Another Radeon 9800 Thread -- Detailed Instructions Needed!

Finally picked up a 9800 Pro at a reasonable price today (from a teen who admitted he was getting rid of it--and downgrading!--to curb his gaming activities). Anyway, now I have to install the thing, and I'm not feeling overly confident simply going on what I found here:
http://thomas.perrier.name/otherStuff/ati9800convertEN.html
If my present card is the Sawtooth's stock Rage 128 in the AGP slot, am I going to have flash the 9800 blind by putting the flasher in the startup items?
Also, I noticed that the site Mr. Perrier links to so one can download the ATI 9800 Pro MAC 128 MB BIOS
( http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/26/ATI.9800PROMAC.128.Samsung28.html )
lists the interface as "PCI-E" -- does it make any difference that this is going into the Sawtooth's AGP slot?
Any other vital bits that Mr. Perrier left out? Zapping the PRAM? Reinstalling the OS? I need to know!

"If my present card is the Sawtooth's stock Rage 128 in the AGP slot, am I going to have flash the 9800 blind by putting the flasher in the startup items?"
You don't have to use the "blind" flasher, if you have a Mac PCI video card available.
"Also, I noticed that the site Mr. Perrier links to so one can download the ATI 9800 Pro MAC 128 MB BIOS lists the interface as "PCI-E" -- does it make any difference that this is going into the Sawtooth's AGP slot?"
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2
"Any other vital bits that Mr. Perrier left out? Zapping the PRAM? Reinstalling the OS? I need to know!"
This site is still up, but mostly unused.
http://strangedogs.proboards40.com/
It is still good for searching, and somebody might just answer a question or two.

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I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
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Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
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