APERTURE 3.1.2'S MAXIMUM LIBRARY SIZE?

I HAVE MY APERTURE 3.1.2'S LIBRARY FILE STORED ON AN EXTERNAL DISK. IT IS OVER 150 GB IN SIZE (ALONG WITH ITS VAULT SIZE OF ANOTHER 148 GB. I'VE ATTEMPTED TO FIND WHAT THE MAXIMUM SIZE THIS FILE CAN/SHOULD BE BUT CANNOT FIND IT IN APERTURE'S LITERATURE. SO, IS THERE A MAXIMUM SIZE AND IF SO, HOW BIG CAN IT GET AND NOT EXHIBIT ANY PROBLEMS?
ALSO, IF I CREATE ANOTHER LIBRARY FILE AND NAME IT DIFFERENTLY, HOW COULD I HAVE THE SAME PROJECTS, ALBUMS, AND FOLDERS BE IN THE NEW FILE (OF COURSE, WITHOUT ANY OF THEIR PHOTO FILES -- EMPTY SO I CAN ADD TO THEM AS I CONTUNE MANAGING MY PHOTOS?
I LOVE THIS PROGRAM -- ALTHOUGH IT GIVES ME THE "CIRCULAR RAINBOW" A LOT OF THE TIME. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS BECAUSE THE FILE IS SO BIG AND MY MACBOOK PRO 17" IS OVER 2.5 YEARS OLD. I HAVE THE MAX RAM FOR IT (@ 3GB) AND I RUN DISK UTILITY EVERY OTHER DAY TO REPAIR PERMISSIONS. I HAVE OVER 400 GB REMAINING ON MY EXTERNAL DRIVE OF ITS MAXIMUM OF 2 TB. MY MACBOOK'S HARD DRIVE IS 160GB AND HAS ONLY 17GB REMAINING. THIS IS THE REASON I HAVE TO LOCATE MY LIBRARY FILE (AND MY iTUNES MUSIC FILES) ON EXTERNAL DISKS.
ANY RESPONSE TO THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED:
CREATE A NEW LIBRARY FILE WITH THE SAME STRUCTURE AND MY CURRENT ONE (BUT CONTAINING NO PHOTOS YET)?
MAXIMUM FILE SIZE OF ANY APERTURE 3.1.2 LIBRARY FILE?
MINIMIZE "CIRCULAR RAINBOW" ACTIVITY?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
LARRY W. HAMILTON

Hi Larry -- welcome to our sunny clearing in the orchard.
Please don't post in ALL CAPS. It means you ARE SHOUTING. There is no reason to shout. Regularly capitalized text is also easier to read.
You need more RAM. Aperture stresses hardware. 4 GB RAM is a working minimum. If you have only 4 GB you should not run any other programs when Aperture is running.
Library size, in GB or in number of Images under management, is not a concern as long as you have the storage space. I have run Libraries of several hundred thousand Images and over 500 GB on machines with 4 GB RAM.
You should upgrade to the newest Aperture version. It is 3.2.2. The upgrade is free for owners of 3.x.
You should leave at least 15% of your system drive empty -- the OS uses this. At just 17 GB free on yours, you should open up some more free space.
Two changes may keep your computer from hanging as much as it does. In Aperture, turn off sharing Previews, and turn off Faces. Each of these eats processor cycles.
Are you connecting your external drive with FW800? FW400?

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