An old web designer who's confused...

Hi all,
I'm a long-time web and graphic designer, having started when
Flash was in version 2 and Dreamweaver wasn't even thought
possible. Pixel spacers and nested tables were (and actually, still
are!) my basic method of site build.
Now that I've installed CS4, my world's a bit upside-down...
no more ImageReady, and everything is CSS based. I know CSS is now
a necessity (I understand the text styling side of it)... but as
for layouts...
Can someone confirm this process for me? I believe now things
go:
1. design website in Photoshop, present to client as single
image
2. take design into Fireworks and create slices (as per
ImageReady) and ALSO set up CSS
3. take HTML file and... do something with it in Dreamweaver.
So what is Dreamweaver used for now? Can Fireworks be used to
CSS code the entire site? At what point in the process do you set
up the overall site structure (traditionally I just work with
single pages)?
This is one of the toughest transitions I've gone through in
my career. I suppose I want to get the basics right before I throw
myself into the tutorials.
Many thanks!

joeyscc wrote:
> I read somewhere yesterday online off the adobe site
about saving in PSD but it
> has limitations and somethings are sacrificed. Trying to
think what they were
> now and where I saw this...but think it was for the
previous version. If the
> CS4 version now has this ability to save a "true" psd
without "any" limitations
> and allowing others to open the file in their photoshop
or ImageReady, then
> that is a good thing. So is this the case now with CS4
FW?
>
Things are much improved in CS4, however - for example -
symbols and
grouped objects will be flattened when you save as PSD -
simply because
PS can't understand the assets. You would have to ungroup
groups to keep
the elements editable, and break apart symbols. Likewise, PS
has no
comparable feature to Pages, so you will need to export each
page as a
separate PSD file.
Vector shapes, vector and bitmap masks, and text are all
editible within
PS (CS3 and CS4). Certain vector fills and blend modes and
some styles
will not transfer over to PS either, because the effect
doesn't exist in PS.
Remember these two applications are not the same. If they
were, there
wouldn't be a need for both, so certain things - at this
point anyway -
just won't translate going from FW to PS. For what it's
worth, IMO that
is a problem on the PS side, not FW. PS still cannot open an
FW PNG file
without flattening the entire document. The FW engineers have
worked
VERY hard to improve integration when importing PSD's into
FW, however.
Many updates have been made to ensure that a PSD design
opened in FW
looks much as it does in PS.
I have no idea how the file will be handled in IR.
HTH
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