Airport Utility on Mac and iPad can't see Airport Extreme or AEs

Airport Utility on my Mac can't see my Extreme base station or two extending AEs. I thought this might be because I've yet to upgrade my Mac software, so tried using Airport Utility on my iPad--same story. The Mac lists the Airports but with yellow ! warnings; the iPad just keeps searching. Yet the Internet is OK (and shows up with a green light) and I can connect to everything on the network.
Possibly unrelated, but our two Macs have each gotten the "IP address assigned to another device" message. Click Ok and it goes away and everything works, no rebooting or lease renewing needed.
It's weird. Not critical, as everything works, but worrisome. Ideas?

I had the same problem. My AirPort utility in Windows would not detect the AirPort Extreme until I was already connected to the internet. I have two routers in my house. When I connected to my other router and was connected to the internet via that, then my AirPort Extreme showed up in my AirPort.

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