Airport Extreme USA vs. Europe

I live in Switzerland and am thinking about buying an Airport Extreme when I'm in the states next week (cheaper than buying one here). I see from the tech specs that the AEBS uses (is allowed to use?) a different set of channels in the USA vs. Europe.
If I bring a US-spec AEBS over here will I be able to reset it for the Euro channels? Does it matter?
Thanks!

axelessbaum wrote:
If I bring a US-spec AEBS over here will I be able to reset it for the Euro channels?
No, you won't be able to enable the additional channels
Does it matter?
It probably will, since you'll have less flexibility to find a less crowded channel in your location.

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Airport Extreme Card - USA version not compatible with Europe?

I'm having some problems with the Airport Extreme Card in my Mac Mini i.e. my connection to the internet is mind numbingly slow when using it. I have no issues when I hook it up directly with a LAN cable and I've used a friends Macbook to connect to the wireless router and their connection works perfectly.
My specs...
AirPort Card Information:
Wireless Card Type: AirPort Extreme (0x168C, 0x86)
Wireless Card Locale: USA
Wireless Card Firmware Version: 1.4.3.1
Current Wireless Network: SpeedTouch3C84E7
Wireless Channel: 11
Now here's where I think the problem lies, I bought this machine in the US but am now living in Belgium...you'll note that the card locale is set to USA. My friends machine has a card locale of worldwide and I think this difference is causing the issue. I found another thread that mentions using a USA card in europe limits the number of available channels but I'm still in the dark as to what to do about it.
Is the locale changeable via a software setting or is the hardware different...maybe there's a firmware change I could make?
If it's hardware is this something my Apple store can switch for me?
If I'm really stuck can I switch my router to the US settings to fix the issue?
Any other ideas?
Thanks for the help!
Chris

hi. I think that the only difference between USA and worldwide cards is that ww cards have additional channels (12 and 13). You should be able to use your mini in Europe.

I have already bought a macbook pro in USA and I want to use it in Europe. What adapter I need for my Airport Extreme?

I have already bought a macbook pro in USA and I want to use it in Europe. What adapter I need for my Airport Extreme?

No power adaptor is needed as the power units are auto-switching. But you will need wall outlet adaptors such as you will find in Apple's World Travel Kit, at AAA stores, and other vendors.

Can I use an Airport Extreme Base Station from the USA in Europe ?

A friend of mine gave me an Airport Extreme Base Station from the USA to Germany. When I hook it up to my PB by ethernet cable the Computer can't find the Base Station at all. If I use my Sonnett Aria Extreme PCI card it finds the station but in the pop-up menu asking in which country I want to use the airport station it only offers North and South American countries. How do I go from here and why is my PB not finding the station when I'm using cables ? Has it something to do with different models for different countries ? Any idea ? Thanx

Here you go ...
Changing the Radio Channel on the AEBSn
Either connect to the AEBSn's wireless network, or temporarily connect your computer directly (using an Ethernet cable) to one of the LAN ports of the AEBSn, and then, using the AirPort Utility in Manual Setup, check these settings:
AirPort - Wireless
o Channel: <Use Automatic or select a preferred channel>

Airport extreme purchased in UK to be used in USA

I bought my airport extreme in the UK and I now need to use it in the USA. The USA is not shown in the country list. When I use it in the USA should I leave the country selected as UK or will USA show up once connected to a USA ISP. Is there a major problem if i leave it as UK?
thanks

You can use wireless channels 1-13 in the U.K., but only 1-11 in the U.S.
If you have the AirPort Exptreme set to broadcast a wireless network, and you're using U.S. version computers, make sure that you do not use channel 12 or channel 13 since the computer will not be able to connect.

Change Airport Extreme locale setting (USA vs. Worldwide)

Hi all,
I am very confused about the locale setting of the Airport Extreme card, which is shown in the system profiler:
AirPort Card:
AirPort Card Information:
Wireless Card Type: AirPort Extreme
Wireless Card Locale: USA
Wireless Card Firmware Version: 404.2 (3.90.34.0.p16)
I know that there are restrictions for the allowed frequency bands (channels) in different countries:
• Channels 1–11 approved for use in in USA, Canada
• Channels 1–14 approved for use in Japan
• Channels 1–13 approved for use in other countries
I live in Germany and want to use channel 13 for various reasons.
Now I bought a extreme card on ebay which is (as I was told afterwards) imported from USA.
Someone told me, that this cards cannot handle the channels 12 and 13.
Is this true? Or does it depend on the my PowerBook, which was bought in Germany or even on the language setting, which is - of cause - german.
I also read somewhere that it can be changed by loading a different firmware, which you could only do with a - let's say - not apple approved software tool (which I don't have anyway).
By now I have read so many different opinions and suggestions, that I don't know left from right anymore.
Can someone please tell me some real facts, please.
Thanks.
PowerBook G4 12-inch Mac OS X (10.4.8) Airport Extreme

FilterPunk, Welcome to the discussion area!
I have spent years helping in this discussion area and have never seen any information on the possibility of changing a US card to a European card.
It may be possible but I have never seen information on it nor anyone reporting that they had done it.

Using an Airport Extreme from Hong-Kong in Europe?

I got 2 AP Extreme here that I bough tin Hong-Kong. Now I try to use them to enhace a Wireless Network in Europe. There seems to be a problem. Anyone knows how they are different? Are they using different frequencies? I realized that configuration panel only shows me some pacific locations (Australia, Asia).
Kind regards

but cannot get it to work properly.
What exactly, does not work?
The power supply will work on 100-240 Volts and 50-60 Hz, so power wise, the AirPort Extreme will work on local AC power just about anywhere in the world, assuming that you have the correct AC plug for the AC wll jack.
Asia has different WiFi standards than the US, though, so some channels that work on the Extreme in Asia will not work in the U.S. and vice versa. Please see this article for more information in that regard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
In general, you will likely need to set the AirPort Extreme to use channels 1-11 on 2.4 GHz and probably limit 5 GHz channels to 36, 40, 44, and 48.

I purchased an airport Extreme from germany. I would like to know if I can use it in the USA, and would I need anything else apart from a new power cord for the same ?

I purchased an Airport extreme from Germany to be used as a router. It worked very well over there and I plan to use it in the States. Now, since the power output is different in both USA and Germany, would I only need to buy a new power cord from USA ?

The AirPort Extreme will run on 100-240 Volts and 50/60 Hz, so it will operate just about anywhere in the world as far as power goes, if you have the right power cord or AC wall adapter. A voltage converter is not needed.
But, European wireless standards are different than the U.S., so you will need to avoid using Channels 12 and 13, which are not authorized for use in the U.S. Otherwise, things should operate OK.
For all the details on wireless standards in different parts of the world, see this document:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels

Using a european airport extreme in USA

I've recently moved to the US and brought my apple products with me. I have just signed up for cable modem, but my airport extreme is having problems picking up the internet through the modem. Are there any settings that exist on my airport extreme that would make it exclusive to Europe? If so, how could I change these?

The frequencies are basically the same, except in US they have 1-11 and in UK we have 1-13.
Power shouldn't be a problem either, you can by us to uk adapter probably, also, the airport extreme has an external power unit which has an input of AC 100-240V 50/60Hz which UK is 230V @ 50Hz which is fine.
The power lead you can take out of the adapter and find a cheap (13amp plug to figure of 8 socket) which you can get any electrical store very cheap which will keep your wiring cleaner!

New Airport Extreme and iPhone Issues

I've had the networking day from ****. I previously had a 3rd Gen Time Capsule at our restaurant, connected to a Cisco 26port gigabit POE switch and Comcast digital voice and internet. Over the past few days, employees have reported trouble accessing the the Wifi network. After several restarts and firmware upgrades (including the dreaded "firmware problem" to fine update), nothing worked. I changed channels, back to auto, back to specific channels, back to auto. Made open guest networks. Nothing worked consistently. My iPhone might connect and my friend's might not. Nor his laptop consistently. Our Axis network cameras might take a bit extra time to connect. All quite random and quite frustrating.
So I swap out an older Airport Extreme (4th gen I believe) using the same configuration as the TC (Time Capsule). It works fine, except for the last port not working as expected. No matter, I plug the mac mini into the Cisco switch and off we go. Nevertheless, I'm still told we are suffering random Wifi issues. So I buy a brand new AE (5th gen) today to replace that one. Should work like a charm I thought. Right....
Several hours later, I finally have the new AE working, but only after doing several hard resets/factory restores, the works. For some reason, the mac mini could not successfully update any of the connected AEs - whether connected directly into the same AE, or if the Mini was connected to the switch. Nothing worked. Every time I tried to update the AE, it would hang and force me to unplug and plug it back in. It would also never save setting changes. I finally resorted to a friend's macbook to be able to restore it successfully. And once that worked, the mini was able to update the AE flawlessly. Our Point of Sales (POS) machines connect fine, our cameras connect fine, wifi printer connects, and the mini connects, and everything has internet.
Except my iPhone 5. Of course. It gets a signal fine (full bars). It gets an IP address. But I can't surf the web. Or download email. Or iMessages. Anything. No internet access. I try hard restarts on my iphone. I try assigning IP addresses by MAC address. I try resetting the AE. I try renaming the WiFi name. Nothing. I can make a guest network that works (on a different IP table, btw - 172, not 192.) But other than that, no access. Grrrr.
So I have a "working" AE router where some devices successfully connect (through wifi and ethernet) and some dont' (wifi iPhone). My iPhone connects fine to my home TC. So shouldn't be anything to do with that. But I'm at a loss. I'm going to go back and restore everything and power cycle everything tonight or tomorrow night. I don't know if that will help, but it's worth a try. Lord knows it feels like I've tried everything else.
Anyone have any good ideas of where to start besides voodoo dolls and baseball bats?

I took mine back, because I was having these very same issues. We use contivity too. I was able to connect only to one of three of the servers we manage (in Europe). I couldn't connect to the servers in Asia or here in the USA.
Replaced the Airport Extreme with my trusty old d-link 624, and no issues connecting to any of the three hubs.
Otherwise, I liked the Airport Extreme, and I'll consider buying it again when and if they address this VPN issue. I work at home so its obviously a "deal breaker" for me.

Can i connect an airport extreme (us version) with a new airport express (euro version) ?

Hi, I lived in the USA for a while and moved back to Europe.
I have an airport extreme (US purchased) which i would like to link with a new airport express (EURO purchased) in order to extent my network.
Is this possible ?
I have multiple problems doing so, which leads me to believe the US and EURO product might not be compatible.
Thx for your kind assistance, G.

Connecting routers wirelessly to extend a wireless network is known as a Wireless Distribution System (WDS). Although AirPorts can extend other AirPorts in a WDS, they only work with a few non-AirPort ones...like some Linksys models.
Here are a few articles on the subject:
- http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222773&start=0&tstart=0
- http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607414
- http://rgbdream.com/?p=44
- http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php?title=WDSLinked_routernetwork
Another option, although maybe not as practical in your circumstance, is to connect the AirPort base directly using an Ethernet cable to the Linksys. Then setting up the AirPort as a bridge.

AirPort Extreme Update 2007-004 did not solve my reliability problems.

The latest update from Apple did not fix the problem on my system, and now I don´t know what I should do, is there anything I can do to somehow fix it?
I can´t use the computer like this, it´s very annoying, for example I can´t browse the web with Safari(constant "Failed to open page" or "You´re not connected to the internet" messages), ethernet is not an option, besides, what´s the point of a laptop if I cannot connect to the network wirelessly?
This is my first MacBook by the way, I like its look & feel, easy of use and integration, but this AirPort issue completely took away the "just works" image I had of Apple´s products.
Don´t get me wrong though, I knew the Mac was not going to be perfect, and that there would be problems(as usual), but I would never have expected something like this.
I´d really like to get this thing to work, the Mac pretty much offers the kind of integration that I´ve always wanted in Linux.
Anyway.. am I the only one whose system is still having problems with AirPort?
What can I do to fix this?
Should I just wait until Apple releases another bug fix for this? how long would this take?
Should I return this MacBook to an Apple store?
I bought this in the U.S. and there is no store on my country(Uruguay), there´re however some Apple Authorized Service Providers, should I take it to them? would they give me a brand new Mac or repair this one for free if I´m covered by the warranty?
I read(http://www.apple.com/support/contact/) that since I´m still within the 90 days of ownership I can call Apple Technical support, but since they don´t have a number for my country, is there an alternative way of contacting them?(via email?).
I don´t know.. what do you people think I shoud do?
+Please don´t recommend me to install an older version, I really don´t want to, besides how do I know it will fix the issue?+
About the problem:
Symptoms:
AirPort signal level randomly decreases until connection is lost, and there is no automatic reconnection.
Manual reconnection is required and might not always succeed, and even if it does, it doesn´t last long(usually less than 3 minutes).
Sometimes the network is missing from the menu(when clicking the wifi icon on status bar) and turning off and on AirPort is required.
Judging from what I´ve read here and found on google, this is a known common problem that dates back to at least april 2007(see [1]).
*Some (useful?) Information:*
0) It might have worked better before updating (10.4.9 is the version of my Installation discs, I didn´t reinstall) to 10.4.10, but I can´t say for sure.
1) According to [1] this seems to be a software problem in OS X, since the atheros driver works fine under Windows.
2) It doesn´t matter if the laptop is running from battery or not, and it doesn´t seem to be related to waking from sleep state since it happens on a clean restart too.
3) Once in a while, the OS asks me to enter the WPA passphrase again to connect to the network, why does it do this if the passphrase is already stored inside the default login keychain?. (entering the passphrase again does not fix the problem)
4) Wireless router is a speedtouch modem, it´s properly configured and it´s known to work, its leds indicate that everything is ok.
5) The MacBook is approx. 6m away from the speedtouch router(walls in between), electronic devices: headless computer next to the speedtouch modem, printer, radio, tv (note: not that it matters since the laptop has worked from this location before).
6) System Info: (forums display issues, does not show ok)
Hardware:
+Mac OS X 10.4.10+
+Model Identifier: MacBook2,1+
+Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo+
+Processor Speed: 2 GHz+
+Number Of Processors: 1+
+Total Number Of Cores: 2+
+L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB+
+Memory: 1 GB+
+Bus Speed: 667 MHz+
+Boot ROM Version: MB21.00A5.B06+
+SMC Version: 1.17f0+
+Serial Number: W87190VFYA2+
+Sudden Motion Sensor:+
+State: Enabled+
Network:
AirPort:
+Type: AirPort+
+Hardware: AirPort+
+BSD Device Name: en1+
+IPv4 Addresses: 192.168.1.68+
IPv4:
+Addresses: 192.168.1.68+
+Configuration Method: DHCP+
+Interface Name: en1+
+Router: 192.168.1.254+
+Subnet Masks: 255.255.255.0+
DNS:
+Domain Name: lan+
+Server Addresses: 192.168.1.254+
+DHCP Server Responses:+
+Domain Name: lan+
+Domain Name Servers: 192.168.1.254+
+Lease Duration (seconds): 0+
+DHCP Message Type: 0x05+
+Routers: 192.168.1.254+
+Server Identifier: 192.168.1.254+
+Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0+
Proxies:
+Proxy Configuration Method: Manual+
+ExcludeSimpleHostnames: 0+
+FTP Passive Mode: Yes+
+Auto Discovery Enabled: No+
Ethernet:
+MAC Address: 00:1b:63:08:c0:87+
+Media Options: +
+Media Subtype: autoselect+
+AirPort Card Information:+
+Wireless Card Type: AirPort Extreme (0x168C, 0x87)+
+Wireless Card Locale: USA+
+Wireless Card Firmware Version: 1.1.9.3+
+Current Wireless Network: SpeedTouch824916+
+Wireless Channel: 1+
7) logs (not good debug info, but maybe it helps...)
Before last update (from /var/log/system.log)
+Aug 1 01:36:21 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer mDNSResponder: Repeated transitions for interface lo0 (127.0.0.1);+
+delaying packets by 5 seconds+
+Aug 1 01:39:14 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer ntpd[158]: sendto(17.254.0.26): Can't assign requested address+
+Aug 1 01:39:31 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Resources/ai+
+rport: Error: WirelessAssociate2() = 88001006 for network SpeedTouch824916. The operation timed out.+
+Aug 1 01:39:39 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Resources/ai+
+rport: Error: WirelessAssociate2() = 88001006 for network SpeedTouch824916. The operation timed out.+
+Aug 1 01:39:39 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Resources/ai+
+rport: Error: WirelessAssociate2() = 88001003 for network SpeedTouch824916. errWirelessKernelError.+
+Aug 1 01:39:39 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Resources/ai+
+rport: Error: WirelessCreateScanResults() = 8800100b+
+Aug 1 01:39:50 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer configd[35]: Error: Failed to join most recent network "SpeedTouch8+
+24916", err=88001006 (will search for any others)+
+Aug 1 01:39:50 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Resources/ai+
+rport: Currently connected to network SpeedTouch824916+
After last update:
+Aug 1 07:01:37 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer configd[60]: Error: Failed to join most recent network "SpeedTouch824916", err=88001006 (will search for any others)+
+Aug 1 07:01:48 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Resources/airport: Could not find "SpeedTouch824916" on any channel (directed scan)+
+Aug 1 07:01:48 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Resources/airport: Could not find "SpeedTouch824916" on channel(s) 1+
+Aug 1 07:02:20 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/A/Resources/air port: Error: WirelessAssociate2() = 88001006 for network SpeedTouch824916. The operation timed out.+
+Aug 1 07:02:29 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/A/Resources/air port: Error: WirelessAssociate2() = 88001006 for network SpeedTouch824916. The operation timed out.+
+Aug 1 07:02:38 Federico-Zagarzaz-s-Computer /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/A/Resources/air port: Error: WirelessAssociate2() = 88001006 for network SpeedTouch824916. The operation timed out.+
8) Settings: (forums display issues, does not show ok)
+unknown-00-1b-63-08-c0-87:~ fede$ cat /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.airport.preferences.plist+
+<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>+
+<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">+
.+<plist version="1.0">+
.<dict>
. <key>AllowEnable</key>
. <integer>1</integer>
. +<key>Always remember new networks</key>+
. <integer>1</integer>
. +<key>Default 802.1X Configurations</key>+
. <array>
. <dict>
. <key>AcceptEAPTypes</key>
. <array>
. <integer>25</integer>
. <integer>21</integer>
. <integer>43</integer>
. </array>
. <key>Description</key>
. <string>Automatic</string>
. <key>EAPFASTProvisionPAC</key>
. <integer>1</integer>
. <key>EAPFASTUsePAC</key>
. <integer>1</integer>
. <key>TLSVerifyServerCertificate</key>
. <integer>1</integer>
. <key>TTLSInnerAuthentication</key>
. <string>MSCHAPv2</string>
. </dict>
. <dict>
. <key>AcceptEAPTypes</key>
. <array>
. <integer>21</integer>
. </array>
. <key>Description</key>
. +<string>TTLS - PAP</string>+
. <key>TLSVerifyServerCertificate</key>
. <integer>1</integer>
. <key>TTLSInnerAuthentication</key>
. <string>PAP</string>
. </dict>
. </array>
. +<key>Disconnect on logout</key>+
. <integer>0</integer>
. +<key>Fallback Preference</key>+
. <integer>0</integer>
. <key>InterferenceRobustness</key>
. <integer>0</integer>
. <key>JoinMode</key>
. <integer>0</integer>
. +<key>List of known networks</key>+
. <array>
. <dict>
. <key>AuthPasswordEncryption</key>
. <string>SystemKeychain</string>
. <key>SCAN_CHANNELS</key>
. <array>
. <integer>1</integer>
. </array>
. <key>SSID</key>
. <data>
. U3BlZWRUb3VjaDgyNDkxNg==
. </data>
. <key>SecurityType</key>
. +<string>WPA Personal</string>+
. <key>WEPKeyLen</key>
. <integer>32</integer>
. <key>_timeStamp</key>
. <date>2007-07-02T07:49:11Z</date>
. <key>authMode</key>
. <integer>2</integer>
. <key>capability</key>
. <integer>16</integer>
. <key>channel</key>
. <integer>1</integer>
. <key>cipherMode</key>
. <integer>2</integer>
. <key>isIBSS</key>
. <integer>0</integer>
. <key>isWPA</key>
. <integer>1</integer>
. <key>multiCipher</key>
. <integer>3</integer>
. <key>name</key>
. <string>SpeedTouch824916</string>
. <key>scanWasDirected</key>
. <true/>
. </dict>
. </array>
. +<key>Require Admin for IBSS creation</key>+
. <integer>0</integer>
. +<key>Require Admin for network change</key>+
. <integer>0</integer>
. <key>Version</key>
. <integer>5</integer>
.</dict>
.</plist>
9)
.+unknown-00-1b-63-08-c0-87:~ fede$ /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/A/Resources/air port -I+
. +commQuality: 0+
. +rawQuality: 10+
. +avgSignalLevel: -89+
. +avgNoiseLevel: -96+
. +linkStatus: ESS+
. +portType: Client+
. +lastTxRate: 2+
. +maxRate: 54+
.+lastAssocStatus: 1+
. +BSSID: 00:14:7f:30:56:75+
. +SSID: SpeedTouch824916+
. +Security: WPA PSK cipher: TKIP+
10) Software Update.log
+2007-07-02 01:17:51 -0300: Installed "Pages Update" (2.0.2)+
+2007-07-02 01:17:54 -0300: Installed "Keynote Update" (3.0.2)+
+2007-07-02 01:18:04 -0300: Installed "iPhoto Update" (6.0.6)+
+2007-07-02 01:18:24 -0300: Installed "QuickTime" (7.1.6)+
+2007-07-02 09:57:07 -0300: Installed "iTunes" (7.3)+
+2007-07-02 09:57:09 -0300: Installed "Security Update 2007-006 (Universal)" (1.0)+
+2007-07-02 09:59:26 -0300: Installed "Mac OS X Update (Intel)" (10.4.10)+
+2007-07-26 21:56:29 -0300: Installed "QuickTime" (7.2)+
+2007-07-26 22:21:30 -0300: Installed "iTunes" (7.3.1)+
+2007-07-26 22:21:34 -0300: Installed "Audio Update 2007-001" (1.0)+
+2007-08-01 02:53:00 -0300: Installed "AirPort Extreme Update 2007-004" (1.0)+
Don´t know if it helps or not, but that is all I could find.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Best Regards,
Federico
References:
[1] http://www.macfixitforums.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=wireless&Number=823491&For um=&Words=&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1day&Main=810572&Sear ch=true
[2] http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/unconfirmed-airport-issues-with-mac-os-x- 10410/
[3] http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1008143&tstart=0
[4] http://www.macfixitforums.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=wireless&Number=823491&For um=&Words=&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1day&Main=810572&Sear ch=true
Message was edited by: fzagarzazu (forums display issues)

Hi,
Well I don´t know what to think now.. I installed the last security update, restarted, went to sleep and now it seems to be working much better, at least there doesn´t seem to be so many drop outs.
I find it a little strange that the airport icon on the status bar that shows signal strength keeps changing, but maybe this is normal behaviour?, don´t know..
I can´t say that the problem is fixed either since I didn´t start to experience airport issues immediately after I updated to 10.4.10, so who knows?
Maybe it works for two days in a row and then it suddenly starts malfunctioning for no apparent reason.
It could be very well be a combination of little problems here and there(some even caused by me editing system preferences) that add up and manifest as a bigger problem, I´ve no idea how to trace it, and as long as it works, I don´t care..
I doubt this will help anyone, but anyway.. the last thing I remember doing before restarting was executing:
# System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/A/Resources/airp ort --updateprefs
which examines network preferences and repairs them if necessary.
Then I went into System Preferences > Network, AirPort´s options and restored default settings, after that I configured it to require administrator password to "Create Computer-to-Computer networks".
I´m hoping that the whole airport issue not working after the last airport update was a weird glitch or even better, caused by me.
If it starts malfunctioning again, I´ll simply call AppleCare and let them deal with it, by the way, it kind of ***** that the only way of contacting them is via phone and no phone number is listed for my country.. no email address? ...
Best Regards,
Federico

Is a Happy Marriage Possible? New Airport Extreme & ADSL Modem/Router

Is a Happy Marriage Possible? New Airport Extreme & ADSL Modem/Router
1. I’m writing from a rural town in Southern Nepal, very close to India. I’m planning to create a new WI-FI network at a small monastery here. Ideally, we will have two parallel wireless networks: the first network produced by an ADSL router/modem and a second network produced by another router in “repeater” mode.
2. Earlier, someone suggested that, when I post a question, I should provide as many details as possible about the situation here. Forgive me if there is “too much information”. I have to make a trip to the US to buy new networking equipment, so I very much want to get this right. Once I return here, I’ll be pretty much stuck with whatever I get in the US.
3. The future routers will live next to each other in an office and could be linked by a cable (if this is the best route to go). We do not wish to “expand” the network (in the sense of making a larger WI-FI network), but rather wish to simply have two networks, hence one ADSL router/modem and one router with the “repeater” function (out-of-the-box without any jerry rigging). Both WI-FI signals need to travel approximately 100 (largely unobstructed) feet.
4. If my dreams come true, the second router would be an Apple Airport Extreme (AX). An Apple router would be ideal because my experience with Apple routers is happy: they are easy to set up, reliable, and secure. Moreover, we use Apple computers and iOS devices here (and the new AX has the “ac” thing which will be preferable as we replace old machines with new ones).
5. Yet, from reading posts and having my prior questions answered on this website, it may be that with an ADSL modem/router, all the ease and happiness of the Apple ecosystem is lost: while Apple routers seem to connect with each other easily, problems appear to arise when users try to inter-marry our non-Apple products with Apples.
6. Our current, super-crappy 2wire 2701hg-t (ADSL modem/router) covers the 100-foot distance without a problem when it is working and there is Ethernet flowing to us. Frequently, our connection is very bad, and I may be unfairly judging the 2wire 2701hg-t. But, based on user reviews on the America Amazon.com, the 2wire 2701hg-t is pretty terrible: first it is simply old and second, among other problems, it seems to have a poor quality power supply unit. I do observe that it frequently seems to be recycling from scratch as if it had turned off and restarted. In any case, we are replacing it since it may be about 4 or 5 years old.
7. In previous posts on this forum, “LaPastenague” responded to some of my earlier questions about AX and ADSL. Among other things, he pointed out that (1) line-attenuation may be contributing to our poor connection and (2) we must choose a modem/router that is suitable for “long lines.” I’ve looked at our current modem/router statistics page; however, there are no statistics for line-attenuation or noise. (As you will see below, my strategy is to get the “better” modem/router that is suitable for long lines.)
8. Concerning our ADSL service, these are the facts I’ve gleaned from looking at the current router’s configuration pages:
Connection Type: PPPoE
Currently, the router is configured to use WPA-PSK security.
Connection Speed: Incoming: 1024 kbps & Outgoing: 509 kbps
(The following information may be unimportant at this time.)
Broadband Link Diagnostics:
DSL Synchronization: UP
G.DMT Signal: UP
PVC Connection: UP
PPPoE Service: UP
PPP Authentication: UP
IP Connection: UP
DNS Communication: UP
9. The ISP (Nepal Telecom) doesn’t supply a modem/router; however, they do have a list of (at times ancient) hardware and hardware vendors:
http://www.ntc.net.np/internet/adsl/adsl_vendersConf.php
10. Concerning what equipment is available here, what I have observed is that generally the ADSL modem/routers for sale locally, and in the far-away capital Kathmandu, and in nearby India are often also available in the United States, but they are the cheaper, older models. I will have to buy the new equipment in the US this year. At a different institution nearby, they are using the TP-Link modem/router td-w89016 which they purchased locally, I believe.
11. Based in part on LaPastenague’s earlier advice, I want to buy the TP-LINK TD-W8980 N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit ADSL2+ Modem Router (2.4GHz 300Mbps+5Ghz 300Mbps, IPv6 Compatible). This appears to be the most popular ADSL device on Amazon now.
Will this modem/router work EASILY with the Airport Extreme in the manner I’ve described? That is, connecting the two with a cable and creating two WI-FI networks.
12. Also, is it generally correct that the best way to connect them is with an Ethernet cable: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23759755#23759755
13. In fact, does connecting them with a cable help alleviate some of the problems that can occur between the Apple device and the ADSL modem/router?
14. If this will work, what “mode” will the AX device be in (again, in order to have two separate networks with separate passwords)? I have heard of the “repeater”, “roaming” , and “bridge” modes.
15. Are there two levels of passwords which need to be considered? Of course, there is the network and network passwords which we create here and which will be different. But, does the Apple also have to have the ISP password like the principle ADSL modem/router?
16. To set this up, what information do I need from the ISP (e.g., passwords, IPs…)?
I think there are a lot of good reasons to use an AX router. Of course, if it is just going to be very cumbersome then, we would be loosing one of the best parts of using Apple products. So, whoever feels knowledgeable enough to reply to this post, please be sincere if you think it is better to avoid the Apple. Apple can rest assured that I will buy other things from them!
In that case, I’d likely buy a second TP-Link device to create a second network:
TL-Wa801NP [AP Mode Multi-SSID Mode AP Client Mode Repeater Mode (WDS / Universal) AP+ Bridge mode (point-to-point / point to Multi-point)].
Thank you in advance. Long live Apple!
Message was edited by: Jess1911

I am not sure if there are different interfaces but my 2wire does an excellent job with line info.
I get into this from browser.. using main IP.. in my case 10.0.0.138/MDC
In your case it should be whatever the IP of the 2wire is, followed by /mdc
Give it a try.
As you can see it shows vendor and loads of info about the line.
I rate it the best domestic modem for line info.
A good modem actually albeit a lousy router.
MDC is the diagnostics and Management Console.
3. The future routers will live next to each other in an office and could be linked by a cable (if this is the best route to go). We do not wish to “expand” the network (in the sense of making a larger WI-FI network), but rather wish to simply have two networks, hence one ADSL router/modem and one router with the “repeater” function (out-of-the-box without any jerry rigging). Both WI-FI signals need to travel approximately 100 (largely unobstructed) feet.
You are not repeating.. you are simply setting up two routers which are interconnected, so one is dependent on the other.. ie one is your adsl modem router and that will take the main router function. Your second router is really not working as a router, but as wireless access point (and switch if you plug things in).
That is perfectly fine. You are not roaming in this case since both routers are running different wireless names and networks.. but they are actually using same IP range.. all devices are on the one IP network with two different wireless access points.
4. If my dreams come true, the second router would be an Apple Airport Extreme (AX).
Apple router is fine for this. Easy to configure out of the box.
5. Yet, from reading posts and having my prior questions answered on this website, it may be that with an ADSL modem/router, all the ease and happiness of the Apple ecosystem is lost: while Apple routers seem to connect with each other easily, problems appear to arise when users try to inter-marry our non-Apple products with Apples.
The problem arises when you try and interconnect using wireless extend or repeater.. you are not using wireless to extend, you are using ethernet. Wired has no issues.
11. Based in part on LaPastenague’s earlier advice, I want to buy the TP-LINK TD-W8980 N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit ADSL2+ Modem Router (2.4GHz 300Mbps+5Ghz 300Mbps, IPv6 Compatible). This appears to be the most popular ADSL device on Amazon now.
Will this modem/router work EASILY with the Airport Extreme in the manner I’ve described? That is, connecting the two with a cable and creating two WI-FI networks.
It is a good choice.. It should be fine considering how poor your line is.. this modem is proving to have a couple of bugs.. it does not handle torrents well but I would suggest your system is not being used for that purpose. It has some port forwarding issues. Again you are probably not going to overload it.
12. Also, is it generally correct that the best way to connect them is with an Ethernet cable: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23759755#23759755
Absolutely best.. only decent method.
14. If this will work, what “mode” will the AX device be in (again, in order to have two separate networks with separate passwords)? I have heard of the “repeater”, “roaming” , and “bridge” modes.
Bridge. Although if it gives issues there is another method, although rather complex to setup.. not something to worry about now.
15. Are there two levels of passwords which need to be considered? Of course, there is the network and network passwords which we create here and which will be different. But, does the Apple also have to have the ISP password like the principle ADSL modem/router?
Only the adsl modem has the ISP authentication.. it is the box that does the link. The TC just piggy backs.
The passwords on the TC are for its Admin, wireless and disk access.
16. To set this up, what information do I need from the ISP (e.g., passwords, IPs…)?
For ADSL you must have the PPPoE authentication username and password.
So, whoever feels knowledgeable enough to reply to this post, please be sincere if you think it is better to avoid the Apple.
hmmm.. I am biased because I see the issues not all the good stories..
The latest airport and Time Capsule seem to have a few pretty severe bugs.. if they happen to hit you, they are extremely hard to fix if you are in the middle of Nepal. And Apple service centre is a long long way away.
I cannot answer your question from the point of view of a person on the ground in remote area. If the economics of the purchase works for you, great. Go for it.
In terms of wireless coverage.. the Asus AC models or Netgear R7000 kill the Apple. Sorry but it is just fact.
See reviews here.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/bar/113-5-ghz-dn-c
That is average.. if you look at the apple router in the worst location by changing the filters, it comes out worse again.
I cannot post the URL to our local forum here.. (apple doesn't allow it). But in testing with apple clients the asus still beat Apple router soundly.
Pure wireless range is not the only consideration.. but in a mixed environment and since the wireless on the 8980N is not too bad.. then buy Apple router for apple client devices makes good sense.
Maybe the older Gen5.. or two of them.. would do a better job.. with a bit more tested and known hardware.
One thing you do need to check.
Routers from every other brand allow you to select country. Any country from anywhere in the world. Apple routers do not.
If you buy an airport in North America it is coded to North America and offers just a few countries.. USA, Canada I suppose.. what else is North America??
You cannot change it to Nepal.
To get the one for Nepal you must buy the model that covers, South Asia I guess.. I am not sure which it is.
See what the license information is for wifi in Nepal as it might be very different to US and therefore illegal for you to run it in Nepal.
If only the whole world would just bow to America.. we could all follow the FCC regs..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
This only applies to the Apple.. the TP-Link etc allows you to choose Nepal or correct country regulations for wifi.
Buying modems has one tricky bit.. that the actual adsl ATM channel is different in different parts of the world. No modem is usually impossible to setup but some can be difficult if it is pre-configured for US.. this is easy to overcome generally as you can download a firmware for another locality, so you can have local settings.

Would an Airport Extreme card newly installed in a Mac Pro require Leopard?

Hello friends,
Yesterday I went to the Apple store and had them install an Airport Extreme card in my Mac Pro. The airport is found, activated, and works for a computer-to-computer network between the Mac Pro and a Macbook. However, it doesn't find any other wireless networks, even though the laptop is right next to it and detects them fine.
I am wondering if perhaps the Airport card I got is not compatible with OS X 10.4.11 and that I require 10.5.x for it to work.
Alternatively, whether there is some configuration tweaking I can do to get it working.
The Airport card is described in System Profiler as follows:
Wireless Card Type: Airport Extreme (0x14E4, 0x88)
Wireless Card Locale: USA
Wireless Card Firmware Version: Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (4.170.46.9)
Thank you for any help. Pretty frustrated; have a slow wi-fi connection here anyway and can't even get cell reception at the site so it's hard to research the problem!
- nick

Not sure what you mean "configure by ethernet."
Do you mean to connect the computer to the wireless base via ethernet to configure the computer's network settings for that network, and then have the wifi card ride those settings?
Do you have any idea whether OS X 10.5.x is required with the latest airport cards?
Thx
-nick

How do I use the Airport Extreme feature.

For a while I have used a Netgear WGR614 wireless router, which worked fine (with a cable modem).
At this time I have a DSL modem, and for the life of me I can NOT get this Netgear router to work anymore. The period for free phone support has expired, every call for support is now at least $ 40.00 so I am going to buy something else.
This is available in my Powerbook:
* Wireless Card Type: AirPort Extreme
* Wireless Card Locale: USA
* Wireless Card Firmware Version: 404.2 (3.90.34.0.p16)
Is there anything I can buy from Apple that would make it possible to be wireless with this?
I'd be gratefull for any kind of information.
Best regards,
Mildred Denney.

Sorry for posting this question in the wrong forum - it's been a long day...;-)

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