All included(exept drop frames)

Hi all,
I did my 1st ever music video only using my mc book pro. (i actually forgot my external hard drive to do my normal job as a musician).
it was actually pretty fun to do both video and music only with the webcam and the built in mike of the laptop.
I only used what was in the machine, no outboard gears, goin' back and forth between I Movie and logic pro, after recording thru photo booth.
there:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDigitalwarz?feature=mhum
i still had a problem though: frame drop between i movie and logic.
(meaning i was not on the same clock lock everytime)
it costed me lots of time relocking the 'beat'.
Any Ideas?
Cheers

FWIW, posting in the right forum will mean that more people that are familiar with your software applications will see your post, thereby increasing your chances of getting proper advice in a timely manner.
And since you're using iMovie, you should probably post this question in the appropriate iMovie forum - they are located here: http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=141
That said, if you had been using one of the Pro video apps (FCE or FCP) the answer would probably be to make sure the format, audio sampling rate and bit depth of the audio matches that of the Sequence settings. In most cases it would be AIFF, 48khz, 16 bit. However, iMovie works completely different from the Pro apps so that may not make a difference.
-DH

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  • All included(exept frame drops)

    Hi all,
    since i ve been told i was in the wrong forum by some ubber poster, here i go again.
    I did my 1st ever music video only using my mc book pro. (i actually forgot my external hard drive to do my normal job as a musician).
    it was actually pretty fun to do both video and music only with the webcam and the built in mike of the laptop.
    I only used what was in the machine, no outboard gears, goin' back and forth between I Movie and logic pro, after recording thru photo booth.
    there:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDigitalwarz?feature=mhum
    i still had a problem though: frame drop between i movie and logic.
    (meaning i was not on the same clock lock everytime)
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    Any Ideas?
    Cheers

    FWIW, posting in the right forum will mean that more people that are familiar with your software applications will see your post, thereby increasing your chances of getting proper advice in a timely manner.
    And since you're using iMovie, you should probably post this question in the appropriate iMovie forum - they are located here: http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=141
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    -DH

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