Animation codec & DV codec used together

My client has provided me a snapzpro .mov of a powerpoint presentation he was giving. The movie uses the animation codec, 510 x 382 pixels, 22.35 FPS. He also has DV footage of his presentation. My job is to transition between the powerpoint .mov and presentation DV to produce a compelling timeline. It will be exported for use on a DVD.
I read the snapzpro mov into the FCP timeline and exported it out using the animation codec and resetting the FPS to 29.97 so I can edit it correctly. When I export it using the DV codec, the red type is terribly pixelated from the compression. If I export it using compressor, the result is better, but still not great.
I will be cutting between the DV and Animation mov and I would like some suggestions on a good workflow (what codec to use) and how to achieve the best possible result for the DVD.
Thanks, Dan
Powermac G5 Dual 2.7 gHz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Try PhotoJPEG at hires rather than Animation. Anaimation is interframe compression and producs weird artifacting and smearing as things move across the screen.

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paul

Hi,
I'm also having trouble with this same issue. I've been trying to change the Quicktime Default Setting to 10-bit uncompressed (btw codec works fine out directly out of QT and other apps), or to use the command line to do quick renders of tiff frame sequences to QT 10-bit. I think its a problem with my syntax on the command line. As per the manual I set up a fileout in a script with 10-bit as the codec, opened the script in Textedit and followed the instructions on p393, and dropped it into the include/startup directory. Below is a copy of the Textedit view of the script output settings. Also, If I want to use these settings the command line what should I change? The quotation marks, commas etc?
"QuickTime", "Shake 3 QT 1", "Apple FCP Uncompressed 10-bit 4:2:2",
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error: - NRiCompressor - corrupted input data (length)
The QuickTime codec specified in the global default could not be selected. The system default codec will be selected.
So it renders to Animation. Something else I found was that the example on p393 in the manual is for 10-bit uncompressed - so I tried copying it right off the page, into Textedit, and into the include/startup dir - still no joy.
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If I duplicate the clip several times, placing the duplicates back to back, the sequence plays w/ no problem. If I introduce a different clip, a generated slug or even leave a gap on the timeline I get the Dropped Frames Warning on the very last frame of the clip, right before the play head would move to the first frame of the new clip, or the slug, or the gap where there's nothing on the timeline.
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Turn the warning off:
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The warning only alerts you that FCP can't call up and display the frames fast enough to play in real time, so it is dropping frames - during playback.
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QT: Poor video quality for gradients when Motion JPEG A/B codec used.

Hello,
I have a problem using the Quicktime (7.6) and the Motion JPEG A/B codec.
My workflow is as follows:
1. Create animation with Quartz Composer. This animation should use gradients from dark red to white.
2. Export the animation as Quicktime film (MOV), set full HD (1920x1080), duration e.g. 2 minutes.
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Hello QuickTimeKirk,
Thank you for your reply.
I need Motion JPEG A/B or PhotoJPEG This is my "final distribution format" required by the customer.
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You're right. Animation codec produces what I will accept and want, but the files are huge sized and my customer doesn't accept this format.
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Hah, found out what's the problem. It is not my computer, it is not my QuickTime got corrupt. It is QuickTime's bug decoding movie file encoded using following combination of settings:
Quick Time encoder
Compression Type: Animation
Depth: Millions of colors+ (alpha channel included)
Quality: Best
ParticleIllusion
Output options
Save Alpha - enabled
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Every single Mac I checked has this same problem, and it's not Mac's problem, it is QuickTime problem.
I have two examples, you can see it yourself:
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http://www.sasha-z-creations.com/quicktime/Example_BlackRemoved.mov
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Blowup = Crash.
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Hello Kevin,
Sorry for late reply, and thanks for your interest in the case. I exported a section from my Premiere project using the animation codec, then reimported it. I got the same glitchy lines running through the clip, which hadn't existed in the edit (some clips from an EX1 camera, and some text animations).
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"Black?" That's not right.
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[IMG]http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb441/cksearle/Picture3.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb441/cksearle/Picture2.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb441/cksearle/Picture1.png[/IMG]

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