Airtunes and Airport 802.11b

I've seen lots about Airport Express and iTunes but.......can I use an older Airport 802.11b standard card in my iBook to beam iTunes across to an Airport Express base station ? Help

Hi there,
We have 2 Power Mac G4s here with std Airport cards fitted (Extreme cards won't fit). We have an Airport Extreme base station hooked to the cable modem across the house which works great. We use an Airport Express hooked to the living room stereo preamp. and the music can be streamed from both computers perfectly.
I can't see why you would have a problem.
The only time there is a problem is when the microwave oven is used (Normal).
Cheers, MBL

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OK, I thought, then I'll run an Ethernet cable from the Netgear router to my old iBook. It has a 802.11b original AC installed. I'll set it up as a base station. And then I'll connect the AX to that in client mode so I can at least have AirTunes.
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Dear All,
I'd like to follow up because I think that the answer to why I am getting poor sound quality my be in how I set up my wireless network. I'd like to get some feedback about this and some help about how to correct it.
My wireless network has three components.
1. "Base Station" which is a new Airport Extreme.
2. Unit "Number 1" which is an Airport Express located in my living room and connected to my stereo. it is 30 feet away from the "Base Station."
3. Unit "Number 2", also an Airport Express that is upstairs in a bedroom and connected to a ruby imac. via its ethernet port.
Wireless strength is excellent in all locations and all other services are working well from a laptop, the ruby mac or the imac. My problem only seems readily apparent when playing itunes through the stereo's speakers.
My wireless system is configured as follows:
Base Station: Wireless mode is set to participate in wireless network and to allow this network to be extended. The WDS mode is main and is set to allow wireless clients. The two airport expresses are identified by ID number as remotes.
Unit 1 and 2 are configured as WDS remotes and to allow wireless clients and identify the base station as WDS main.
I recently configured a new Airport Extreme base
station and two airport expresses. I used the
airport expresses to extend my network but the sound
quality is very poor when I run itunes no my stero.
can anyone tell me why and how to fix it. The sound
is very scratchy and there is no volume.
Rich

Airtunes and Airport not working after Itunes update

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I have a new airport and before updating to the new version of iTunes it worked perfectly. Now the green light flashes (an option I ticked to show activity) but no music comes from the device. I have seen other users here with the same problem: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8147595
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James

Same problem here.
My base station, which is newer, is working still, but the latest iTunes update knocked out my older AirPort Express.
I've tried many times to reset the Express with a paperclip but no results. After resetting the Express, AirPort Utility reads it through a scan, but when I try to add Express to my existing network it drops out and fails to reconnect.
I'm stuck with a flashing yellow light. AirPort Utility can't pick it up in another scan unless I go back and reset the Express with a paperclip and the process starts all over again.
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Airtunes and Airport Express

Why the heck can't I stream my music to my airport express???
This is crazy - airport express has wifi, ipod touch has wifi, what's the problem?!

Out of the box iTunes streaming to your iPhone
Hey guys - this is a bit of a detour form what we usually cover on the blog - but I just wanted to share this little trick I thought of for the iPhone.
I currently have movies added to iTunes on a Mac mini with a TB drive. I thought tonight - wouldn’t it be great if I could stream these to my iPhone - it should be easy right? It is…
Step 1
Open “Sharing” in System Preferences and enable “Personal Web Sharing” - this will turn on the built in web server installed with OS X. When enabled, it will display an address (your IP or computer network name) as the URL for accessing the site on your network. Note this address - we’ll be visiting it on our iPhone via Safari later.
Step 2
The root of the web site is located in /Library/WebServer/Documents.
Open the Terminal and type the following:
cd /Library/WebServer/Documents/
and press ENTER.
Step 3
Still in the Terminal we will continue by creating a Symbolic link to your iTunes “Movies” directory and place this link in the root of your web server by typing the following:
ln -s /[path ti your iTunes Movies folder] Movies
example: ln -s/Volumes/Machintosh HD/users/john/Music/iTunes/Movies Movies
Step 4
Open Safari on your iPhone and visit the address provided when you enabled the Personal Web Sharing in your iPhone followed by /Movies
Example: http://192.168.2.20/Movies/
You will be presented with a text directory listing of all of your iTunes movies. Simply tap on any movie link and it’ll launch QuickTime on the iPhone and play the movie - just like any other video streamed on the web.
Technically if your home internet connection has a high upload speed you could even stream your content over the internet - outside of your local network - assuming your ISP doesn’t block port 80.
Just thought I’d share that with you - it’s a quick and simple thing you can do with no special software required.
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Adding 802.11b/g AX(s) to multi-Airport Extreme 802.11n roaming network

First, a thanks to folks like Tesserax and Bob for the great ideas on this forum -- the questions & answers I've read have helped me to date, though I still have a question!
My home wireless network today consists of:
One fifth-generation AEBS running in 802.11n only (5 GHz) / 802.11n only (2.4 GHz) mode, on channels 149 (automatic)/11 (automatic) -- provides DHCP services
One second-generation AEBS running in 802.11n only (5 GHz) mode, on channel 157 (automatic) -- bridge mode
There is a wired home network with Cat5e and a gigabit switch in the basement. 30 down/5 up DOCSIS 3.0 service through Time Warner Cable, upstream from the fifth-gen AEBS. The AEBS units are connected in roaming mode via Ethernet.
Using the Airport Utility on my iOS devices, I'm getting "excellent" (59-65 Mb/s) connectivity when I am near either of the AEBS units. It is a large brick house built in the 1920s, and while there are now no dead zones in the house, there are areas where I drop down to 10-15 Mb/s per the Airport Utility. Unfortunately, the two AEBSs are at opposite ends of the house near external walls, one on first floor and one on second -- and the first floor rear AEBS needs to be where it is to serve a breakfast room and sunroom, while the home office AEBS needs to be where I have two Ethernet drops as the cable modem and switch are in the basement.
Before I added the fifth-gen AEBS, I had the older AEBS and two 802.11b/g Airport Express (AX) devices, also in roaming mode. I wasn't thrilled with performance, and while performance is much better with the two AEBS model, I'm wondering about the benefits of redeploying my AX devices elsewhere in the house on the roaming network -- on the theory that I should be getting better 802.11g performance from a device close enough to get max speeds than I am from a farther-away 802.11n AEBS.
However, I am concerned about whether adding back in 802.11b/g devices on 2.4 GHz would restrict the performance of my 802.11n network? I am assuming that might happen because I have 802.11n running on both frequencies... if I stepped back on the fifth-gen AEBS to 802.11n only (5 GHz) / 802.11b/g [or a similar setting] on that device, will that help? Or, am I running the risk of other cross-talk or interference -- or simply of my home network devices being befuddled by multiple access points in a single house?
Alternatively, I could try to replace my 802.11b/g AX units with 802.11n ones -- howeever, having just bought a new AEBS this week, that would encounter cross-talk with my Spousal Budgetary Compliance Unit (SBCU) and I could end up crashing the entire household....
Thoughts and ideas appreciated!

If you use the "b/g" AirPort Express devices in a roaming setup, any computers, iPads, etc in close proximity will connect at maximum "g" wireless speeds.
It's really not possible to predict the actual results in advance. The increased wireless coverage might tend to compensate for the lower speeds that would naturally occur due to signal drop off if you did not use the AirPort Express devices at all.
As long as the wireless access points are in a separate room, or separated by 25-30 feet or so from other access points, there should be no confusion that occurs with your laptop trying to connect. It will pick the strongest signal as it moves through the house.
I think the bottom line here is that this is one of those things where you just will not know unless you try. If the Ethernet cabling is already in place, it should not take long for you to find out how things are working.

D-link router DIR-615, Can't access internet with Airport Wireless 802.11B

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Go to your router settings and select "802.11B" ONLY or "802.11 B and G". This will solve the problem. D-link is aware.
I was told they will be coming out with updated firmware to correct the issue.

It's almost better to have a 2nd router for the older B cards anyway because running in multi mode with the 615, it's not a dual band device, so you won't see any speed benefits in G or N. better to run B/G anyway.

Extreme AP doesn't show in 802.11B/G mode

I'm using a macbook pro 2.0ghz, and just bought an 802.11n Airport Extreme.
I have nothing new in software update control panel. I'm running 5.2.1 Airport Utility,
My airport extreme has the green light, and via the ethernet port I can connect to the web.
When I set it to 802.11N, I can see/connect to it wirelessly and get to the web.
When I set it to 802.11B, I can't see the AP, or connect to it via manual join. But I can still connect over ethernet of course.
None of my other laptops/iphone can't see it in 802.11B mode either. I do NOT have closed network enabled, it should be broadcasting for the world.
So what gives? My airport 802.11B base station worked great (I unplugged it during this). But my 802.11N Extreme doesn't seem to work as 802.11B/G, even though it's a selectable option.
Anyone else seeing this?

Although it should change automatically when you change to 802.11b/g, verify that the radio mode is switching to 2.4 GHz.

MacBook loses 802.11b reception

Hello,
since two days, I have a very odd problem with my macbook: after a system crash (computer fell too deep asleep while I was not watching), 802.11b (Airport non-extreme) is hardly working anymore. To be precise:
- connecting the macbook to a 802.11b basestation, or a 802.11b Computer-Computer network works only within 20 cm, and even then it drops the connection every minute
- connection to a 802.11g (Airport Extreme) network is flawless
- the networks are fine; all other computers work ok, as before
Since 802.11b also used to work fine (for a month), I narrowed the issue down to two possibilities:
- the Airport card has two antennas, maybe there's a hardware issue that would only affect the b mode?
- the Airport driver could be somehow messed up, or the card's non-volatile memory (PRAM) in a strange state
I tried installing older drivers (with Pacifist); no change. I reset all things I could imagine (PMU, PRAM, prefs etc.); no change.
Does anyone know how to reset the AIrport card itself? Or have a different idea?
thanks!
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MacBook 1.8 Mac OS X (10.4.8) SMC 1.1 installed

Hi, in fact, disabling the WEP was one of the first things I tried, and for my MacBook and Lucent 802.11b (Orinoco Silver based) basestation (which is by the way compatible with Airport Admin Utility), this doesn't help at all. Security or not, inside about 15 inches of the basestation I get perfect reception (85 with 0 noise on iStumbler), further away it is just gone altogether.
When I use another 802.11b mac as virtual basestation, it's the same thing: the network isn't even seen at a meter away. When I use an Airport Extreme based computer as basestation everything is as smooth as you could want, WEP, WPA or no security at all.
I stick to my analysis that somehow the 802.11b is in a funny state on the MacBook Athereos Airport card, and I'm optimistic that some kind of software reset of the card would bring back full functionality. If only we would know how to do this, or Apple would release a patch!
thanks for all replies,
Niels

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My new C7250 works well with USB and wired ethernet, but fails miserably (prints slowly, if at all) on my wireless 802.11b network. All other devices work well on my wireless network. I've spent many hours with HP and exhausted their first line support. They supposedly have opened a case but I have heard nothing in a week. Meanwhile, I took a network trace using WireShark and it shows a large number of retransmissions. (I'm expert with application/network performance profiling.) All you have to do is browse to http://192.168.1.xxx/ to test transmission -- don't even need to install drivers or printers to see the errors. This problem appears to be with wireless support on the C7250.
Has anyone experienced problems or success with 802.11b on this device? How about 802.11g? I would be willing to upgrade my wireless if I knew that it would resolve the problem.
What does it take to escalate a probem with HP for resolution?

All 2004 and newer wireless HP Inkjet printers are compatible with 802.11g and 802.11b networks (otherwise we couldn't get 802.11g Wi-Fi certification). Besides testing for interoperability, we test for a minimum wireless throughput at the TCP layer.
I'd like to see the internal connectivity report that you can generate by pressing the <setup> and <#> buttons simultaneously. Scan the report to a memory card, copy it to your PC and post the image here.
It will tell me information about your wireless network and other networks in the area.
I have a couple of other questions:
Does the slow printing go away after a power cycling the printer and then does it return later?
Does the slow printing go away after a power cycling the wireless-router and then does it return later?
Are you seeing retransmissions of TCP, 802.3 (ethernet) frames or 802.11 frames? I wasn't sure at what layer you are sniffing the data at?
What make and model 802.11b wireless-router are you using?
Do you have encryption enabled? Does disabling encryption change the speed of printing?
How many wireless PC's (Macs?) to you have on your network? Do they all exhibit slow printing?
Have you changed the default fragmentation settings of your wireless-router?
At home, I routinely get 1.5 Mbytes/sec transfer rates between my 802.11g wireless-routers and my HP printers and about 700 Kbytes/sec in 802.11b mode.
One other thing you can try is to go to the printers internal web page, browse over to the Networking, Wireless, Advanced page and enable the configuration "In an infrastructure network use 802.11b behavior".
Regards / Jim B
Regards / Jim B / Wireless Enthusiasts
( While I'm an embedded wireless systems engineer at work, on this forum I do not represent my former employer, Hewlett-Packard, or my current employer, Microsoft )
+ Click the White Kudos star on the left as a way to say "thank you" for helpful posts.

Airport extreme (802.11n) and airport exress

Hi, I was hoping someone may be able to provide some advice. I am considering upgrading to the AE (802.11n). However, I am fairly certain that I will need to have a second point somewhere in my home to boost the signal. I have an airport express for airtunes purposes and have read that connecting 802.11g to an 802.11n slows down the network, but does anyone have any specifics? Also any idea of distance capabilities for the new AE? I have three floors I need to provide signal to in my home, currently I have it set up with D-link router and a repeater in a dead area.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Hello Kevin Gamarello. Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
I have an airport express for airtunes purposes and have read that connecting 802.11g to an 802.11n slows down the network, but does anyone have any specifics?
Adding "g" devices to a "n" network will reduce the performance slightly, but not all the way down to "g."
Also any idea of distance capabilities for the new AE?
The new 802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBSn) has an advertised range of "up to twice the range of networks created with the earlier 802.11g standard." However "actual performance will vary based on range, connection rate, site conditions, size of network, and other factors. Range will vary with site conditions." In comparison, the earlier 802.11g version had a range of 50' for 802.11g & 150' for 802.11b.

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Hi, I try to expand a Airport-Network which is set up with a Time Capsule (SIM (latest model). I like to use an Airport-Extreme-Basestation to expand the network. The two devices will be connected wireless. In the helpfile there is a explantation how to do this with 802.11n-devices but when it comes to the 802.11b/g-devices it just says I should have a look on the apple support-pages. I do not find anything there.
I tried everything, but it did not work. I've had a Time Capsule (first model) which died some days ago (the well known powersupply problem). With this Time Capsule I did not had any problems to set up a WDS.
What to do?
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Kadege wrote:
Ok Jolly, thank you, but I started this thread to get in contact to somebody who knows the solution, i.e. has done this before.
Jolly Giant wrote:
try automatic
Of course I've already tried this and the other automatics, but it did not work. That is the reason I am asking for help. So I guess I need special settings.
NOT good !
No protection is not good, ok. But I want it to set up and running and after this I can switch on protection to eleminate some mistake-reasons.
WDS-Mode: "remote WDS-Basestation"
when the UFO joins the TC's network this will no longer apply
But this menu exists and the UFO does not join the network, so I have to select any of this settings!
try these steps provided by Tesserax:
Setting Up Time Capsule as a Second Wireless Router
802.11g AirPort Extreme Base Station -> 802.11n Time Capsule
With "mixed" AirPorts, you will need to configure both routers into a Wireless Distribution System (WDS). Your neighbor's AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) will be the main and your Time Capsule (TC) will be the remote base station in this WDS.
To simplify setup, you should connect your TC directly to the AirPort's LAN port by Ethernet. Once the WDS is configured, you can disconnect the TC and place it at the desired location.
The following are the basic configuration steps to create a WDS:
(Note: To facilitate the WDS set up, jot down the AirPort IDs (MAC addresses) for each of the base stations to be used in the WDS. The AirPort ID and is printed on the label on the bottom/side of the base station.)
Main Base Station Setup - AEBS
o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the base station you want to set up as the main base station.
o Open AirPort Utility (located in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder on a Macintosh computer, or in Start > All Programs > AirPort on a computer using Windows).
o Select the main base station, and choose Manual Setup from the Base
Station menu, or double-click the base station to open the configuration in a separate window.
o Enter the base station password if necessary. If the base station is using the
default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
o Click Wireless in the toolbar, and then choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and then choose “WDS main” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
o Select the “Allow wireless clients” checkbox if you want client computer to connect to this base station.
o Click the Add "+" button and enter the AirPort ID of the base station you want to connect to this base station.
o Click Update to send the new settings to the base stations in the WDS.
Remote Base Station Setup - TC
o Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the base station you want to set up as a remote base station.
o Open AirPort Utility (in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder on a Macintosh computer, or in Start > All Programs > AirPort on a computer using Windows).
o Select the remote base station, and choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu.
o Enter the base station password, if necessary. If the base station is using the default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
o Enter the same network password as the main base station, if necessary.
o Click AirPort in the toolbar and click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and choose the same channel as the main base station from the Channel pop-up menu.
o Click WDS and choose “WDS remote” from the pop-up menu.
o Enter the AirPort ID of the main base station in the WDS Main field.
o Click Update to transfer the settings to the base station.
(ref: Pages 42-46 of "Designing AirPort Networks.)
802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station -> 802.11n Time Capsule
o Open AirPort Utility and select the base station that will connect to the Internet.
o Choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu, or double-click the base station to open the configuration in a separate window. Enter the base station password if necessary.
o Click AirPort in the toolbar, and then click Wireless.
o Choose “Create a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then select the “Allow this network to be extended” checkbox.
o Next, select the base station that will extend this network, and choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu, or double-click the base station to open its configuration in a separate window. Enter the base station password if necessary.
o Choose “Extend a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then choose the network you want to extend from the Network Name pop-up menu.
o Enter the base station network and base station password is necessary.
o Click Update to update the base station with new network settings.
does this fix it for you ?
edited by the Jolly Green Giant (where Green stands for environmentally friendly)

Airport card 802.11b sees other networks but NOT my network!

Hi. Having a very strange tech issue today...
I have a 1ghz ti-book that no longer wants to connect or even SEE my home network after waking up from sleep. Up until today there has never been an issue. My home network is distributed via a Netgear 802.11b and g wireless router. Again, I have never ever had any issue whatsoever connecting to my network. WEP is enabled. There are also 6 other computers all connecting to the same network via wireless too. No problems.
The crazy thing is I know the card is still functioning properly because I can still see all the other available networks around in my area. Even when I place the ti-book RIGHT NEXT to the antenna on the netgear router, it refuses to acknowledge that it is there. Meanwhile, it is showing all of my neighbors networks just fine!
The only variable in this equation is that the hinge of the display is damaged, such that it won't stay open "by itself". The display normally has to be propped up against something. The machine works fine otherwise, no issues. The weak bezel breaking is an issue that many ti-book owners faced and it has been broken for a LONG time with no performance issues at all. The only thing I can think of is that maybe the wire to the antenna for the Airport card goes up the side of the display and somehow the wire is damaged or frayed. I don't know if this is how the ti-book was designed....does anyone know? Specifically, if the wire for the airport card runs along inside the case of the display on the 15 inch 1ghz ti-book?
If it does not...and it seems like it is not hardware damage to the cable because how else could I still be getting other networks but not my own...then I am stumped as to how to trick my machine into recognizing the network again. I have done the basic things such as booting into single user mode and rebuilding my index, logging in as root and other users to see if the preferences were corrupt, and even installing a bunch of wifi wardriving apps to force recognition of my network and still nothing!
Again the machine is right next to the access point, so what is causing it to no longer "see" it? I also updated the firmware in the router and checked configurations but no changes have been made and all the other machines work fine. Also it has NEVER done this before so I don't know how to troubleshoot it!
*What would cause an airport card to reject the signal that it is configured to connect to? How should I go about getting it to see the network again...without reconfiguring the network which would mean having to update all the other machines, etc.* I have macstumbler and istumble running and they see PLENTY of networks except for the closest one. It is so bizarre. It was working when I went to bed and now today, no network. I have rebooted numerous times, etc.
please help!! i need some ideas!!!
thanks!

a somewhat in depth search across the interwebs has lead me to the conclusion that this problem is also affecting Leopard users as well. (I am on old hardware and running the latest Tiger) To be honest, I can not remember if there was an Apple update right before this problem started to happen. However, it seems real enough and many users out there are having problems re-connecting to their home/work networks after waking from sleep.
just to clarify:
Using a ti-book with normal airport card installed (b not g)
Connected to a Netgear wireless router (configured to manage both b and g traffic)
WEP 64bit encryption key is being used for network
No problems whatsoever until a few days ago
what works:
unplugging the power to the Netgear router (cycling power)
what doesn't work:
waking from sleep
restarting
manually entering network name and password
using 3rd party apps to find network
resetting/deleting Network location preferences and creating new one
deleting AppleAirPort2.kext from /System/Library/Extensions/
using either Diagnostic or Assistant mode to reconnect from scratch
it should NOT be this difficult to solve a networking issue. what is going on here?

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