Aperture 2 vs Photoshop CS3

I'm currently looking to upgrade to a Mac and I use CS3 on a Windows XP Pro machine now. I don't know much about the Macs, but I've been impressed with in store demos and online discussions with ease of use.
What I'd like to know from other users is "does Aperture 2 provide any value in a workflow set up?" Since a cost of moving to the new platform will bring some other costs (new software in various areas), I'm trying to limit my investment costs. Does Aperture (at least the way I understand) only provides a light table type approach with basic editing capability? How powerful are the editing tools?
How easy is it to set up a Mac on a home LAN that contains several other Windows machine (my thought here is a "sharing" between the Mac where I'll download and do Aperture processing of files and use the Windows CS3 machine for the "heavy" post processing - since I rarely get an exposure that doesn't need post processing).

>Can I suppose that Aperture is better integrated with the OS, and Lightroom is better integrated with Photoshop?
Not really. Both integrate well with the OS and with Photoshop.
Photoshop and Aperture/Lightroom are totally different apps. For advanced image editing one needs an app like Photoshop or Photoshop Elements. If one does substantial DSLR image capture an image management app like Aperture or (less good) Lightroom are invaluable. Aperture requires strong MacIntel hardware but LR will run on PCs and weak Macs.
I strongly recommend that every digital photog with adequate computer hardware first spend $33 and work through the tutorial CD
i Apple Pro Training Series: Aperture 2 (Apple Pro Training Series) by Ben Long, Richard Harrington, and Orlando Luna
(Paperback - May 8, 2008), Amazon.com. Step one with Aperture is to have at least 3-4 GB RAM on a MacIntel box. After adequate RAM is on board do the free Aperture trial
Note that the value is in diligently working the tutorial, not in using the book as a manual. The time spent learning modern digital image capture workflow via the tutorial is invaluable.
IMO a cursory examination of Aperture usually turns out to be mostly a waste of time, or leads to bad workflow habits or folks simply do not get it. Carefully working the tutorial is by far the best way to learn this new killer app category.
Good luck!

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Exporting from Aperture to Photoshop CS3- file format

If I have my files in raw CR2 format in Aperture 2.1 and I then go to the edit the image in photoshop CS3 will it remain in the raw CR2 format or does it convert it to a tiff file automatically?
Currently I have PS CS2 and it converts to a tiff file when I go edit in photoshop however I thought this may be beacuse PS CS2 does not support raw files from my Canon 40D, PS CS3 does though.
Incidently the same thing happens when I use the dodge and burn tool in Aperture 2, it conversts to Tiff format.

"Will there ever" is a loaded question Apple rarely comments on future product releases, and anyone that would know wouldn't be able to comment.
So it's not possible to say if future dodge & burn (or other plugins) can work without rendering a TIFF file.
As far as "multiple file formats" though -- it shouldn't really be something you need to worry about (other than the fact that the TIFF takes up some disk space). You can export to JPEG from the original or the version, and Aperture will track the files together.

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When ever I try to edit images within Aperture 3 using photoshop CS3 I get the following message: *Editing Error This image cannot be rendered for editing because Aperture does not support the image format.*
So far I have updated Aperture to 3.0.1, I have tried 32 and 64 bit, I have tried Tiff and PSD - 8 and 16 bit. Reinstalled Aperture and Photoshop, repaired and rebuild the database, but I still get the Editing Error.
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Thanks for your time. Please Help......

Curious. I have no problem whatsoever when in Aperture I choose to use Photoshop CS3 as an external editor.
Works without issue.
Am not sure what you may be encountering, but be assured that it does work fine for me.
So, don't give up.

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hi:
i'm intrigued by some of the new features in Photoshop CS3 such as the non-destructive filters. i'm wondering how Aperture treats these new types of layers or filters when using CS3 as an external editor. i don't have CS2, so i don't think i was eligible for the beta download (and didn't have much time to play with it anyway).
just wondering what others have thought that might have played with these features in the beta?
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scott
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I took a DNG file from my M8 and opened it as a 'smart object' in PS-CS3. I then applied several adjustment layers and smart filters before saving the file out as as a PSD file.
Aperture then imported the PSD file with no trouble and allowed me to make adjustments using Aperture's adjustment panes. Finally I exported the image as a JPEG and opened that JPEG in my browser and Preview application. No problems.
The only think that Aperture wouldn't do was import the Leica M8 file directly. This would be a good time for someone to repeat the tired line that Aperture won't open DNG files because they can't support a proprietary file standard that is controlled by on outside company. DNG = PDF = PSD in this regard. Only one of these isn't supported fully as far as I can tell.

PhotoshopNews: Adobe Photoshop CS3 at a glance!

http://photoshopnews.com/2006/12/14/adobe-photoshop-cs3-at-a-glance/
Even more content out there now on the home page of PhotoshopNews.com

I haven't been able to download CS3 yet, but the Martin Evening pdf (thanks for the link!) has what looks like a piece of great news buried in it:
"For example, before you first had to create an empty new document with the exact pixel dimensions before you could place an image (such as a raw file) as a Smart Object. With Photoshop CS3, you can now place a raw capture file as a Smart Object layer in a single step."
If I understand this right, it means that the functionality of the old Dr Brown Place-a-Matic script is now available from Aperture. We can -- or this makes me hope we can -- send a RAW from Aperture to PSCS3 for editing, and then Place the same image, perhaps twice, as a Smart Object, edit away, and when we Save get the whole edited image back in Aperture without going through the Finder.
I used to use this (from Bridge) all the time to double-expose RAW shots: adjust the sky to one exposure and the ground to another, masking to get both into the final image, all without messing with the pixels of the RAW image. I've missed it. Whoopee.

Can't open ANY photos in Photoshop CS3

I cannot open any photos from my iPhoto or Aperture in Photoshop. When I attempt to do it, the images refresh and then it crashes, asking me to send an error report. When I click on an image that I want to open, the OPEN tab in the bottom right corner does not highlight either or allow me to click on it. This has been happening for over 10 tries.
I did delete my preferences as suggested by another user but no luck. Please help!!
Lisa
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Photoshop CS3 10.0.1

No, she means going in the blue Apple menu > system preferences, going to the accounts pane, and creating a new user there. Then log in as that user and see if the error persists. If it doesn't then it was something corrupt in your account.

IPhoto and Photoshop CS3 Problem

I have been downloading my pictures into iPhoto and editing them in Photoshop(CS3) now. As long as I was shooting jpeg, I would just hit Save in Photoshop and the edited picture would show up in my iPhoto application, in in "modified" in iPhoto library.
Since I got Photoshop CS3, I have been shooting a lot more RAW. RAW images, saved TIFFS, don't seem to get saved to iPhoto application, just the Pictures/iPhoto Library folder. And I am noticing that edited pictures don't automatically go into modified, but stay in the originals file.
I am also noticing that even jpegs do not automatically get saved to the iPhoto application. They too open up the save to window for Pictures/iPhoto Library. All this since CS3.
So only the original files downloaded from my CF card are in iPhoto. I feel that something is wrong here. I should be able to have my edited files show up in my iPhoto application without re-importing them.
I tried a trial of Aperture, but my DT graphics card and processor can't handle the application. But that is not the point. What has happened that iPhoto has become essentially useless to view my modified photos?

Birgit
This may be the source of the issue.
Bridge is NOT Photoshop, but an alternative file organiser. So when you set Bridge as an external editor you're really sending the pics to another organiser, not an editor. Presumably from there they go to Photoshop and are then saved back... to Bridge, not iPhoto.
Try setting PS as the editor not Bridge and see does that make a difference,
Also, when you send pics to an external editor, only a maximum of 4 will go. So you can only work in batches of four.
Regards
TD

Aperture Removal & Photoshop

I can't seem to find an answer for this. I installed the trial version of Aperture but after the expiration date I removed it because I have to wait to purchase later. Now when I open Photoshop CS3, to look for my photos through iPhoto, it is no longer visible in the right column. I can't pull any photos, jpg or camera raw from the iPhoto library because it's not showing any longer. I was able to do this before installing Aperture.
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Thanks, Pat

iPhoto menu ==> preferences ==>General - edit photo in external editor
Set PS at the external editor
If you want it to be optional set the edit photo back to in main window - if you do this the normal editing will be in iPhoto and if you right click (control click) on a photo you will get a menu to choose PS
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Massive colour variation from Aperture to Photoshop

Hi there
I have experienced a startling colour variation when exporting an image form Aperture to Photoshop 3 (for a bit of tweaking).
Please see this screen grab which shows the variation - particularly the desaturated reds in p/shop:
http://www.white-adams.co.uk/white-adams.co.uk/ScreenGrab.tif
(although the screen grab is less dramatic varied than the reality on screen here).
Some background:
File is a raw file with some basic adjustments made in Aperture
I then right-clicked on the version made in Aperture and selected "edit with" Photoshop CS3
Can anyone help me explain the variation?
If I want to get this image printed and I export it from Aperture will it retain the lovely saturated reds - or look more like the photoshop version?!
Help!
Kind regards
Robert

have checked soft-proofing is off in Photoshop
Configuring Photoshop for compatible assumptions is complex. The first ICC-enabled version was 6 and it introduced dialogues including Colour Settings, Proof Setup, Proof Colours, Print with Preview > Colour Management on top of the old PostScript colour management model and the even older PostScript level 1 model where transfer curves and frequency algorithms get programmed into Encapsulated PostScript and change the calibration of the raster image processor at runtime.
The controls are here and there technically non-sensical. A couple of critical controls are Simulate > Paper White and Simulate > Ink Black. The English is non-sense, so the localisations are non-sense. If EU localisations are inverted back into English, they read Simulate > White Paper and Simulate > Black Ink - including the German localisation that one would suppose the good people at Heidelberg, FOGRA and Bundesverband Druck und Medien would have had their beady eyes on.
Why is the English technical non-sense? Because in a colour test chart there is a null colourant patch where the spectrophotometer measures the colour of the paper itself (its L* lightness and its ab hue and chroma); a patch where the colourant combination is C100 M100 Y100 K100 which is where the spectrophometer measures maximum process black; and a patch where the colourant is K100 where the spectrophotometer measures black solid and solo.
Process black in C100 M100 Y100 K100 is what Photoshop uses in Simulate > Ink Black and the colour of paper measured in the null colourant patch is used in Simulate > Paper White. There were discussions with Adobe in 2004 and again in the following, but I stopped trying to get them to change either their localisations or their source English - let alone the multiple modal dialogues for controlling rendering intent configurations.
With regard to Aperture, the idea of allowing the enduser to apply a gamma correction on top of the colour management input-output is not a good idea. It helps the one person who doesn't have proper studio lighting for a display-print match, but it does not help the colour management process with other people in a workgroup.
/hh

Aperture to Photoshop

Hello,
I cant seem to send out the changes I have made in aperture to photoshop. For example, I will make adjustements to my original image and afterwards select "Edit with photoshop CS3" but only the original picture without the adjustments appears in photoshop. The only way i can get the changes to appear is if i duplicate in aperture before sending to photoshop. Any ideas?

I have the same issue and think its kind of lame that you would have to save presets... i think its an issue with the software... I would like to hear someone proficient in Aperture explain why this is.

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When I click open with externel editor, which is Photoshop CS3, on a raw file, the file will be opened in photoshop according to the title bar as filename.psd@50%(RGB/16*). This means, I guess, I have a 16Bit RGB file. However I can not apply most of the filters to that file as the are greyed out. I wanted to use Lightning Effects, and PS online help says this is only possible with RGB files. What is it I am doing wrong? Why does Aperture not export the required photoshop file?
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Jan

Stephen is correct. What he may not have made clear is that your problem is a Photoshop "problem" not Aperture. In Photoshop go to "Image", "Mode" and change to 8 bit. Your filters and tools should all work. Good luck.

Configuring a MacPro for Photoshop CS3/Lightroom/CS3 Suite usage

After hearing that Leopard is delayed for a few more months, I've decided to go ahead and buy a MacPro now instead of waiting any longer (was going to hold out until after the WWDC in June). There are a couple of important details that I'm unsure about, and wonder if anyone here offer any wisdom about them.
Right now I'm looking at the quad 2.66GHz MacPro. I'm uncertain about how much RAM to add, as I work with large Photoshop files (up to 1GB in size), and will typically have Photoshop CS3 and other CS3 apps running along side of Lightroom, etc. at the same time. How much memory will Photoshop CS3 be able to really utilize, and how much additional memory would the other applications need on top of that? I'm guessing 4-6 GB of RAM total, but would there be any advantage to having more RAM? I'm also unsure about which video card would be sufficient, e.g whether the Radeon X1900 XT is worth it versus the stock GeForce 7300 GT if I don't plan to use Aperture or two 30" monitors? I don't know how the new Adobe apps will respond to more GPU horsepower if at all.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
Dual MDD PowerMac 1GHz Mac OS X (10.4.9) 2GB RAM, lots of storage internal and external

How much memory will Photoshop CS3 be able to really utilize, and how much additional memory would the other applications need on top of that?
Presuming Photoshop CS3 utilizes system memory for caching in the same way that CS2 does then the answer is all of it. It's actually quite clever. For instance, if you have 6GB system memory and 3GB allocated specifically to PS, if PS needs more than that 3GB then it'll ask the Mac OS X memory manager to handle the caching. Mac OS X being as clever as it is will do as best it can and if it's available as RAM it'll provide that.
I'm guessing 4-6 GB of RAM total, but would there be any advantage to having more RAM?
That'll depend on how many applications and processes you like to be running at once. For Photoshop it's fine. I would probably suggest starting with 5GB (4 x 1GB + factory 2 x 512MB) and see how you go.
I'm also unsure about which video card would be sufficient, e.g whether the Radeon X1900 XT is worth it versus the stock GeForce 7300 GT if I don't plan to use Aperture or two 30" monitors?
Currently the Adobe CS3 design (as opposed to the video) applications don't make specific use of the GPU. That does not mean it'll stay like that, especially given Adobe has public said they are looking into doing so (whether it pans out is another matter). You might want to consider it as a "future proofing" although I don't believe it's necessary as of today and CS3.

AP2-Photoshop CS3 - Open as "Smart Object"

Good evening,
Users of Adobe Photoshop CS3 will know that there is a possibility in Adobe Camera Raw to open a RAW file as "Smart Object" (by holding down the shift key). This way one can easily copy the Smart Object, go back to Camera Raw, tweak the settings, and blend the two objects together.
I am wondering whether anyone has found a solution in Aperture 2 to open an image in Photoshop as smart object...
Thanks,
Philipp

you can't open a file from aperture as smart object in photoshop. but as you can assign your own shortcuts to all menu commands and functions in photoshop, why not create a shortcut to convert any image layer into a smart object? (photoshop menu: layers - smart object - convert to smart object). this way, it only takes you a press of a key, and you have your smart object.
having said this, keep in mind, there is of course quite a different to raw files opened as smart objects through camera raw: if done with cr, the smart object lets you change the raw conversion again. aperture however renders a psd or tiff before sending it to photoshop. so even if you convert this to a smart object, you will not have access to the original raw file.

Imageready cs2 to photoshop cs3 file conversion

hello;
when opening a Imageready file with rollovers in Photoshop CS3 you only get the "normal state"
anybody knows of an app or plugin that would convert all old rollover states in a way PS CS3 understands?
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"Will there ever" is a loaded question Apple rarely comments on future product releases, and anyone that would know wouldn't be able to comment.
So it's not possible to say if future dodge & burn (or other plugins) can work without rendering a TIFF file.
As far as "multiple file formats" though -- it shouldn't really be something you need to worry about (other than the fact that the TIFF takes up some disk space). You can export to JPEG from the original or the version, and Aperture will track the files together.

Adobe Photoshop CS3 Image Processor not converting files to sRGB Profile

I have been experiencing a problem with Photoshop CS3 Image Processor no longer converting profiles to sRGB. It converts all of the files from Camera Raw to JPEG, but not sRGB as well. I used to be able to batch convert an entire folder of RAW images to JPEG, sRGB through the Image Processor.
My Photoshop CS3 Working Space is Adobe RGB (1998). I need to convert an entire folder of images selected in Bridge to sRGB working space in order to publish a photo album from one of the on-line publishing companies. I can open each individual Camera Raw file in Photoshop and convert each to JPEG, sRGB, but this takes a tremendous amount of time.
The following procedure has worked for me in the past, but for some reason no longer works:
I select the images in the desired Bridge CS3 folder. Upper tool bar, "Tools" > "Photoshop" > "Image Processor". In Image Processor:
Section 1 - ""Process files from Bridge only (11)" Whether or not I place a checkmark by "Open first image to apply settings", it makes no difference in the outcome.
Section 2: "Save in same location"
Section 3 - "Checkmark by "Save as JPEG, quality 12". Also a checkmark by "Convert Profile to sRGB"
Section 4 - Checkmark by "Include ICC Profile"
I replaced my iMac one month ago and reinstalled Photoshop CS3, but this Image Processor problem had been occurring even with my old computer.
Not sure if you need this information:
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Memory: 8 GB 1333 Mhz DDR3
I don't know if it's related, Photoshop CS3 on my old computer was running in Rosetta. I don't know if it's running in Rosetta now, the name does not appear when Photoshop boots up. How do I get it to run in Rosetta again?

Heh heh heh. It's always true that we find the answer just after making public our problems, which in turn we did after trying to find the problems ourselves for hours.
Thanks for following up with the answer.
-Noel

How to install Camera RAW update for Photoshop CS3?

I know this is an ancient version! But for now it's all I need. Anyway...
My Adobe Updater says "No Internet connection. Please check your Internet settings and/or firewall. Waiting for connection..." That's the first problem. I figured out how to manually update Photoshop and Bridge, but Adobe Updater still shows this message when trying to check for updates. Also, I've tried to update Camera Raw from 4.0 to 4.6 and I can't figure out how to manually install it. I knkow the website says to do the following:
Mac:
Exit Photoshop CS3 and Adobe Bridge.
Open the Finder.
Navigate to the root of the local disk (not the user’s home folder).
Navigate to Library/Application Support/Adobe/Plug-Ins/CS3/File Formats.
Move the existing plug-in to another location (for example, a new folder on your desktop). Ensureyou keep this version in case you need to revert back.
Copy the Camera Raw plug-in, Camera Raw, from the download into the same folder as in Step 4.
Launch Photoshop CS3 or Adobe Bridge.
I manually entered "Library/Application Support/Adobe/Plug-Ins/CS3/File Formats" and it says this folder doesn't exist. Can anyone help me update my camera raw?!
Thank you so much!

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Mac:
1. Exit Photoshop CS3 and Adobe Bridge.
2. Open the Finder.
3. Navigate to the root of the local disk (not the user’s home folder).
4. Navigate to Library/Application Support/Adobe/Plug-Ins/CS3/File Formats.
5. Move the existing plug-in to another location (for example, a new folder on your desktop). Ensure
you keep this version in case you need to revert back.
6. Copy the Camera Raw plug-in, Camera Raw, from the download into the same folder as in Step 4.
7. Launch Photoshop CS3 or Adobe Bridge.

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