ALE delta Generic Extraction on Z table

Hi All,
I am doing generic extraction on a Z table (Custom table).I want to run delta on this. But there is no delta specific field in this table.
Now I want to use ALE delta method for this.
I got following information from SDN
1. It is possible for only master data attribute data sources as it does not capture deletion of record.
2. It can be based on one or more delta specific field.
Follow below steps in order to create ALE delta method for generic DS
1. Go to RSO2
2. create mater data attribute DS
3. Give all details like App Comp , description & table / view name
4. Menu -> Data Source -> ALE Delta -> give table name & Change doc. object for that table. Save
5. Click on Generic delta & choose Numeric pointer under delta specific field.
Now my questions are
1. Can I use ALE delta method for an Z table? As I am not able to find any Z table in Menu -> DS -> ALE delta & Change doc. object for Z table.
2. Is it possible only for master data DS not for transaction datasource?
3. Is it possible only when generic DS is created on table not on view?
4. How to create Change doc. object for Z table (transaction SCDO)?
Any help will be appreciated
Thanks

Beside the steps done in RSO2, you have to create your own Change doc. object in t-code TCDOB and generate the update
program there. Then call this pgm when you update the source table. more details can be found in below link.
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/ABAP/Change+Document

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https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/84bf4d68-0601-0010-13b5-b062adbb3e33
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The purpose of a security interval is to make the system take into consideration records that appear during the extraction process but which remain unextracted (since they have yet to be saved) during the next extraction.
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A security interval should only be specified for the lower limit when the delta method results in a new status for changed records, in other words, when the status is overwritten in BW. In this case, duplicate data records that could arise in such a safety interval have no affect on BW.
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source: help.sap.com
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