Airport Network - Card vs Base Station?
G'day,
I have been considering setting up an airport network in my home for some time. The devices I'd want to network are:
eMac
G3 Powerbook (with airport card already)
USB Canon Pixma printer
Motorola Cable Modem (ethernet connection)
From what I gather, the easiest option is an Airport Extreme base station, HOWEVER I've just been using my Pismo (G3 laptop) to allow my Nintendo Wii to go online. That made me wonder - why couldn't I simply get an airport card for my eMac (which usually has the modem hooked up to it), and then do like what I did for the Wii - share the connection via its card.
Given that my Pismo could talk to the Wii from one end of my house to the other, I assume the eMac should be able to do likewise...
Is there any serious problems with this option Vs using an actual Airport "base"?
Thanks
cosmic
o The highest level of wireless security will be WEP, which is no longer considered secure.
You might find that not even this is possible if you want to connect the Nintendo Wii
Another issue is that the eMac would need to be directly connected to the internet, whereas if you had a wireless router you would at least have the benefit of the router using NAT and therefore hardware firewall protection.
The problem with sharing your internet is that it then becomes complicated running a software firewall.
I would recommend getting a wireless router of some kind.
iFelix
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Airport express showing solid amber light
Unfortunately, this can mean one of two things:
1) The Express is locked up and will need a Factory Default Reset procedure to try to return the device back to its original default settings so that it can be reconfigured again.
2) The Express is defective. If you cannot get the Express back to a slow, blinking amber light after a Factory Default Reset, the Express will need to be replaced.
Try the Factory Default Reset a few times and report back on your progress.
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What is the exact name of the application you are using to configure the airport?
You should be using "AirPort Utility"
It is a Universal application, so it should work on both a PPC and Intel mac.
As for the update, if you can't download it via software update, you most likely do not need it.
The quicksilver only has an Airport card:
http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/PowerMac_G4_Quicksilver2002.html
That means that you will need to configure the airport extreme N to operate in the 2.4 GHz range. You will need to tell it that it needs to be compatible with 802.11b
There is probably an option for 802.11 b/g/n compatibility.
Are you going to still use your airport express? you could either use WDS to extend your wireless network without connecting the two airport base stations with an ethernet cable... or you could connect them together with an ethernet cable and configure the same network name and use two different channels (only use 1, 6, or 11). If you extend a network, they both need to use the same channel.
If the quicksilver is the only machine on your network, it will not be any faster.
Actually, you could make things faster, now that I think about it... I am guessing that your quicksilver is not located near your airport extreme. If I am wrong, just ignore this...
You could use one of your airports as your main base station, connected to your cable modem/dsl whatever... then you connect the other airports ethernet to your quicksilver. you then turn off the airport card in your quicksilver and set up the airport connected to your computer to use WDS and connect to the other airport using 802.11g.
You now have gone from an 11 mbps max (5 mbps real world) connection to a real world 30-40 mbps link.
Other options would be to look for 802.11g or 802.11n usb adapters for the quicksilver... I am not sure what is mac compatible out there, since it is probably a small market since it is built in to all new macs.
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My problem is as follows:
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Blaine MillerCan you tell us whether your "modem" is a simple device with only one ethernet port or is it a "gateway", which is a combination modem/router with 3-4 ethernet ports?
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Airport Utility cannot find base station. The AirPort Status Icon is showing on my iMac's menu bar, but when I click on it I do not see an AirPort option in the list --- only the various networks that are within range and the options to Create or Join a network. I have a 1st generation Airport Express (Moded A1264) and recently installed a new router, Linksys E1500. Could the router be the problem? Another computer in the house had to be set up on the router using Cisco Connect on my husband's Window's 7 computer. This was also necessary for our Wii console. When I try to use Cisco Connect to see if it needs to recognize the AirPort device, it gives me certain wireless settings necessary to connect the device (Network Name (SSID), Security key and Security Type (WPA2 or WAP). looked on the site but didn't see an option for setting up Airport Express. I also upgraded from Snow Leopard OS to Lion shortly before adding the new router. I use the Airport Express to play our Tune music on powered speakers in our kitchen and did not think to see if it was operating between the time I upgraded the operating system and the time I installed a new router. I have two different versions of AirPort Utility on the computer 6.0 and 5.6. Any suggestions?
Just spoke with Cisco about the router. They said the router is compatible with the E1500. They suggested that I contact Apple to see if their default IP address was that same as the router (192.168.1.1). They told me I would have to change it if that was the case. How would I do that?
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Designing a network with 6 base stations and an Access control lists
I have 6 airport extreme (802.11n) base stations setup in my studio.
I'm a little concerned about security as they're all setup individually (wireless mode: Create a wireless network) with the same Network names (mystudio) and WPA/WPA2 personal password so my roaming users don't have to keep entering passwords / experience dropouts etc
i have lots of freelancers who are in and out of the studio and there isn't anyway for me to monitor who is currently connected to my wifi network.
i'd like to setup a wireless network that only allows you to connect to the WIFI network only if your MAC address is on the access control list.
is this possible with Apple Airport extreme base stations or would it be a better idea for me to invest in a 3rd party product?
all the base station are connected to an Ethernet point and have static IP's assigned to them.
whats the best way to deploy such a solution;should i keep the setting as they are and manually enter the mac address for 30 portable machines on each base station or is there a more pragmatic solution...
any help / input would be much appreciated.
Thank YouWhen employing Access Control in a roaming network configuration, the MAC addresses would be required to be entered atr each of the base stations ... as there is no means (unfortunately) to have them "automatically" migrate amongst them.
However, one important thing to note. Only wireless security, using WPA or WPA2, will actually secure the wireless network. MAC addresses can easily be spoofed. Someone, determined to do so, can still access your network ... even if secured by Access Control. -
I am using an older AirPort Extreme as my base station and I want to extend the range by using a recently purchased AirPort Express. When I try to find either device using the AirPort Utilities function on either my new IPad 4 or my older MacBook Pro neither device is detected. However the utility is seeing that we are connected to the Internet which is through the Extreme. What am I doing wrong?
For now, leave the AirPort Express powered off.
Power off the entire network....all devices.....in any order that you want
Wait a few minutes
Power up the modem first, and let it run 2-3 minutes by itself
Power up the AirPort Extreme next, and let it run a full minute
Keep powering up devices one at a time about a minute apart until everything is powered up (leave the Express off for now)
Open AirPort Utility and check to see if the AirPort Extreme is visible.
If it's not, click the AirPort Utility menu at the upper left of the screen, then click About AirPort Utility. Post back with the version number of AirPort Utility that you see there....which should be AirPort Utility 5.6.1.
Post back on your progress. -
Wired extended network, amber on base station
Airport Time Capsule as base station, connected to cable modem.
Airport Extreme wired as extender
[Internet]
|
[Base]●
|
[Extreme]
I used the network utility to set it up and all is as I expected except the base station has an amber● light.
●status: double NAT
it recommends bridge mode.
setting bridge mode no longer uses the extreme as an extension but rather a separate router.
[Internet]
__ |________
| |
[Extreme] [Base]
1) does it matter if it is set up as a separate router?
2) or in original configuration, does the double NAT matter?it recommends bridge mode
For good reason.
setting bridge mode no longer uses the extreme as an extension but rather a separate router.
No, you have things reversed. Bridge Mode turns off the routing services, so the AirPort cannot act as a separate router.
Are you using Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks, or Yosemite? Or, do you have an iPad or iPhone handy?
If yes, I suggest that start over with the setup of the AirPort Extreme and use Apple's configuration "wizard" to set things up. It will automatically extend the Time Capsule network through the Extreme, and choose the correct settings for you. So, you see a nice green light.
Post back if you want to do this. -
i have already installed airport Xtreme as a base station and airport xpress as amplifier of signal. problem is I couldnt make them talk. Extreme is working properly and Xpress is flashing ambar.
Please describe whether your two AirPort base stations are both 802.11n-capable. Also describe how you configured them. Did you configure the AirPort Extreme to "allow this network to be extended"? Did you configure the AirPort Express to "extend a wireless network"?
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I am using SURPLUSMETER I am also using Apple Airport Time Capsule as my Router that is connected to my Satellite dish Internet Modem ... Now on the Surplusmeter I have the option for PPP Modem . Ethernet Port , Airport , Network Card , & Adaptor .
Which one can I use properly to monitor all the wireless Devices in my housActually, none of the options will do what you are looking for it to do. That is because, this application only monitors the traffic from the device it is hosted on. That would also mean that you would have to run a copy on each computer that will access the Internet on your network; note their individual usages, and then, combine them to get an idea of the total usage.
However, if you are only interested in the amount of Wi-Fi traffic that only your computer is seeing, then the "AirPort Network Card" option would be the correct choice. -
Airport Extreme 802.11n Base Station blocking RealPlayer 11 completely
I am trying to play this radio station (just a brasillian sports channel) on RealPlayer 11:
rtsp://real.rbsonline.com.br/liverbs/*/broadcast/rdgaucha/gaucha.rm
Which is completely blocked on my Airport Extreme 802.11n Base Station with the latest firmware update.
It even blocks when RealPlayer is configured for HTTP only.
I am using it on my iMac which is connected directly via a ethernet cable instead of wifi to the Airport Extreme 802.11n Base Station.
RealPlayer can play it fine when I plug my iMac directly to the cable modem so it proves is the router. I never had RealPlayer issues before when I was using a linksys router.
It does really feel like Apple put an intentional block on RealPlayer to stop competition.
Anyone seen this issue? Guess it is related with the BBC RealPlayer issue.Fixed myself, problem was because I setup OpenDNS on base station, removed it now works
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Range eMac: Card v. Airport Express v. Base Station
Hi,
Want to go wireless in my home with my eMac.
Wondering about the respective ranges of the: Airport Extreme Card, Airport Express Base Station and the Airport Extreme Base Station.
I'm mainly going to be connecting with my PC notebook from work.
I'm thinking that the airport antenna built into my eMac should compete well with the signal put out by the Airport Express Base Station and the Airport Extreme Base Station.
Am I horribly deluded (about this anyway)?
John
eMac Mac OS X (10.3.9)Mcfugu,
If you're sure you want your eMac to go wireless. I'm just asking you to think twice about it, will it give any benefit ?
Will you need the Airport Express ?, or Airport Extreme Base Station ? This will depend on whether you want to use Airtunes (limiting where your wireless range will be) and whether you want to limit all your computers to have to connect to the network over wireless (AXBS has Ethernet ports for computers to connect to).
As your original question was just about range, probably just for the PC laptop you bring home from work, you'll have to work out how far you want the wireless range to extend.
AE has a very small antenna, and by it's very nature, is placed very low down on the wall (wireless devices like high up, above desks, furniture, etc).
AXBS is slightly better, and usually has a better placement.
If you do use the AX in your eMac, I'm sure it'll have no problem with wireless range, I think the antenna goes round the screen, definitely big enough.
So only queston(s): How far does the wireless range need to extend ? And what sort of materials are in the way (walls, fish tanks, pipes, microwaves, etc) -
I have a verizon fios cable modem that incorporates a wireless base station using 802.11n and wep 40 bit security. I decided that I could improve poor reception by using two airport expresses as range extenders. I cannot seem to configure them for this function. When I do a manual setup and choose extend a network, I get a message that says the network cannot be extended. I have been able to join the network, and I think they would work as clients, but I'm trying to use them in as additonal base stations to extend my network.
The primary base station, and the two airport express units are all within range of each other.
Now that I have the two units (purchased on sale from Apple this past week), the directions in the manual only include instructions for using them as network extenders with a primary basestation that is Apple? Is this the case?Unfortunately, most non-AirPort routers are not compatible with Apple's implementation of Wireless Distribution System (WDS)...so it very unlikely that your non-AirPort router can be extended wirelessly with the AirPort Express Base Station (AX).
Your only option would be to connect the AX to the Verizon-provided gateway by Ethernet or use Powerline adapters to create a pseudo Ethernet connection between them. A wireless-only connection will not work. -
Airport Express breaking my base station network?!?!?
I've had an AEBS and Airport Express installed in my home for about a year. I use them with my PBG4 and iMac G5, both of which are running 10.4.3. The Express is mostly just a range extender for the PBG4. Airport Admin Utility v5.6.
I recently purchased a Dell 6000 and it connects to my network well. However, sometime during my setup of the Dell, I used the Airport Admin Utility on the iMac to change the WEP settings for the base station (the Dell said it required WEP 40 instead of 128 like I had on the original network). Since uploading changes to the AEBS and reconnecting the iMac, Dell and PBG4 to the network, the following occurs...
If I keep the Express unplugged, I don't have any problems. BUT, if I plug it in and get too close to it with any of the computers (I've tried with both laptops and plugging it in near the iMac) then I can't connect to the internet any longer. The Airport menu says I'm connected to my network but that I'm NOT connected to the internet (if I try to launch safari or firefox). If I unplug the Express, the connection returns and I can surf again. This happens with ALL my computers.
My concern is that I changed a setting in all the computers and the AEBS that is keeping the Express from connecting properly. BUT, none of my Airport software (Admin utility, setup assistant) can find the Express when it's plugged in and steady green light??? The only "base station" available is my main AEBS but the Express is AWOL. I just can't figure out how to make the computer find/see the Express. I know it's working because it is breaking an internet connection when it's plugged in
Any thoughts on what I need to do to be able to see and edit the configuration of this Express?Make sure you do a factory default reset of the Airport Express per:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=108044
Run the Airport Admin Utility and use it to clean up the configuration of the Airport Base Station:
- under the Airport tab, make sure the option to "create a closed network" is not checked
- under the Access control tab, clear all entries
- under the WDS tab, clear all entries
Then (temporarily) put the Airport Express and the Mac you are using for the configuration in the same room as the Base Station. Run the Airport Setup Assistant, and use its guidance to configure the Airport Express as a new Base Station that "extends" the existing wireless network created by the Airport Extreme Base Station.
If you still have problems, make sure you are not using the problematic firmware version 5.6 (Base Station) and 6.2 (Airport Express). The version you should be using are available at:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/airportexpressfirmware611formacosx.html
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/airportextremefirmware551formacosx.html -
Airport Extreme 802.11g base station loses internet connection often
I just installed an Airport Extreme base station (802.11g version Apple Base Station V5.7) last week. And it keeps dropping my internet connection at least once a day.
I simply replaced an old SMC Barricade wireless router that died (and was a POS). But I only had to reset the SMC about once every 2 months. Nothing else has changed in my setup. Only the router/base station is different.
The wireless part is fine. Even when the internet connection gets dropped the hard wired AND wireless clients can still access the local network. Reseting the DSL modem has no effect. The only solution is to power cycle (unplug and plug back in) the AEBS OR restart it from Airport Admin utility.
But you can't do that from offsite. When the AEBS drops the internet connection I can't access my office network from home!
Is there a place in Airport Admin Utility which tells you the status of your internet connection like most generic wireless routers with web-based software do?
Any ideas on resolving this?
Thanks"Any ideas on resolving this?"
Looter,
Based on your description, open AirPort Admin Utility and check the configuration of your main base station on the "Internet" pane. If you're using ethernet cable from the modem to the base station, the top selector [Connect Using:] should show "Ethernet" and the second selector [Configure:] should show "Using DHCP"
Also, check your iMac's System Preferences>Network at "Show: AirPort" and check the PPPoE pane which should show no entries (unless your isp requires its use), and the TCP/IP pane which should show "Configure IPv4:" as being "Using DHCP" - while all other info is filled in automatically.
"Is there a place in Airport Admin Utility which tells you the status of your internet connection like most generic wireless routers with web-based software do?"
No, the AirPort Admin Utility is not web-based, only located on your computer with the information available to it necessary to operate the AirPort system. It does not actually administer the signal. I think that is done only by System Preferences>Network.
"I'm actually referring to the Airport Express base station not my MacBook Pro's wireless connection. Is there anywhere in the Airport Admin Utility software that tells you the status of the AEBS' internet connection NOT the wireless connection."
No, that info is not available in that utility. The information you seek is at System Preferences>Network, but only after the system scans for it. Click the "Assist me..." button and then, on the "Do you need assistance setting up a new network connection or solving a network problem?" panel that opens, click the "Diagnostics..." button. A "Network Diagnostics" panel will then open and if its scan shows there is no internet the lights to the left of "Internet" and "Server" will be yellow instead of green. Meanwhile, it continues scanning for the connection until it is re-established. I determined this by pulling my cable from the phone jack, later reinserting it.
Further information that may be helpful to you can undoubtedly be found in threads such as this other one:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=884049&tstart=0
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In re-reading, I may not have given you what you need. It sounds as if you may be "timing out" somehow on your connection. You might want to check around at some of your log-on settings to see if there is that possibility connected to one of them, even though the only thing I can think of is the "Renew DHCP Lease" button which is unknown to me, as I've never used it.
Message was edited by: myhighway
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