AME vs AE's own render queue ?

Like it says on the box - which is better?
Bet somone comes up with a nice informative link...

Another important difference between the AE render queue and AME as I just read on an Andrew Yoole post.
3.Andrew Yoole,
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Jun 8, 2012 6:34 PM in reply to pkaracas
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As the other guys have said, don't use AE to render using temporal codecs. Temporal codecs like H264 rely on storing partial frames based on earlier information. AE renders and encodes one frame at a time, so most of the efficiency of a codec like H264 is lost. The result is that you get much lower overall quality from an AE h.264 render than if you were to encode it externally.
Adobe Media Encoder or Quicktime 7 will encode great quality H.264 files

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I am unable to set the "Format" and "Format options" for video in output module settings programatically using After effects apis.
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Please suggest the suitable api to do so.
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Hi Namita,
I am experiencing the same problem.
I am using AE CC SDK, and I am unable to change the outputmodule format to any of the other movie format types (mov, mpg, flv, etc.).
It is always set to "avi"
I even compiled and ran the Queuebert example in the SDK, and there I get the same problem: the path extension is always left on ".avi"
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FAQ: Why doesn't AVI appear as an export format in the Render Queue?

[For information on rendering and exporting, see "Basics of rendering and exporting".]
On Windows versions of After Effects, AVI appears listed with the more comprehensive name, "Video for Windows". In fact, it's the format specified by the default Output Module template. The Format Options button will reveal the AVI/VfW codecs available on your system.
On Mac systems, AVI/Video for Windows is not available as a direct export option (except through the File > Export path, which is really not recommended). Export a lossless intermediate file from the Render Queue instead (for example, a Quicktime file). You can then use a number of converter applications (including Quicktime Pro, for example) to convert this intermediate file to an AVI file.

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So I figured out my own problem. For anyone else who might happen upon this thread, hope this helps.
At the lab they must have C4D Full (or whatever the full version is called), and at home thru CC I only have Lite. That's why there's no render queue and no ability to set a filename or filetype within C4D.
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No, the culprits were probably some programming team at Adobe (and I just love how Adobe reps never respond to threads about issues, instead leaving unpaid forum members to do their jobs); I used all 48k Stereo .wav files in my project.
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Hey guys,
So every time I attempt to add my composition to the render queue (media encoder) it always just results in my AE crashing and it does not get exported to Media Encoder. Any solutions to this?
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No idea why because I don't know anything about your OS or your version of AE or your project. Try this. Create a new AE project that is 8 bit. Create a new standard HD comp that is 10 seconds long. Add a shape layer or a text layer or a solid to the project. Save your project and then see if you can add it to the AME. If you can, then there's something in your composition that is causing the problem and you need to give us a complete description of what is in the composition. The easiest way to do that is select all of the layers in your timeline and press the U key twice to reveal all changed properties or added effects. Then post a screenshot. If you project contains pre-comps then a flow chart and the timelines from he nested comps will also help.

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I have been asking alot of questions regarding HD - see my other posts:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/428077?tstart=0
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/428858?tstart=0
..and I did read this:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AfterEffects/9.0/WS8FEBCF80-821A-43ad-BA00-05D522F59750.
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when im in the output module and i go to format options (this is where I am to choose "same as source" right?
Well I do that (Same as source flash 8 or higher) and thats cool. but
when I then change the bitrate to 7,000, it becomes a custom preset and
no longer reads "Same as source flash 8 or higher"...
Don't worry. When you take an existing preset as a starting point and customize even a single aspect, it's no longer the same as the original preset. But the important thing is that you used that as a starting point. In particular, the important part is that this preset makes sure AME keeps the frame size in the After Effects' Comp size, instead of asking it to change it in the Render Queue.
whats the deal with the advanced settings where "undershoot" is set to
90 and quality is set to good. Should I mess with those? I would
imagine I would want to change good to best
Don't worry about that. The presets in Adobe Media Encoder are (or should be!) designed to aknowledge that not everyone is an encoding specialist. There's no need for you to deal with every obscure parameter out there. The preset you picked is good to get HD resoltuion at web data rates, so you're only raising the data rate for that purpose. It becomes a custom preset only in the sense that it's not exactly the same as the original. The reason why there isn't a preset with a higher data rate to begin with, is because... you probably would prefer H264 encoding for that. The main reasons to avoid H264 were player compatibility (it'll be less and less an issue now that Flash supports it) and the processing power required to play it at HD resolutions.
It's important to realize that all HD content that is broadcast is
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This is all true, Rick.
But it can also make him (or humans in general ) feel like this is terribly complicated. Which of course it can be, but there will be plenty of time for dealing with that. In some contexts, illusion of progressive and true progressive are almost the same thing. Things like PsF (progressive segmented frames) used for this... are progressive from the point of view of perception (even if the container is not) and also from the point of view of rendering a file from After Effects. The clever tricks come later, and they could even be somebody else's problem
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FYI, I have a zillion year old MacBook (plastic computer - remember those) that meets the minimum system requirements of an Intel processor and 2GB ram. It's old and runs CS6 just fine as long as I just do the basics and keep the preview resolution down to about 1/4. I would not try and render production work on that system because it's not up to the task and I'd never expect it to be a production machine. I do use it often when I don't want to drag an expensive machine around with me on my travels.
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Multiprocessing works for RAM preview, extremely slow and aeselflink crashes when in Render Queue

Hello all,
System specs:
Hackintosh
OSX 10.9
3.5Ghz (overclocked to 4.2Ghz) Core i7
Geforce GTX 580 classified 3GB Cuda GPU
AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB Display GPU
32 GB of RAM
System SSD
5 drive internal RAID
After Effects CC 12.2.1.5
Cuda drivers up to date
I'm having a problem with the render queue and multiprocessing. I have a moderate sequence with several effects and 3D layers. When I'm working in the composition, everything goes great. I can RAM preview and all my CPU cores will kick up to 100% and render the composition in no time all; with full resolution with no skipped frames. It works fantastically.
Then when I go to render the exact same composition with the same multiprocessing settings, AE will hang at the "initializing background processes" for at least 5-10 minutes, during which the CPU will ramp up to 100% but no frames will be rendered. AE still remains responsive, as I can hit the stop or pause buttons and the queue will be cancled. But then the aeselflink processes (up to 8 of them depending on my settings, I've tried several) will still continue at 100% cpu load even with AE not set to render anything. I will have to go into the activity monitor and force quit each process. If I leave it for 5-10 minutes, it will finally stop initalizing and start the render, but the CPU will still run at 100% but the frames will crawl slowly forward at about 1 frame per minute, with an estimated 28 hours to render frames that were rendering in under a minute during RAM preview.
I have tried both reducing the number of cores AE will use, adjusting the allocated RAM, and disabling multiprocessing alltogether. When I disable multiprocessing, the render slows to a complete crawl, and it will render around 1 frame every 5-10 seconds. Again, this is on a composition that rendered in less than a minute on full resolution with RAM preview.
The only way to get this composition to render is to export it to Media Encoder, which will render it (without multicore processing, unfortunately) in about 8 minutes, still not the blazing fast RAM preview but at least it finishes it in under 3.5 hours (the amount of time that the multiprocessing disabled render in AE will take).
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Hi Rick, not sure if you saw the part where I said please don't reply with turning off Multiprocessing, and I did not say that it works and is effective in all areas. However, if you actally take the time to read my post, you will definately notice that RAM preview with multiprocessing takes under a minute to render a scene. Multiprocessing disabled and rendered in AE takes 3.5 hours. In Media Encoder it takes around 8 minutes. Clearly it IS working and IS effective for my case and my rig. Any vendettas against MP does not help my situation at all.

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David -
Yeah, I tried that one, but it still had a file size that was far from manageable. But, I did find the setting through the RENDER QUEUE. But thanks anyway.
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> That option is only there for reasons I don't understand
We agree. We even took it out recently.
We have always recommended the workflow that Rick recommended. Here's the relevant snippet from the Help document:
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