AP vs Wireless Bridge in AP mode

What is the difference between AP and Wireless Bridge in AP mode? Or, when to use AP like device and when Wireless Bridge in AP mode?
Thanks for cooperation.
Jovan M., CCNA

BR350 as access points can be used to cover outdoor areas, since they have metal case for durability and plenum rating and an extended operating temperature rating for harsh environments
Other than that BR350 in AP mode is jus similar to AP350(not the pastic ones, the metal plenum rated) if you use for indoor coverage.
From Cisco documentations.
The bridge as a rugged access point connected to the wired LAN. When you select Access Point, the bridge's Spanning Tree Protocol (STP) function is disabled. Figure 3-4 shows a bridge set up as a rugged access point.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps458/products_configuration_guide_chapter09186a008007f77f.html#25614
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps458/ps460/index.html

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Bytes Input       : 15774260           Bytes Output     : 2163933
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