Another Temp Issue - Kooling?

Hi All, I have greatly appreciated what I have read here in the last few weeks lurking. I have learned much but the one thing I cannot seem to solve is my CPU temps issue.
My CPU Temp w/ Bios 1.6 and C & Q, w/ no OC was 49C Idle, and about 57-60C after gaming.
Updated Bios today to 1.7b and C & Q, and it added 4 degrees to that.
My steps to this date in remedying this have been:
- Replace stock CPU Heatsink with Thermaltake SilentBoost K8 (dropped idle 5C down to the above 49C in Bios 1.6) Fan Speed ~2450 RPM
- Reapplied Artic Silver 5 in the manner described on the given website * the BB rice size thing
- All cables inside are nicely tucked away for max airflow (have a Scorpio 868w case) and the case has a total count of 8 fans.
- Installed latest CPU Driver from AMD
My above readings are from Core Center 1.6.6.0. With Speedfan I get 49-50C CPU and 32c System. Bios is a different story, 60C!
Any help would be appreciated. I know these temp issues are a continuous subject and hate to ask for redundant info. I am wondering if I need to purchase a separate Cooler such as Koolance though would not be excited to shell out another $200. I am intent on getting an ATI Radeon x800 Pro but not until I stabilize temps. Thanks all!!!

yep it is cooling. Play on words. Had just been reading up on Koolance Cooling units. I just don't think adding cooling is a solution. My case is quite clean inside with wires bundled, tucked away etc. I have 80mm fans 2 front, 2 rear, 1 side, 1 CPU, and 2 PSU Fans. Quite windy in there. If there was a true airflow issue or overheating in the case, why would System Temp run at 32C? I live next to Seattle, WA so safe to say it is fairly cool here usually including in the house. I brought the case out of its desk enclosure for the best air intake.
After the many threads here and in AMD, It does make more sense that it would be some sort of discrepancy between the CPU Thermal Diode and how the MoBo / Bios interprets the CPU Temp. That's a rehash of what I have been reading and is making more and more sense.
Am trying to be proactive on this temp thing to see is this for real or artifact. Truth be told, this mobo/cpu makes a smokin fast machine and have no complaints, reboots, BSOD, stability issues on Prime95, Memtest etc.
Live Update shows Bios 1.7 today! I flashed with the Beta one yesterday, what timing! Is there reason to reflash with this release?

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Hi, all, excuse me if I disturb u, but I've not understood compleltely if the low temps recorded by MSI KT4 ULtra sensors with BIOS 1.4 is a problem or is a real reduction of the temperatures offered by the new BIOS.
Thank you very much for your time
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No, its not enabled by default - and the temp issue is for real - not only reporting with less than 5-8*C, but also reversing the winbond sensors(CPU-SYS). I must tell you that the Cooler XP utility still works no mather if CPU HALT is enabled or not, taking another 5-8*C from your temperatures. Running an AMD Athlon XP Palomino 2100+ almost at 20*C with regular air cooling seems damn' science-fiction and the system with 5 degrees or more than the CPU.
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Anything new on temp issues on the 24 IMac's??

Got a question not necessarily an issue and I've researched it quite extensively on the net. Finding ambiguous data concerning this and if possible I'd like the feedback from you folks before calling AppleCare.
After buying my new 24 inch IMac and setting it up, I noticed the aluminum case upper corners and middle upper edge was becoming hot enough to pique my interest. I realized immediately that the aluminum case would be conducting heat more than my older IMac 17 which has the acrylic case.
I was concerned enough to find a temp widget called IStat Pro and download it to physically check the operating temps inside the case as well as the fan speeds.
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I guess what I'm doing here with my post is simply asking if there have been issues reported with the 2.66 IMac 24's and whether there might be a downside to the external case temps as time passes.
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HI DH,
Check out this thread: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1467276&tstart=0
and here: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1467276&tstart=0
This way you get a better overall idea. If you really think it's running too hot, you have 14 days from purchase to either have it repaired or replaced.
If it were me, I'd talk to an Apple representative about this heat issue. You can Google for this information and it's amazing on how many hits come up.
I just ran iStat on my iMac but it's the 2.66 20"... CPU is 1199 HD 1199 Optical drive 998
But mine never gets hot like you are talking about, warm but not hot.
I'm not running any CPU intensive apps for those numbers. May climb a tad when I have iTunes running....
Carolyn

[svn:fx-trunk] 9578: Found another embeddedfontcontext issue in the player.

Revision: 9578
Author:   [email protected]
Date:     2009-08-25 10:23:52 -0700 (Tue, 25 Aug 2009)
Log Message:
Found another embeddedfontcontext issue in the player. ElementFormat.getFontMetrics() must be called in the embeddedFont's moduleFactory context. Added a general "callInContext" API to IFLexModuleFactory. Eventually, TLF will add a new API so they can connect up to this capability and we'll change the code one more time.
QE Notes: None
Doc Notes: New API in IFlexModuleFactory.as
Bugs: SDK-22159
Reviewer: Darrell
API Change: Yes
Is noteworthy for integration: No
tests: checkintests
Ticket Links:
    http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-22159
Modified Paths:
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    flex/sdk/trunk/frameworks/projects/framework/src/mx/core/FlexModuleFactory.as
    flex/sdk/trunk/frameworks/projects/framework/src/mx/core/IFlexModuleFactory.as
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Updates:
I've opened a bug with Adobe regarding this issue:
http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-4362
Also, the Cancel operation on a FileReference causes the same issue to happen as does loading. I really think it's an operating system focus issue.
UPDATE:
Looks like this has already been tracked and is scheduled to be fixed:
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Ggrrrrr, is there any that bios that fixes the temp issue? [solved]..spoke too soon [NOT SOLVED]

ive tried
1.1
1.2
1.3
1.42
come on msi, give me a fighting chance :(

Here is the last thing I received from MSI tech support. I'll give them this much, they are much more responsive than VIA or AOpen ever were when I first got my flakey MVP3 board...lol. I hope they can figure this problem out!
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So far in our own testing, we have not found any High CPU Temperature issues.
We have gone through the threads you have provided to us and we will co-work with AMD to see if anything needs to be updated from our side with the New Castle Core.
Once again, MSI appreciates all the findings/reports you have provided to us and we will update you once there is any findings becomes available.
Sincerely,
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MSI Computer Corp.
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Subject: RE: 3 -- Customer Problem Description Form
I know you guys think you fixed the Newcastle temperature problem. But there are still a LOT of us out here who are having trouble, using latest BIOS. People are reporting this all over the MSI forums. The behavior is as follows, flashing the BIOS might help initially, but soon after the temp shoots way back up.
Please see the following threads:
Temps and BIOS 1.42
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Possible fix for CPU temp problem found.
The same old problem with temperatures (K8N Neo Platinum)
K8N Neo Temps :(

MSI didn't fix the temp issue

MSI didn't fix the temperature issue for AMD 64 processors. I'm sure.
For people who didn't read my previous posts;
MSI claims in BIOS 1.4 (for the MSI K8N Neo Platinum) that they fixed the problem that the CPU gets (for example) 54 degrees idle and 74 degrees load.
They didn't. They just made up a fake solution.
Here are my arguments.
- When I start my computer, after a cold long night in which the computer was turned off, I see 42 degrees for my CPU in the BIOS. This is when I go DIRECTLY to the BIOS in the POST. 42 degrees? That is impossible. The temperature in my room is around 20. It can't get so high so fast. My Northbridge is 21. In the old BIOS 1.3 it was the same; when you started your computer the BIOS showed temperatures like 52 etc.
- When my computer has started Windows XP, I start Core Center. There I see my CPU temperature. It is 39 degrees for my CPU. Ridiculous. My old AMD XP 1800+ started with a minimum of 29 when Windows started. After that the 1800+ increased to 48 degrees.
But ok, when I use the trick which some people used in BIOS 1.3 to get true readings (restarting their computer with a soft boot), I see 34 degrees for my CPU. This reading is the only true reading. Isn't it weird that when I have my computer turned on for about 4 hours, with whole the time readings like 42 degrees idle, and I restart, I just get 34 degrees... WITHOUT fluctuating temperatures to hell and back...
My conclusion is that MSI just made something up like '74-20 = 54 degrees in load and 62-20 = 42 degrees idle'.
Also, the temperatures are fluctuating to hell and back. It goes from 58 degrees in load to 54 to 50... Whatever...
This board is great, but this problem really, really s u c k s. FIX this. We have the right of correct temperature readings. We spend money for it.
Regards,
Me

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Originally posted by Tiresmoke
I know you are frustrated but if you read the link I just supplied you will find this is a user to user forum and NO MSI techs are here at all.
Regardless, people are still encouraged to post their problems here as well. In case there is a solution or workaround (see Wannafly's response and mine as well regarding vcore).
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We are users helping each other. If you must speak with an MSI tech you can always contact them from the MSI main page. Oh and it is not likely they will answer if you attack them the way you are writing in this forum. Now would I for that matter.
I do agree that some in this thread have crossed the line and need to watch it .
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So play nice folks or there won't likely be a second warning.
Very good advice!
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Yes there can stilkl be temp issues especially with the newcastle core CPU's. The new Bios is still a work in progress. There are a lot of combinations they need to work out. But if you contact MSI with a complaint in a cival manner and let them know what experience you have you may even get a new beta bios to try and see if it will solve your issues. Or they may have other suggestions. However they can't fix stuff they are not aware are broken and most of the problems disappeared when they released 1.4. So let them know about what you have.
Been there done that. They were responsive in the beginning. Continued to send them very polite and factual updates as I tried new BIOS updates but have long since ceased to receive any response at all. Again, I say I don't blame MSI. Just want a fix.....
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Oh yes and running these chips in the 50C+ range at full load is still within reason.
I reread the thread a few times, and I don't see where anyone is claiming that they feel like that's a problem, so I'm confused about the relevance of this statement . The problem that's been mentioned here is that the temperature is being REPORTED at 50+C at IDLE load conditions when it obviously is NOT that hot. Restart of the machine immediately then shows an IDLE temp of 30C. Even though 30 seconds prior it showed 50C with just as low of a load since it was right after cold start? THIS situation is NOT within reason.... And it's very repeatable, cause I see it every single day

K8N Neo2 Chipset cooling and 1.8 BIOS/temps issue

Hi, Not really a problem thread, more some resolutions I want to share (didn't have much luck finding these answers so thought this might help someone...)
First - I've replaced my chipset cooler with the Vantec CCB-A1C (Copper). I think mine is a fairly late revision board (though I forgot to record/photograph the chip while it was bare ) but the stock HS had the usual rubbish tiny spot of gunk slightly off centre. Gave it a nice (thin but even) layer of AS5 before fitting the Vantec and quite happy with the results: The Vantec is actually considerably louder than the stock fan but by using Speedfan to throttle it back to 50% it becomes almost silent and the chipset temp hardly rises above 26C now (32C idle rising to 40+ under load previously).
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Tried exporting a batch of images as JPEGs at the 50% original size setting.
Okay.
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Not relevant.
They are 80-100MB in size.
Not relevant either.
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I finally got the cash together to get CS4 Design Premium. Now having issues installing.... gee? Really? I've read through this thread but haven't seen anything that mirror what I'm experiencing so, here's yet another post.
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I have a issue about my Macbook's Temp.
At startup it's about 20-30C
Then average it''s 50-60C
Then if it's on for 6Hours (I keep mine plugged in) It goes to about 70-80C (No Joke) When i restart the computer it's 50-60C.
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There is only one fan in the Macbook.
Open your Activity Monitor app and look at the CPU % usage of the various processess when your Macbook is running hotter than you think it should. In fact, look at the CPU usage when it is not running hot. Get an idea of the relationship between that usage and the temperature. Also get an idea of what apps use what percentage of the CPU when they do there various tasks. Then you should be able to predict what temps to expect.
You may have errant processess running which can cause much higher than normal temperatures. My Macbook would occasionaly get quite hot (approaching 70C). I would look at Activity Monitor and it would show a particular process using 90% or more of the CPU. I knew that this should not be happening so I would force quit that process. It was the only way to stop it. The temp would immeditaely drop down to normal range. The errant process was a web accelerator used for accelerating dialup internet connections. I never did learn why it would only occasionally do this but nevertheless, it did and the final solution was to quit using that app.
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