Aperture 3.03 & Photoshop CS4 round-trip

I'm trying to make a round-trip between Aperture 3.03 and CS4 Photoshop.
Background: I've chosen CS4 Photoshop as my external editor - 16-bit PSD
Problem: When I select an image and "Edit with CS4", I successfully launch the image in CS4. I made a filter change (Lens Correction) and then did a "SAVE" within CS4. The PS version appears "very briefly" within Aperture 3.03 and then disappears.
Attempt at a solution: Tossed "com.apple.Aperture.plist" preferences file and re-launched Aperture.... result - CS4 edited version still disappears in Aperture browser window.
Any suggestions?
Thank you.
Dale

Ensure maximise compatibility is checked when you save the psd file.
Ensure you're in RGB colour space.
What happens when you quit and re-open aperture does it show for a second or stay disappear - does it show a dotted outline? Can you open the file in full screen?
Thanks
M.

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