AME merging audio channels

I have mxf clips with two channels of audio recorded on different microphones. The channels contain different content so I want to keep them separate. Media encoder (and every other transcoder that I have tried) merges the two channels into two identical channels. The only choices are mono (only gives me one channel), stereo (does the merging), and 5.1 (not appropriate).
Is there some way to convert the clips to Apple ProRes and keep the channels independent?
Thanks in advance for the help.

Catherine,
I've learned that this is a result of the fact that XDCAM is interpreted by default as split mono. The only option I've found within PPRO/AME to preserve the two original audio streams as separate channels is what I suggested earlier: drop the content onto a sequence in PPRO and use the Audio Mixer to put Audio 1 entirely on one channel and Audio 2 on the other.
A colleague suggested setting the source to Stereo through the Modify Clip dialog (in PPRO, right-click the clip, Modify>Audio Channels). I tried a few tests of that option in CS5.5 with no success, but that's not my area, so user error is an entirely plausible explanation.
I've entered two related feature requests that would enable AME users to avoid mixing streams without going through PPRO.

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Merged clips and modified audio channels bug/issue

My problem is that if I create a merged clip and modify it's audio channels Premiere (both CC and CC2014) does not respect the modification under specific circumstances. These circumstances are: if I use keyboard shortcuts or the source window buttons for overwrite/insert to cut the merged clip into a timeline. However, if I drag & drop the clip from the source window or from a bin into the timeline Premiere will respect the audio channels set through modify audio channels.
Here are steps needed to create my problem. You will need a video clip and an audio clip with at least two channels to reproduce this.
1. Create a merged clip from the video and audio. Does not matter if you have "Remove audio from AV clip" enabled or not.
2. Right click on the merged clip in the bin and select Modify -> Audio Channels.
3. Set the merged clip's audio channels to Number of Audio Tracks: 1, Channel Format: Mono. Set the source channel for Audio 1 to anything except Channel 1. Click OK.
4. Make sure you have the merged clip open in the source monitor. Use keyboard shortcuts (. or ,) or the insert/overwrite buttons in the source monitor to cut the clip into a sequence.
5. The merged clip in the sequence will use channel 1 for audio, even though it has been set to use another channel.
6. Now try drag & dropping the merged clip from either the source monitor or from a bin into the sequence. It will now use the audio channel that has been set through modify audio channels.
My workaround is to use drag & drop for now for affected clips, but in the long run this is a pain in the backside.
My question is if this is something that affects other users as well. And while I'm waiting for a fix, if anyone has any suggestions on how to get modified audio channels to work properly, I will gladly listen.
I have filed a bug report for this. I have reproduced this on multiple Windows 7 machines with Premiere Pro CC and on two Macs with both CC and CC 2014.
EDIT to add: I have been in discussion with Rameez from Adobe about this through the support chat and have been told that this is working as intended. He suggested I post a thread about it to see how other editors feel about the functionality. I personally feel that the way it works now makes no sense at all. If others feel the same way, maybe this issue can be fixed in a future update. So please make your voice heard.
EDIT to add: In most usage this might not be an issue at all. But if for example you have external audio on multiple channels and to make sure you have a clean timeline, you wish to remove extra tracks from your merged clips and those extra tracks happen to be any track before the last one(s), you will find that editing the merged clip in in any other way than drag & dropping it in the sequence will result in you losing those last tracks instead of any tracks in the middle that you have disable through modify audio channels. I would think that the audio channel modifications should work no matter what way you cut the merged clip in.
Message was edited by: Jaakko Rinne

Going to try, but here is my workflow and have not encountered any problems until this last P/U days footage. I've been doing things this way because I found having all files in the project was causing it to crash constantly when I was working. I have a new I7' processor IMac with 24 gigs of RAM. And since Premiere does not allow you to have multiple projects open at the same time (Wish this would change. Avid and FCP both allowed multiple projects) I have to do things this way.
Pre-workflow Project File
Label all Video and Audio files to match Scene #'/Takes
Set in points on all video and audio to reflect slate
Merge Clips
Working Project File
Import only Merged Clips into Project. Either via import or copy/paste
Now I've done this workflow from just about the very beginning. Deleting all of the original source video and all audio clips from my working project so only my bins containing my merged clips remain. Have had no problems and edit has been smooth. Did a pickup day last week, followed same steps as I've done in the past, imported the merged clips into my working project and the clips have the audio set to none by default. Now once I go into the sequence I can manually set it and it's there but I cannot play audio in the source monitor which is how I edit, there's no reason I should have to go back to the crappy FCP way of editing doing the copy and paste from a sequence.

When I merge clips the number of audio channels double

I have a .mov file from my 5diii that has stereo audio and a .wav mono file from my audio recorder.
When I drag a clip into a bin (for sorting) it merges the clip.
That merged clip now has 6 audio channels instead of 3.
It also happens if I select them and just choose merge from the menu.
Anyone know what's going on with this?

Simply dragging a clip to a bin shouldn't be merging anything. I've never heard of that behavior, and suspect some observer error on that one.
Do you intend to use the original camera audio?

Additional audio channels being imported with XML from FCP. Merged Clips. Out of Sync

Problem
When I import an XML Interchange Format V5 file from FCP7 and then import into Premiere Pro CC, my merged clips now have 4 audio channels. 2 from the original file and 2 from the merged audio.
Versions
FCP 7
Premiere Pro CC 7.2
Workflow
* Create merged clips in FCP
     * ProRes Video clip with camera audio
     * Stereo audio clip
     * Sync in Timeline
     * Delete unneeded audio tracks, reducing track on video clip to 1 mono track, centered
     * Drag to browser
* Export XML Interchange V5
* Open Premiere
* Import XML Interchange File
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     * Clips now have 4 tracks of audio
     * Tracks 1-2 are audio from the original Video clip
     * Tracks 3-4 are audio from the synced second source audio file
     * Additionally, tracks 1-2 are now OUT OF SYNC
I cannot find a way around this. Clips now all have out of sync indicators on them. Merged audio is insync, and original audio is out of sync.
I do not want to have to resync all of my audio, everything is tagged and organized into bins.
Anybody know why this happens and a workaround?

Ha ha, an excellently wry comparison.
I'm using photo-jpeg because it was reccomended to me as a way to achieve greater image quality when exporting within the confines of youtube.

Feature Request: Modify Audio Channels from the Timeline in Premiere CC.1

Why have we never been able to modify audio channels once a clip is added to a sequence? I'm guessing there's a good reason Adobe has never had this feature. The lack of this feature is explicitly mentioned a few times in the audio section of the Premiere Pro CC manual, as if it's a benefit NOT to have it. But the benefit is entirely lost on me.
In my workflow, I synchronize my double-system video and audio before anything else. I do this in PluralEyes (and unfortunately I'll have to keep doing it this way, until PPr's sync on sound feature gets fixed—for me it's never worked).
Once PluralEyes has synched hours of footage and audio and placed it on a PLURALEYES GENERATED sequence, I import that sequence into Premiere. Note: Since I haven't gone through the step of creating a blank New Sequence, I don't get the opportunity to setup my audio channels the way I'd like in my sequence (i.e. Stereo recordings should occupy ONE track, not two. Typically these tracks come from a camcorder and are used for reference sound, or ambient noise at best, so I don't need them taking up precious real estate in my sequence).
Since PluralEyes doesn't merge my clips for me (or rather I don't want it to since I'm usually doing multi-cam sequences where I want to keep all 14, or so, tracks of audio), I have to go through the clips one by one and do a Merge Clip action once I've adjusted any minor sync issues, or determined which tracks I actually want to keep. But, and here's the key, at this stage I'm not yet 100% certain whether I'll use the nat sound or the wireless mic sound (separate audio recorder, etc). Furthermore, I don't really want to think about that at this point. After I've spent a few mind-numbing hours just ingesting files, sync and merges, I want to jump into the edit as soon as possible, before I lose all will to finish this edit. If I modify my audio channels right now, I'll lose the ability to make some creative decisions later on.
I'd like to start whacking out an assembly edit. And then after I have a rough program, I can start looking at which audio tracks (nat or double-system) I like better in each circumstance. This is where I become stumped that at this stage, I'm locked into whatever audio channels I've setup (or not) in the earliest stage of the edit, back before any media was actually on the timeline! It's at this stage, and usually only at this stage that I want to start Modifying Channels—FROM THE TIMELINE!
Does anyone else feel the same? If not, what is your workflow?
Feature Summary: Right-click on any clip, (master clip, sub-clip, merged, nested or otherwise) in the timeline and choose Modify > Audio Channels.
I've submitted a feature request, with a link back to this discussion, so please pipe in—especially if you want this feature.

Maybe its your specific workflow, asset mangement and use of a 3rd party application that runs you into an issue.
Take Pluraleyes out of the equation, I would imagine my workflow is the same as most everyone else. Find footage in the Media Browser. Import it. Create a Sequence and start editing. Use the Source Monitor to set Ins and Outs and then Insert the clip on the timeline.
At this point, if the audio needs to be modified, it cannot be done on the Timeline. The workaround, of course, is to Find Clip in Project; Modify Audio in the Project panel; then do a Matchframe to replace the audio clip. This works, but requires many steps per clip. Also, Matchframe in Premiere Pro CC is not reliable.
Introducing a new Modify Audio (from Timeline) feature as seen in the fantasy screenshot above would solve it.
I dont use Pluraleyse ...which I understand to be a synching aid...so I dont know the workflow it imposes on one .
Returning to Pluraleyes workflow, this issue is compounded by the need to Modify almost ALL audio. Every stereo track is separated and placed on two MONO tracks taking up precious real estate. This is not something Pluraleyes imposes. It is due to the way Premiere imports XML timelines. This would apply to sequences imported from Final Cut as well.
In this case it would be ideal to select both the LEFT and RIGHT mono tracks and choose "Modify > Audio Channels > Merge L/R Mono to a Single Stereo track." Ideal? No. I guess Ideal would be if Premiere would interpret XML files properly in the first place.
What actually is the issue with Premieres synch and merge workflow in your case?
Audio Sync in Premiere Pro doesn't work. Period.

How to link video and audio channels of multiple clips

Importing iMovie08 sequence via XML ends up with unlinked video and audio channel (only one of the stereo channels; see other post).
It is possible to link each clips audio and video track individualy.
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Dennis Connors wrote:
1. After selecting the in points on main audio and one of two video tracks, the "merge clips" is greyed. Yes,in case you're wondering, the audio is on the HD.
Your use of language is confusing me I'm afraid. You opened the AIFF file and set an IN then opened a QuickTime movie and set and IN and then with them both selected in the Browser (and the Browser the active window) that you cannot select Modify->Merge Clips... ?
I wasn't wondering anything about your audio, but now I'm wondering "What does 'the audio is on the HD' mean?"
2. The other issue is that the starting point is silent, so the only I know how to find the actual beginning is by counting frames back from the first sound. Is that what I have to do? Is would seem to me that there must be a "marker" that's not and "in" or "out" that will allow me to merge the tracks. No?
If you set an IN point in two clips you can merge them using the Merge Clips... command with the in points option. The IN points you choose can be anywhere and for anything. They can be where the clapper hits and sounds, they can be where a drum stick hits a cymbal, they can be where someone is clapping, they can be where a body falls from a building onto the sidewalk... Anything that helps you sync the sound with picture.

Import Audio Channels from another Song? How to??

Hello,
I recorded a couple of songs with a real drumset. I mixed the first song and created a lot of channel->bus->aux->bus routing for the drumset with compressors, eqs, space designers etc. So all my drums running thru the busses, fx, etc, to one final bus. I used 12 audio tracks, 11 busses and 5 auxes to do that. The drumsound is quite nice, and because we recorded all songs with the same drumset and miking, I want to have that routing in all the other songs (arranges) too, where we have already recorded all the different guitars and stuff.
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How to copy that set of audio-tracks, busses and auxes to the other songs???
Saving all channels as channel strips and reload them in the other songs is a lot of work, because it doesent remember the levels and pannings, and in most of the other songs I have not all the needed auxes and busses in the audio-environment. sometimes, they are already used by other instruments (guitars, etc...)
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Logic manual: Aha! Import environment!!
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Uups: Still the wrong settings: I dont want DeEssers on my toms!!!
I tried to import environment->merge, but then i got really big chaos. Lots of useless channels, still the wrong settings...
I clicked undo:
Uuuuups!!! All my channels are gone, the whole arrangement is set to "No Output" objects... :-((
Tried again with import envirmonment->update: less chaos, but still the wrong settings. DeEssers on Toms. Grrrr!
About two hours passed now without success just to do that simple thing: How can i copy my audio-channels to the other songs???
any help is greatly appreciated!
thanx!
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Thanx to the northpole for reply!
I think the folders only contains audio/midi regions but no information about the assigned environment objects like busses, auxes, etc...
I dont want to copy the audio regions, just the mixer setup with the specific channels and busses.
regards!

Get 4 audio channels out through SDI whit BlackMagic UltraStudio Express

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We have some issues with the Blackmagic UltraStudio Express and Premiere Pro.
We need to get out 4 audio channels through SDI for different broadcast and news feeds. We can't do that with the UltraStudio Express on different Mac Book Pro (one on OS 10.9 and one on 10.8.5) with Premiere pro CC and Premiere pro CS6. (We have try with the driver 9.9.3 and 9.6.8). The only thing we manage to monitor out of the UltraStudio is 2 audio channels.
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I'm delivering a project where the first step is to generate an HD Cam SR master, which I will be doing at a post-production lab. They will then do a QC check for me. To generate this HD Cam SR master, they need to me to bring in my 98-minute long movie on a firewire hard drive, in five equal parts -- QuickTime files. From these five QT files, the lab will then be creating an HD Cam SR master that will have...
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b) And does anyone know the most efficient way to combine timeline audio tracks for this purpose? I have my dialogue sitting on the first FOUR audio tracks, actually. To deliver this film, I'll need to crush these four audio tracks to two, as listed above. I could generate an AIFF file, I suppose, import it back onto the timeline, sync it up, and then re-export along with the visuals to make the final QT file, but this seems like a generation loss.
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Click on your master timeline and press cmd+0 (zero) to bring up Sequence Settings, then click on the Audio Outputs tab on the right. Click on the Outputs option and change it to 6. You can leave them as Stereo pairs.
Now, back on your timeline, you need to make sure all your audio is organised so each track. A1, A2, A3, A4 etc has all the relevant media on it.
Then, on the left of the timeline you see the Destination toggle buttons, then you see the Padlocks to lock tracks, then you have the Toggle Auto Select squares. If you right-click on the Toggle Auto Select squares you bring up a little sub-menu, at the top of this list you'll see Audio Outputs, which will show the stereo channels for that particular track. As you've changed the number of Audio Outputs in the Sequence Settings, the list will show: 1&2, 3&4, 5&6. You just tick whichever channels you want.
In your case, you have dialogue on the first 4 tracks, no problem, just go down through tracks 1,2,3 and 4 as described above and assign these to Audio Outputs 1&2.
Then just go down through your music and effects audio tracks and assign them accordingly.
Now, when you export your timeline as a self-contained media file, it will have different audio channels.
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Otherwise, I have had problems in the past based on a user's particular playback settings/hardware/etc., and they may only be able to hear one channel or the other (only hearing voice or music). If I can put a mono mix on the right and a mono mix on the left, then I am covered.
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