"any" vs "all" when filtering SMART COLLECTIONS

Need help from the pros in this group. I've to teach a specific skill to some students tomorrow, and--I must admit--I'm a little lost. Can sometime provide detailed answers to me? I'd be much obliged.
I need to know the distinction between filtering between "any" and "all" in smart collections.
Basically, what does that mean? I mean, to me, filtering between, say, "any" clips with the a certain attribute would be the same as my wanting to see "all" of the same. I'm a bit embarrassed to say I can't wrap my mind around the concept.
The first choice of "all" vs. "any" is when you go into the first level of the filter, itself:
Then, you have the same options for each filter variable:
I've an excercise where I have students have to filter smart collections based on keywords and shot compositioin. And the devil is in being able to distinguish between "any" and all"
Any help for "any" or "all" of you would be greatly appreciated.

the words "any" and "all" do not refer to clips, but to criteria.
"any" means "or"
"all" means "and"
In your example:
1) you would set a smart collection for clips satisfying ALL of
- having the keyword "shoes"
- being favorites
2) similarly, but ANY (as in either or)
3) is a bit of combination of both; you have (two people or group) AND Favorites, so you need to set "all";
and in the people category choose "any".

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