I do to enable a guest wireless network?

Thanks for all that - I suspected as much (and I did mean DHCP not DNS).
So - if I disable DHCP on the HomeHub3 IP 192.168.0.1, and set the Airport Extreme IP Address at 192.168.0.2, what do I do with DHCP and NAT settings to have a Main and Guest Wireless Network?
I can easily change the order of things if necessary to be :
BT Modem (192.168.0.1 with DHCP disabled)--->Airport Extreme (192.168.0.2 (set to get DNS from 192.168.0.1) )--->Switch---->Various wired and wireless devices.

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