An HDV discovery

I'm fighting through a small HDV project right now. Yes, it doesn't deal with camera movement well, yadda yadda yadda...
I just spent an hour on the phone with AJA support as I was looking for some answer regarding my Kona2 and how it deals with HDV. The tech support guy I spoke with asked me if timecode was crucial for delivery. It isn't for this particular project. He told me to run a test using the Apple intermediate Codec as a capture and timeline codec. He said it's got (a bit) more information as it doesn't have to do everything that the HDV preset does. Wow - an obvious difference. Much nicer than HDV. Better edges, less (but it's still there) pixelation, and what looks like more natural contrast.
The capture process is dodgy though.
I know we're all still limited as per delivery, but at least it's a better place to start the compression process. Give it a try.

In which case, I also assume you could also change it to this:
x:5:respawn:/opt/kde/bin/kdm -nodaemon
if you like the look of KDE a bit better

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Hi there anyone who edits in HDV and then needs to output in SD.
I have read lots of posts and had heaps of unpleasant results trying to get my hdv timeline into a pleasant and quality look sd delivery. Tonight I found a good answer that looks very good and may work for you. I will apologise to anyone who has done this already, but i have tried other workflows and not found them to help me at all.
1. edit in hdv with usual settings
2. set up a second sequence in pal(ntsc...whatever) which processing settings at highest quality in video processing tab.( high precision white and best)
3. copy and paste raw assets into new timeline
4. apply shift fields filter if necessary to flickery clips
5. play out on sd monitor via firewire to see good news
this has got rid of all my buzzy lines etc and i am so happy with this discovery.
I hope someone else finds it helpful.
Cheers
Jon

I've followed Bonsai's instructions to create DVDs from HDV footage from this link:
http://www3.telus.net/bonsai/Welcome.html
But my current problem is that when I drop my HDV sequence into the DV50 timeline, it doesn't resize and scale at all.
Here's a photo of my canvas for reference:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/bcpatters/canvas.jpg
Does anyone know why this is happening and how I can solve it?

HDV downconvert or shoot in SD?

Seems to me... that there is no advantage to be had by shooting HDV and downconverting the footage to SD for editing and distribution. I DO NOT need to archive the footage for future HD. My only intention is to edit and distribute on SD-DVD format in 16:9 full and 4:3 letterboxed formats.
For the sake of an accurate comparison, assume the same camera would be used for either scenario above. (Canon A1 HDV). The number of pixels captured in HD would never be seen if displaying in SD. Considering the amount of hassles to work with HDV anyway, this is driving my point.
Am I missing something or?

You know, beyond personal use i can't understand why anyone chooses to shoot in HDV.
I don't know of any major network that accepts video originating in this format for HD transmission aside from some short b-roll clips. No matter what it was converted to.
For example: The BBC "HD: Summary of Delivery Formats" considers HDV as standard definition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/dq/pdf/tv/hdsummary_delivery_formats_v13.pdf
2. Standard Definition
2.1. The following formats are considered to be standard definition:
o All standard definition video formats
o HDV from all manufactures
o Super16 film whether transferred to tape in high definition or not
o 35mm film transferred to standard definition tape formats
o Non linear editing codecs with bit rates below 160Mbs
o Live contributions via links at less than 60Mbs (MPEG2)
And from Discovery Channel:
... we don’t treat HDV footage as full-quality HD and restrict its usage on HD shows to a limited percentage of the program.
For instance, we have strict rules that limit the use of upconverted footage and HDV content in our HD programs. However, we always hold to our standards, which don’t sacrifice image quality on the altar of workflow.
http://www.definitionmagazine.com/issue_pdfs/def22/discovery.pdf

Stills look better when using ProRes timeline instead of HDV

I thought I'd share a discovery, and also ask for some advice.
Discovery:
When exporting stills (as PSD files), I exported from an HDV timeline, and I exported from a ProRes HQ 1920x1080 30p timeline (I took the same shots from the HDV timelime and pasted them into the ProRes timeline before exporting).
The HDV exports are not only the incorrect aspect ratio, but have many more "jaggies" than the ProRes export.
The HDV exports also have a slightly higher contrast ratio.
Personally I prefer the look of the ProRes 30p stills.
Now my question: If I edit in the ProRes 30p timeline, will that also improve the look of my video?

Stands to reason. ProRes is a full raster 10-bit I-Frame codec.
HDV is an anamorphic (squeezed) 8-bit GOP codec. ProRes wins.
Good discovery...thanks for sharing.
Shane

Unable to capture Canon HDV footage with Sony v1u camera

I'm trying to capture hdv footage filmed with a canon video camera with my sony v1u. My sony footage captures as it should, but the canon footage, although playing fine on the sony camera, will not capture to cs4. Any suggestions?

Check all camera settings and make sure they match the original filming mode on the other camera... and veryify your PPro settings match
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Unable to capture HDV footage with FCP 5.1

I've captured HD footage onto my old computer (10.4.11) without any problem but now I'm trying on my new one and it doesn't want to know.
First off there was a problem with the Firewire port ejecting my hard drives randomly so I took it to be repaired and they replaced the logic board and the port works fine.
I've looked at all the posts I could find, I've trashed my preferences, reinstalled Final Cut Studio ( after uninstalling then updating the software). I've made sure the camera is set to HDV playback rather than auto and that the iLink HDV/DV conversion is off. I've tried all the easy setups and all the custom ones I could think of but still FCP (5.1.4) won't allow me to capture. On some settings I have had device control but no image, on others it said the camera isn't connected. The only way I've captured footage is by using the HDV Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i50 which works fine.
The camera is a Sony HDR-HC7 connected directly to the iMac with a Firewire 800 / iLink cable or daisy chained through my external hard drive with a 400 / iLink cable (neither of which makes any difference) I can also capture SD footage from both the HDV and a Panasonic SD camera when in DV-PAL setup. The HDV camera also shows up as connected in the system profiler.
This is driving me nuts so any help would be appreciated and if there's any other info I can help with to make this clearer let me know.
Message was edited by: MrMajesticMole

I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who was having the same problem as you. Although you say the camera playback is set properly, please recheck this. go into your camera's playback menu>menu>standard set>VCR HDV/DV. Unplug your firewire from the camera. Make sure camera is set to HDV NOT auto. replace firewire cable. Now open FCP. Go in Audio/video settings>A/V devices (farthest tab on right). In box for playback edit to tape different from video output (make sure it's checked) mirrored (checked) Video playback 1080i50, Audio HDV. I hope that works now.
Steve

Unable to capture HDV in FCP 6.0.1 from Sony HVR-Z1P

Hi I'm attempting to capture HDV footage from a Sony Z1.
I am trying to capture some HDV footage I shot with the Z1, but FCP simply refuses to recognize the Z1
I'm certain I've got all the settings correct:
- Camera is set to HDV firewire out
- capture presets is set to HDV
- device control preset is set to Sony HDV FireWire
- sequence preset is set to HDV 1080i50 (I'm in Australia)
- footage IS HDV 1080i50
But I keep getting the "Unable to Initialize Capture Device and Device Control" popup. I've tried everything
- rebooted the camera
- restarted FCP
- rebooted the system
- changed the capture/device control settings in FCP and tried out a regular DV deck to make sure it wasn't the cable
Nothing has worked.
I'm on a MBPro I7. No Kona card or anything like that, just trying to capture through firewire.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Matt
At present it will capture HDV in IMovie but not FCP 6.0.1
Message was edited by: Matt Blyth

Thanks Adrian, since posting the thread I've thought of that too but unfortunately to no avail. From other forums I've read this seems to be a central theme to the solution to my capture woes. I since have sorted the problem it was in Audio/Video Settings.
In the end I set my Audio/Video Settings to:
Sequence Preset to: Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i50
Capture Pre-HDV- Apple intermediate Codec
Device Control Preset: Sony HDV 1080i50 Firewire
And hey presto my I'm capturing HD without any problems. Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
Message was edited by: Matt Blyth

Unable to capture DV footage from HDV camera

I am trying to capture from a dv tape using the Sony HVR-Z1E, but I keep getting the following message:
Unable to initialize capture device and device control........ This might also happen if you play DV footage in an HDV device.
I have tried changing the settings on the camera but to no avail.

Hi James,
This is a good workaround for curing your camera recognition problem:
First, check that your Easy Setup / Timeline / Camera or Deck Settings are all exactly the same, then making sure your camera or deck is in VTR mode, try to capture again.
Still not working?
Check whether iMovie recognises your camera.
FCP uses a different form of QT than iMovie for capturing, so if the camera works in iMovie (or if it's listed in System Profiler) but not FCP, it obviously means your Mac can see the VTR but FCP can't, so you need to do this QuickTime fix.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301852
Follow Apple's instructions carefully and you should have things running in no time - it's quite harmless!
But if the Camera / Deck isn't recognised by iMovie or System Profiler, try resetting the Firewire Bus . . . Turn off the Mac and disconnect the power and all Firewire cables. Leave it for 30 mins then connect back up.
Still not working? Try a different Firewire cable.
Failing all this, try resetting the PMU (Power Management Unit). The method varies from machine to machine, so visit the Apple site and search for it in support.
Don't use iMovie for capturing - it doesn't give you a timecode and that's very important.
Let us know how you get on!
Andy
Quad 8GB. 250+500 HDs. G-Raid 1TB. NORTON. FCP 5.1.1. Shake 4.1. Sony HVR Z1E Mac OS X (10.4.7)
"I've taught you all I know, and still you know nothing".

How Rock Guitar Legend Slash Hopes to Hack Music Discovery Apps

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http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/03/10/sxslashathon-rock-legend-slash-hopes-hack-music-discovery (via TheNextWeb.com)
Glance at this year’s SXSW schedule and “Slashathon” might sound like an all-night 80s horror flick screening. In reality, the title is fairly literal: rock guitarist Slash is hosting an artist-focused hackathon on Wednesday with the hopes of drawing in crowds at the perfect mid-point between SXSW’s Interactive and Music sessions.
“It was an idea that came up when we were brainstorming the launch of our new record,” Slash, also uncommonly known as Saul Hudson, tells The Next Web in a phone interview. “I’m sure there are a lot of people out there who don’t have a platform to talk about new tech ideas for music, so we hope that the event helps inspire software developers to create something unique in the spur of the moment.”
Despite having been involved in several apps and video games, Slash says he’s not a particularly techie person, and is mostly interested in music recording apps that aid artists on the go. “I travel a lot, so tuner apps or things that enhance sound recordings are what I’m most interested in.”
A fan of Spotify and Pandora, the guitarist says music streaming apps are great for artists to both discover new music and share with fans, and he hopes to see more apps devoted to helping artists gain exposure.
“This is what people do now: they go to their computers and smartphones and find new music, shows, and artists,” Slash says. “Spotify and Pandora have definitely helped soften the blow on musical piracy… making records is a huge business now, and these apps help artists feel like they’re not doing it for nothing.”
While he doesn’t intend for the Slashathon to necessarily “solve” problems — as most startups tend to focus on — he would like to see music discovery become more catered to recording artists, not just consumers.
“I’d like to see the trend continue on apps that help artists get the word out about their new records and local shows,” he says.
It’s not surprising that a musician like Slash is keen on discovering new music. Thanks to Guitar Hero’s repopularization of “Sweet Child O’ Mine,” it’s hard to escape a dive bar or TV commercial without the familiar rock rhythms, even for Slash himself.
But of course, he’s grateful for the multi-generational love that’s passed along, decades after the song emerged.
“I was definitely more sick of it when we first wrote, recorded, and played it,” Slash says. “But over the years… it’s one of those things where you have to appreciate that a lot of people still like it.”
The SXSW Slashathon takes place at Capital Factory, and begins at 9 AM on March 12.
LenovoDev.com Manager

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http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/03/10/sxslashathon-rock-legend-slash-hopes-hack-music-discovery (via TheNextWeb.com)
Glance at this year’s SXSW schedule and “Slashathon” might sound like an all-night 80s horror flick screening. In reality, the title is fairly literal: rock guitarist Slash is hosting an artist-focused hackathon on Wednesday with the hopes of drawing in crowds at the perfect mid-point between SXSW’s Interactive and Music sessions.
“It was an idea that came up when we were brainstorming the launch of our new record,” Slash, also uncommonly known as Saul Hudson, tells The Next Web in a phone interview. “I’m sure there are a lot of people out there who don’t have a platform to talk about new tech ideas for music, so we hope that the event helps inspire software developers to create something unique in the spur of the moment.”
Despite having been involved in several apps and video games, Slash says he’s not a particularly techie person, and is mostly interested in music recording apps that aid artists on the go. “I travel a lot, so tuner apps or things that enhance sound recordings are what I’m most interested in.”
A fan of Spotify and Pandora, the guitarist says music streaming apps are great for artists to both discover new music and share with fans, and he hopes to see more apps devoted to helping artists gain exposure.
“This is what people do now: they go to their computers and smartphones and find new music, shows, and artists,” Slash says. “Spotify and Pandora have definitely helped soften the blow on musical piracy… making records is a huge business now, and these apps help artists feel like they’re not doing it for nothing.”
While he doesn’t intend for the Slashathon to necessarily “solve” problems — as most startups tend to focus on — he would like to see music discovery become more catered to recording artists, not just consumers.
“I’d like to see the trend continue on apps that help artists get the word out about their new records and local shows,” he says.
It’s not surprising that a musician like Slash is keen on discovering new music. Thanks to Guitar Hero’s repopularization of “Sweet Child O’ Mine,” it’s hard to escape a dive bar or TV commercial without the familiar rock rhythms, even for Slash himself.
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Unable to capture HDV with Sony HDR-FX1 in FCE 4

Hello all,
Been using an HDR-FX1 for a while, shooting mostly DV, and today I began experimenting with HDV. I shot 8 minutes of footage with the camera in HDV mode.
When I setup FCE 4 for Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60, the capture window doesn't recognize the camera. However, if I set the FX1 to down convert to DV via firewire, FCE recognizes the camera and I'm able to capture.
How do I (or can I) capture HDV into FCE 4 with the FX1? Is there something (a setting perhaps) that I'm missing? Do I need to jump to FC Pro for this?
My system: 1.6 GHz PowerPC G5 (tower), 2 GB RAM, Sony FX1, FCE 4.0, QT 7.3.1
Thanks in advance,
tg

I had a similar issue with iMovie08 import using HDR-HC1... You may want to try this to see if it helps:
1> Close the import app (FCE, in your case)
2> Unplug the FW cable from the camcorder (Most important step)
3> Go into the Sony menu and re-select the HDV settings (explicit HDV, not Auto + Conv off) in the camcorder
4> Re-connect the FW cable, and restart FCE
I use these steps successfully while switching between HDV and DV imports from my camcorder using iMovie 08. Hopefully, this resolves your problem with FCE. Later this weekend, I plan to experiment (for the first time) with FCE HDV import to try and see the export quality difference between FCE and iM08 (which apparently downconverts everything to 540 lines!).

FCP and iMovie HD not seeing HDV video

On my work dual G5 I can control my Sony HDV camera with either iMovie HD 6.03 or FCP 5.04, but neither see the video. The fact that the machine control works proves that the Firewire cabling is ok, and the fact that the video shows up in iMovie on my iMac proves that the camera settings are ok.
My iMac and work machine are both using 10.4.9 and the latest QuickTime. Have any of you seen an issue where HDV camera video shows up on one machine and not on another?

Reporting back to say what fixed things in the end. I had tried two cameras and two Firewire leads without it working. I had tried every kind of reset I could think of, and done QuickTime reinstalls. Still no go. I finally tried a Combo 10.4.9 install and another QuickTime install. Still not fixed.
But then I tried a combination that involved unplugging the Firewire lead again, and after that every worked fine. The best I can guess it seems like either the Combo install or the third QuickTime install fixed something, but the results of the fix didn't show up until the next time I unplugged the Firewire lead and plugged it back in again. I had done that so many times already that it was a pleasant surprise to see it make a difference after the latest reinstalls.

HDV tape random capture aborts in FCP

I am trying to capture many hours of HDV footage to disc. Capture Now is aborting frequently either due to alleged timecode breaks or alleged stream problems. But in fact the breaks seem to occur at random: on second or third attempts, capture passes smoothly over the supposed break point, only to abort again later on. I am rarely able to capture more than a minute at a time. Here are the hard facts:
Tapes are Maxell Professional DV-M63Master ME DV/HDV, recorded on only once
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FCP is set to abort capture on dropped frames and on timecode break (I understand that this second option makes no difference with HDV anyway). I don't want to miss frames that are actually on the tape.
I know lots of people have had similar problems, and I've tried all the suggestions I have found on the forums. Have I missed something?

Julian,
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I'd suggest that you freshen up the system by exporting non-critical data from the system drive until you have about 20-30% free space, repair permissions, run your crons (a utility like MacJanitor or Cocktail will do this) and run Disk Warrior on all attached drives. The point is to clean out the system to provide max efficiency at the basic level. You may need to disable apps that like to run in background and maybe even take the system off the net while working. If you can re-gain the original performance, you will probably make it through...
Good luck!

HDV in FCP 5

Hello... I'm a bit nervous posting this. I come to this forum for all my questions, and I've never had to post a question because I can always find my answer by doing a search. But I am quite confused about my question today, so here it goes...
We are about to shoot our first HDV project, and I just want to make sure we can actually edit this stuff with the hardware/software we have. After lots of searching, I think I've answered my questions, but need someone to double check my answers...
Specs:
Camera: Sony HVR-V1U (not sure what settings we will use... open to suggestions)
Computer: iMac G5, Processor- 2.1 GHz, Ram- 1.5 GB
Software: FCP 5, DVD SP 3
Final Output: SD DVD (TRT around 10 minutes)
Please let me know if any other info is needed.
Questions/Assumptions:
1. I CAN digitize and edit with the hardware and software we have, right?
2. Will I need to downconvert before/during digitizing?
3. Can we keep the widescreen look or must we switch to 4:3?
4. What kind of media (tapes) should we use?
5. We can only digitize with that same camera, right?
6. Can we edit 24p in FCP 5?
Thank you in advance. I'm sincerely sorry if I've posted questions that have been posted before. I'm being selfish and need (want?) answers to my specific situation
Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Questions/Assumptions:
1. I CAN digitize and edit with the hardware and
software we have, right?
Yes
2. Will I need to downconvert before/during
digitizing?
Depending on the delivery requirements I would say After edit
3. Can we keep the widescreen look or must we switch
to 4:3?
You can keep the widescreen look but it will most likely be letterboxed.
4. What kind of media (tapes) should we use?
SONY
5. We can only digitize with that same camera,
right? No, Any Sony HDV product will work.
6. Can we edit 24p in FCP 5?
NO You can Shoot 24p and the V1U will convert to 60i on the tape and you will edit HDV 60i, with a 24p look.
Good Luck
Z1&V1user

Problem Capturing from Sony HVR-A1U to FCP 5 using HDV preset

Hi,
i just got a Sony HVR-A1U and am new to HDV. I am a professional editor so i have a full understanding of FCP. Here are my problems and questions.
Specs of system : Power Mac Dual 2Ghz G5, 1.5GB Ram, GeForce FX 5200 64mb (Do i need a better GFX card?)
1) When i setup the project settings at the start I selected HDV 1080i/60, it automatically states "Codec not found. You may be using a compression type without the corresponding Hardware card." I am quite sure that i have all the codecs i could have without having a hardware card, since i don't have a hardware card. Does this mean that i need a blackmagic HD card or a Kona card just to process the HD into FCP as HDV 1060i/60 even though it is through firewire?
2) I advanced to the Log & Capture mode with the HDV settings, set properly across the board. I can not see picture, can hear audio and can log clips. When i capture it captures black for video but captures the audio just fine. I figure this is because of the missing codec which encodes HDV for FCP from Sony's HDV encoding?
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4) I can not have pre-logged clips using other methods and then batch capture them using the Apple Intermediate Codec, it just reverts to capturing on the fly. Anyway to Batch Capture using the Apple Intermediate Codec?
Funny thing is that i can digitize fine in iMovie HD although i don't know what codec it is using. This totally baffles me that it works in a certain manner, i can get the job done, but not the way i should be able to. I've been using FCP since '99 and have never encountered something in this manner. And since this is my first experience with FCP and HDV i have nowhere to go from here except get some help or settle for what i can do and change my normal post-production workflow.
A question i really want to know about is whether i need an extra hardware compnent, i know i asked that question above, and i could understand if i did. (i.e GFX card or Capture card - even though i am going through firewire)?
I appreciate any help, i might not respond over the next couple of weeks because i am shooting in Europe and will be back stateside at the start of February, so i will not be active on this post until then. Any input would be great and when i get back i will have loads of footage that i will need to digitize, so i will be very open to help with troubleshooting as well.
Thanks again!!!
Gabe
PowerMac G5 DP 2Ghz, 1.5GB Ram, GeForce FX 5200, 20" Cinema Display Mac OS X (10.4)

All the settings are proper, like i said, it captures with the apple codec for HDV but that is only good for on the fly. iMovie captures it fine, it's just when the settings in FCP are set for HDV it won't capture picture through log and capture.
Are you guys actually reading my post??? I have given all the information that i can, settings are proper, so the post so far are completely redundant.

Can't import HDV 720p from my Sony HDR HC1 camcorder to my FCP 5.0.1 help

I have footage that was shot on a contractors JVC HDV camera at 720p. I play it in my Sony HDR HC1 and i can view it and it plays awesome. It even recognizes its 720p. But i try to import it into Final Cut Pro on my IMac G5 or powerbook G4 17inch and it can play the camera but not capture footage. I have FCP version 5.0.1 How can i get this video into my editing software ive tried it on imovie as well and cant import video but i can control the camera. Please help.
Do i need to buy the updated FCP i noticed doing some research there is a FCP 5.1 now that i heard nothing about?
Thanks for the help in advance.
powerbook g4 17inch, powerbook G4 12inch, imac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Get a hold of the JVC camera the footage was shot with. When FCP 5.1.2 is released (this month), you'll actually be able to capture the footage directly... problem is that the JVC recording is short GOP, and FCP currently only supports LONG GOP... You will need to upgrade to capture the footage directly, or buy this: http://www.lumierehd.com But in any event, you'll need the JVC camera to capture it's recordings, now or in the future.
JVC's iteration of HDV isn't the same as Sony's... that's the problem. PLUS FCP doesn't support any recordings of the JVC format except 1080i60 as of now. 5.1.2 will change that I believe. IBC was where this new update was announced I think, and you'll need to "cross grade" your FCP 5.0.x version to FCP 5.1. to get this update down the line... Yeah, I don't like the situation either, but there it is... Canon's HDV and JVC's HDV are very similar FWIW...
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