Amount of data sent is unexplainable
I am using an iphone 4 and the amount of data sent by the phone in the background is unexplainable and it costs me alot. It happens even if I am not browsing on the internet or downloading anything. I there a way to restrict this? What data is sent in the background?
Have you tried double-clicking the home button and closing all the apps that use an Internet connection? Also, your preferences for Mail might have it checking and downloading automatically.
I once started a live CNN video feed on Wi-fi, then pressed the home button, put my phone to sleep and went somewhere. That night, I'd used 480 MB in one day - it was still streaming it in the background!
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How to determine amount of data sent/received by partner
Here is our situation. We have PI 7.0 running. Now we want to charge back to our internal users based on the amount of data sent or received. Does anyone know where or if the size of the messages are stored; we would like to get the data by receiver.
This seems like a simple thing, but I have not been able to find anything on this topic.
Thanks,
RichRich,
in RWB => Performance monitoring you can filter per interface / receiver / sender / etc.
All information is available there (size, timestamp, runtime, ...)
Also you can easily exort data too.
Check it.
Regards,
Kai
Edited by: Kai Lerch-Baier on Mar 20, 2009 3:14 PM -
IPhone using extremely high amounts of data when not in use
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Similar data usage occurred almost every night going back to 12/28/11. On 12/29 I was charged for 468MB at 12:21am. Very unlikely this was actually data I used since I had work the next day and wasn't awake. It honestly looks like 80-85% of my data usage is coming from these occurrences. It also isn't likely that this is a total of data used throughout the day as there are other entries of smaller amounts spread out throughout the day.
Now, if I was on a truly unlimited plan and there was no such thing as throttling I really wouldn't care about this. But the fact is that my 3G speeds are being throttled (just ran speed test at a location I used to get over 1Mbps and I am was at .07 Mbps). I have spoken to AT&T and they insisted it was an issue w/ my phone, either the hardware or the OS. So I went to apple and the "Genius" did a DFU restore for me in store and told me that would fix it. It hasn't and now I'm stuck with this constantly happening and unbearably slow 3G data speeds for the rest of the month.
That was my last billing cycle where I was throttled down to download speeds of .07mbps. Unusable. This month I decided to closely monitor my data usage. I turned off iCloud and photostream, and turn off data whenever I'm using wifi. I turned off the sending info to apple setting.
I checked my account on ATT.com today and noticed that yesterday morning at 7:58 am while driving to work I somehow used 247 MB. Don't ask me how, I'm not steaming anything and my phone is either locked or playing music from the iPod app. I could probably stream Netflix for 5 hours and not use that much data.
I called AT&T to let them know (AGAIN) and got bumped up to a "Data manager" who was incredibly b*tchy and rude. She said there must be some app that's using that much data to update. I don't have any apps that are even that size so I don't see how this could possibly be the case. I tried to talk with her about how that can't really be the case and she just kept repeating that there must be some app using the data blah blah. I've gone to apple with this last month after failing with AT&T and at first they did a DFU restore and we restored the phone as new, then it kept happening so I went back they replaced my phone. AT&T said it must be a hardware or software issue last month, but this month it must be an app that's doing this. I can't get a straight answer from them and they just keep passing the ball to say it's Apple's problem.
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Regards,
KasparHello,
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As BDaqua points out...
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Hey guys,
I just switched to Mac (and I love it ;)) and now I am searching for a mail program to host my office pop mail account. I get normally around 5000 messages / month, totalling over 3GB, mostly pictures.
Can Mail handle the amount of data, or will it corrupt my inbox?
Am I asking because under Windows, OE couldn't handle the amount of data, neither could Thunderbird before the update to 1.5.Hi Ernie,
Thanks for your ideas.
more below:
Mick,
The only place I know for sure that discusses this,
can be found at:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25812
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information that I would ever attach to send. Of
course some On My Mac mailboxes are archiving both
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areas.
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My own Mail folder is in excess of 5 GB, and my
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Is each folder created "On My Mac" one mbox?
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/* code for nio write model referenced from:
* http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=11&thread=530825
class NIOWriteHandler {
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private SelectionKey localSelectionKey;
NIOWriteHandler(SelectionKey currentKey) {
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System.out.println("value of len: " + len);
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import java.util.*;
import java.io.*;
import java.nio.charset.*;
import java.nio.channels.*;
import java.nio.*;
import java.nio.ByteBuffer;
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/* args 0 - the IP of the machine to connect to
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Simple client that connects to a specified IP & port, takes a line
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Error handling and such isn't accounted for.
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ps.println(data);
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System.out.println(returned);
returned = buffRead.readLine();
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socket.close();
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import java.net.*;
import java.util.*;
import java.io.*;
import java.nio.charset.*;
import java.nio.channels.*;
import java.nio.*;
public class ServerTestNonBlock {
/* args 0 - the IP of the machine to connect to
args 1 - the port number
Simple client that connects to a specified IP & port, takes a line
of input via stdin, sends that to the connected machine and prints
out the response.
Error handling and such isn't accounted for.
public static void main (String args[]) throws Exception{
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(args[0], Integer.parseInt(args[1]));
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sc.configureBlocking(false);
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System.out.println("Starting connection...");
sc.connect(addr);
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System.out.println("Connection established..");
Charset charset = Charset.forName("ISO-8859-1");
CharsetEncoder encoder = charset.newEncoder();
sc.register(selector, SelectionKey.OP_READ | SelectionKey.OP_WRITE);
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continue;
Set keys = selector.selectedKeys();
Iterator it = keys.iterator();
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// time to setup read
ByteBuffer incomingData =
ByteBuffer.allocateDirect(102000);
incomingData.clear();
int count;
while ((count = sc.read(incomingData)) > 0) {
System.out.println("Value of count: " + count);
// reading the data
System.out.println("Count value: " + count);
int pos = incomingData.position();
incomingData.flip();
CharBuffer content = charset.decode(incomingData);
String inData = content.toString();
System.out.println(inData.trim());
System.out.println("[CLIENT]End server response");
System.out.println("Count value: " + count);
System.out.println("Position value: " + pos);
//sc.close();
//break;
if (selKey.isWritable()) {
BufferedReader stdin = new BufferedReader
(new InputStreamReader(System.in));
System.out.println("[CLIENT]Data to send: ");
String data = stdin.readLine();
ByteBuffer byteBufferOut = encoder.encode
(CharBuffer.wrap(data));
int length = sc.write(byteBufferOut);
System.out.println("Wrote: " + length + " bytes.");
selKey.interestOps(SelectionKey.OP_READ);
}I'm kinda stuck at the moment and am making change for the sake of change without getting a good grasp of what is going on. If anyone can provide any help that'd be fantastic. If in the mean time I figgure something out i'll post a response.
If you've gotten this far thanks a bunch for reading :)
Cheers,
PeteHi Meesum,
thanks for the reply :)
I'm not convinced this is the error - as i've got two clients listed there, and the odd behaviour from both is that neither is getting through to the last of the data that is sent.
If the null were the problem (which is only checked for in the basic dumb blocking client) i'd be expecting some sort of infinite loop or wait for more data from the server, not an abnormal termination (ala connection reset) from the server. I'll give it a shot anyhow, but I know that under a blocking write operation that that code worked fine.
Thanks again though for the post, has got some of my cogs slowly turning :)
Cheers,
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CLOSE c_cff;
END;
Thanks you very much for any advice
Edited by: reid on Sep 11, 2008 5:23 PMAssuming that there is nothing else in the code that forces you to use PL/SQL for processing, I'll second Tubby's comment that this would be better done in SQL. Depending on the logic and partitioning approach for the archive table, you may be better off doing a direct-path load into a staging table and then doing a partition exchange to load the staging table into the partitioned table. Ideally, you could just move big_tbl into the vb_archive_tbl with a single partition exchange operation.
That said, if there is a need for PL/SQL, have you traced the session to see what is causing the slowness? Is the query plan different? If the number of rows in the table is really a trigger, I would tend to suspect that the number of rows is causing the optimizer to choose a different plan (with your sample code, the plan is obvious, but perhaps you omitted some where clauses to simplify things down) which may be rather poor.
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