Aperture 3 and Relocated Masters

Hi all,
I'm using Aperture 3 and I store my master files on NAS (external network drive)
When I try to delete all masters and versions from Trash, I'm having:
• You don’t have access to the System Trash on the master files’ volume.
This is very annoying. I have full RW access on my NAS, why Aperture can't delete it?
I've seen workarounds with Consolidating Masters (but I don't want to move big amounts of photos all the time when I want to delete masters - it is very slow through wi-fi)
Also I've seen AppleScript implementation - but not for me also - you have to delete masters with script, and then not forget to delete versions and previews with Aperture tools.
Maybe there are other advices?

If both libraries somehow pointed to the same masters, and you deleted the masters via one library, it's possible the masters are gone and the references the second library has now point to a file which no longer exists.
I can't say how you got in the state you did, but until you reconcile things, I wouldn't recommend you go around deleting things that you don't want to lose.

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I have repaired permissions, repaired the library, and am now trying a rebuild. If this doesn't work, i think my only option is to start over. i do have a good backup of Aperture/iPhoto will all files intact on an EHD.
Phew....hope this makes sense, and looking for guidance if possible. If I do need to start over, would I just uninstall Aperture, and iPhoto, then re-download them, or just drag and drop the backup from the EHD and that will work?
thanks so much to any "helpers"!

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thanks corky! since i'm such a novice, a little of that was over my head, but i love to learn new things!
Sorry if I gave too much detail. In a nutshell, the user library folder (which is hidden by default in Lion and Mountain Lion) simply holds settings for any given program including settings the user can change in the program. All of the files in that folder are recreated either automatically by the program when launched again, or by the user making setting changes in the program again. Leaving them in place for a re-install is fine as long as none are corrupted.
Well, i kinda jumped ahead, and hope i didn't make it worse. I already put the corrupt AP library in my trash and it's emptying right now. i didn't see the need to keep it, plus with as many files as it contained (over 300,000 as i said), I felt like i needed to get it off my hd. kind of like smelly old food! (bad analogy, i know!)
Not a problem since you have a known good backup library on the EHD.
So, that said, if i understand correctly, i will open Ap after, import a few images-from where? I won't have a library any more. Then if i works correctly, I would drag the good backup from my EHD, to the PIctures folder in the Finder window, and then import to Aperture from there? Just do "import", and then that's it, or is it more complicated than that?
Once you launch Aperture for the first time after re-install, import any pictures you have to test with. Take a couple pictures on your camera and then import those. Make sure you can import successfully and that you can add adjustments. Then export them to anywhere you want (Desktop, Pictures folder, or any other folder) to make sure the export function works correctly. If all is fine, quit Aperture and then delete that library (which should be quite small and quick to delete).
Connect the EHD and then drag your known good backup library to the Pictures folder and then double-click it to load it. You should then be back to square one before everything went sideways (assuming the backup is a managed library with the Master (Originals) in the library).
Note - if you were running a Referenced library (where the Masters (Originals) were located outside the library package in Finder folders) - then you will need to make sure the Masters (Originals) are located in their correct locations before launching the good library so the library will locate them automatically. I mention this because you said in your opening post that you were combining libraries and relocating Masters so I am not sure what type of library the known good backup library is.
FWIW, the default library type for Aperture is a Managed library where the imported images are stored inside the library package.

HELP! Aperture corrupting my library when relocating masters

I keep my aperture library on my system disk, and I use referenced masters on a NAS. Everything seems to have been working fine until now. I had a rather large project that I was cleaning up, wanting to delete my no longer needed masters (about 2200 out of 3500 files). Unfortunately, I forgot to check the box to delete referenced masters - I didn't even realize it was there until I went searching when it didn't delete them. Anyway, what I thought I would do is simply relocate the masters from by project to a new project, then I could delete the masters left behind.
What happened was that Aperture started moving masters from other projects into the new project - Files that were not selected in Aperture when I executed the relocate masters command. Now these other projects have lots of images with "unsupported image format", I'm assuming for the masters that got moved into this new project. What happened?

I've attempted to fix this by restoring the JPEG files that I had originally "removed". This did not seem to resolve the problem as when exporting the masters I still find many, many files from other projects being exported as part of this project.
Granted, I brought this problem on myself by deleting the JPEGs, however this seems like a pretty serious defect in Aperture. I could understand if after deleting a JPEG Aperture could not locate the JPEG master and displayed some sort of indicator of such. However there is no indication that anything is wrong, it's just picking up random files in place of the JPEGs, and in those other projects, the images are "unsupported file format" with the filename showing some sort of metadata in an iPhoto library on the same disk.
I have a vault that probably has the database from these other projects intact. Is there a way to restore that information? (remember that all the masters are relocated).
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer to help fix this.
- Howie

Aperture hangs upon Relocating Masters

I'm trying to relocate my masters to an external drive.
First time I tried it it started working then hung on one photo (untitled-1, or something generic like that).
I Force quit Aperature then thought it was because Iphoto was open, so I closed it.
I tried it again (relocate masters) and the progress bar doesn't even stop and it says Aperture is not responding.
So, what do I do now? Does Relocating Masters MOVE them, deleting them from their original location? If you do it twice will it just try to move what it hasn't already?
I have a time machine backup from yesterday, but would like advice on how to proceed now. ugh!

When you imported your images from iPhoto how did you do it? Try to be as exact as possible.
If you used the *File->Import->iPhoto Library* there were 3 choices:
# Leave masters in iPhoto library
# put masters into Aperture library
# put masters somewhere else on your HD
Cases 1 & 3 would make referenced masters, case 2 would make the masters managed. In cases 2 & 3 the files are copied out of the iPhoto library. In case 1 the masters stayed in the iPhoto library.
Assuming that after you did the import you didn't do anything like delete the iPhoto library then the iPhoto library should be as it was before you did the import into Aperture.
You could create a new empty Aperture library and do the import from iPhoto again starting from scratch with the added bonus of your increased knowledge of the whole process. When I first got Aperture I imported by iPhoto library numerous times trying out different scenarios each time until I got it the way I wanted it.
If you have any other questions post back, good luck.

How do you both move from iPhoto and get masters on an external drive?

My partner currently has her photo library part in iPhoto and part in folders on her desktop (not imported or referenced by iPhoto). She has a MacBook Pro.
She now wants to buy Aperture and we want to put all the Masters on a connected hard drive as referenced masters with Aperture and its library file on the MacBook to minimise space problems.
I understand you can import the iPhoto library in its current location. Once that has been done, if we relocate masters to the external drive will that move or copy the iPhoto masters to the external drive? If it is a copy then I assume that once we are happy everything is as it should be with the masters on the hard drive then we can delete the iPhoto library.
If we import the jpegs which are not in the iPhoto library - after relocating the masters to the external drive - then will they be moved to the external drive from the drive of the MacPro?
It seems like you can get to a similar place by a different route by consolidating masters. Is that a better route?
Many thanks for any help you can give.

To be clear the final setup you want is to have the Aperture library on the internal HD and the masters referenced on an external HD.
When you import the iPhoto library you can place the masters on the external drive as referenced in one step. In the import window for the iPhoto library you will be able to choose the external drive as the destination for the masters:
Select the Store Files: pulldown and set the destination for the masters to the external drive. Select the way you want the folder structure for the referenced masters using the Subfolders: pulldown and finally set the way you want the versions in Aperture to be named.
The masters will be copied once you are sure that the operation has been successful you can remove the iPhoto library from the internal drive.
When you import the images not in the iPhoto library you can use the File->Import Folders as Projects command. Again you will be able to do the import and moving the masters to the external drive in one step. The window will be similar to the one above. As you did above set the destination for the masters and import.
good luck

Want to clear images out of Aperture and start over

Probably a dumb question, but I "played" around with Aperture-- imported some images etc and even have a couple of projects.
However, after doing some study-- listening to tutorials I would like to start over.
How can I clear everything out without losing anything.
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I found the vault getting rather large and in 1.5 you can have your masters in different folders or hard drives.
Under the 'File' menu you can select 'Relocate Master'. So select the project you want to move, choose 'Relocate Master' from the 'File' menu and Aperture moves the masters & versions from the Vault to the location of your choice. I gaind a lot of hard drive space doing this, relocating masters to another drive.

Aperture cannot locate masters

I upgraded to Aperture 3 a while back. I thought everything had gone well until recently. I have gone into the library and realized that almost all of my photos have a little exclamation point next to them saying the master cannot be located, and because of this I cannot do anything with the photos.
What I do know, is my library is close to 20 GB and when I upgraded from version 2, all of my photos had been consolidated to be kept within the Aperture library.
So what is going on? And what do I need to fix this and not lose a lifetime of photos? The only photos not showing the warning are those that I copied and pasted a folder into the PHOTOS folder on my mac, in other words, anything that wasn't a part of the Aperture library. I see a lot of talk about going into the program and relocating the masters and then having Aperture find the rest on its own, the problem with this is that I am 100% certain Aperture consolidated everything I had. I never used an external drive either.

Have a look into your Aperture library.
Ctrl-click the Aperture library, select "Show Package Contents" from the pop-up menu, and in the Finder window that will open, look into the "Masters" folder.
You will see folders organized by the date of the import session, not the capture date.
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Regards
Léonie

HELP! Sudden weird behavior in Aperture and MobileMe!

So, I am running the latest version of Aperture and have been successfully publishing many albums to mobileme.
I have several external hard drives connected to my computer, and almost all of my image files in aperture are referenced. Lately I have been importing the images from SD cards directly into the aperture library, editing, then relocating the masters so that i would only store the keepers (i went this route because it was unclear to me whether or not originals were also deleted if i deleted referenced files--the pop up wording seems vague to me). I usually back up the new image files on the harddrives manually, and then back up the aperture library to a vault after every major import. I also wait until I have done this to reformat my sd cards.
Of course, this morning, something happened. We had a power outage, and although i have my entire system on UPS units, i had to shut everything down because the batteries only last so long. I did not have time to perform my usual Vault back up. I had a handful of projects with masters in the aperture library (not yet edited and masters relocated). There is one project I do not still have on sd card so that one (and inconvenience for the others) hangs in the balance.
The situation is this: When I rebooted after our power outage (i reiterate that all hard drives as well as the main mac were shut down safely and properly on battery power), all referenced file projects appear normal, but I cannot see any images in the projects with masters stored in the aperture library. The weird part is that if i put the pointer over those projects, i do get the little balloon that tells me how many versions are in each project. It's like aperture knows they are there, but I don't see them. And another weird thing--the REJECTED images from these projects DO appear when I click on the Rejected Smart Album. And the starred images from those projects DO appear when I click on the one-star-or-better smart album. I don't get it.
I also cannot see some of the mobileme galleries within aperture when i select them. When i went on-line to see my gallery, there is some weird behavior...some albums are acting strange, confusing images from other albums, or not accepting my username and password settings (I know they are right), or giving me a different album when I select one to look at.
PLEASE HELP if you can. If I need to, I can always restart from my vault version of the library and reimport last week's stuff from the sd cards, but i'd rather not do that, not to mention there is that one project i will lose.
I'm here waiting for anyone who thinks they can help!
Thanks,
Heather
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Hi Heather
I was wondering if I was the only one with this problem. Unfortunately I don't have an answer. I'm running Aperture 2 on a MacBook, with my library on an external drive. The problem is increasing; it seems that most (but not all) recent projects are affected, but none that I created before the problem first started.

Can't get hold of my relocated masters on an external drive?

All of a sudden I am not any longer able to get in touch with my relocated masters (on an external drive). I can SEE them, but is not allowed to "consolidate" them or use them for f. inst. EXPORT to 3rd part (Smugmug etc). The drive as such is mechanically ok, well functioning, and in Finder I can see all of the files (masters)...which in Aperture are having a "RED" dot in the small logo in the corner of the photo, indicating that they are held on an external drive...Would be most thankful for any help/advide about how to solve this problem, thanks.

Thanks a lot Frank for your willingness to help. YES, you are right (just did not the right expression: BADGE for offline referenced original" I have quite a few of such files, in order to economize with the space on my system HD (Macbook Pro), and I'll have to continue that way in the light of my recent investment - a NIKON D800, the files of which, as you will know, are huge.
The whole problem started when I had to find a new hosting place in the light of Apples closing down of "Me.com". When I closed my account with Apple with a view of leaving Me.com and start moving the majority of my photos to Smugmug, for unknown reasons I ended up with 2 (TWO) databases within Aperture - most recent version. And a big number of my MASTER photos held on an external drive all of a sudden proved to be unreachable, however, I could/can SEE them (with the badge in question) when in Aperture AND also in Finder - but can't CONSOLIDATE them/get them back to the appropriate PROJETS within Aperture.
Meanwhile I have tried to bring things back to normal by merging the two databases, and or by a "REPAIR" database - all steps so far in vain.
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Aperture and storing files on external

I've been using Aperture for a few months and I would like to take some of my Projects and move them to external storage. I've been googling this and have seen several different options from creating new libraries on the external storage to relocating masters. I've got a few questions. Basically, I'm just wanting to not put so much of a hard drive burden on my laptop and really only need some of the projects with me, but I'm not sure that I want all of my masters on an external device. What is the Apple suggested way of handling this, I'm just wanting to get this set up in the easiest to maintain and most reliable.

Hi hallm74 -- welcome to the user-to-user Aperture forum. Lots and lots of good stuff here -- be sure to search the forum.
There is a conceptual hurdle to what you want to do, but in practice it is easy to do and easy to maintain. Aperture contains direct, useful, and bug-free tools for moving and linking to your Masters.
It is vital that you understand the difference between a Managed Master and a Referenced Master:
+ [If the original image file|http://discussions.apple.com/messageview.jspa?messageID=13124533&stqc=true] is contained within your Library, it is called a *Managed Master* (Aperture's pointer to this file, and the file itself, are both inside the Library). If the original image file is not contained within your Library, it is called a *Referenced Master* (the pointer in your Aperture Library points to a file outside your Aperture Library). +
Additional information about Managed and Referenced Masters can be found in this section of the Users Manual: [What Are Managed Images and Referenced Images?|http://documentation.apple.com/en/aperture/usermanual/index.html#chapte r=3%26section=1%26tasks=true]
The Aperture Users Manual recommends moving older or not-regularly-adjusted Masters to an external drive in order to free up space on your system drive. Simply select the images whose Masters you wish to relocate, and run the command "File→Relocate Masters".
To select all the files in multiple Project, {Command}+click each Projects name in the Library tab of the Inspector to open them all in one Browser, then "Select All".
You will need to specify a folder system for your Masters as they are moved to your external drive. Select one which makes sense to you. +Do not worry about matching Finder folders to your Aperture LIbrary Folders or Projects.+ You are using Aperture to manage your images -- you don't need to duplicate this (and in many cases cannot) in Finder. If none of the options make sense to you, use "Y/M/D" folders. I suggest creating a top-level folder on your external drive, "Aperture Master Files".
You can easily change any Master or set of Masters from Referenced to Managed and back.
The biggest difference between the two is that you cannot make adjustments to or export an image when its Master is off-line. But you can do all other administrative tasks: rank images, label images, keyword images, etc.
You must back-up your Referenced Masters yourself. They are not included in the Aperture Vault (which you may not be using).
If you haven't yet, set your Previews to the dimensions of the largest monitor you use (connected monitors show up in the list with an asterisk).
Good luck. Ask questions when you have them.
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Personally, I have a large iPhoto library with most photos tagged with keywords. I have just started using Aperture and am yet to decide if its extra features are useful for a novice photographer like myself. Other than the price, I see no reason not to use Aperture instead of iPhoto but I would want to import my entire iPhoto library into Aperture.
My question, however, is why we need to 'import' from one app to the other. Without understanding how the aperture / iphoto databases work, I would assume there is no fundamental reason why Aperture could not simply open an existing iPhoto library and visa versa. They both support RAW, keywords, books etc. And while I am sure there are some deviations in the databases, surely each app could simply ignore the features it does not understand.
Is this something that anyone else has considered or think would be good. I would imagine that the easier it is for customers to upgrade from iPhoto to Aperture the better. Does Apple plan on supporting this in the future or is the import option 'good enough'.
Cheers

Can I and if so how do I best set up Aperture as main app. (master) with iPhoto as sub app that accesses the same library to sort through, look at, order books, etc.
Simply set the Preferences to 'Share Previews with iLife Applications' in Aperture. Then go to iPhoto -> File -> Show Aperture Library. A media browser will open and you can drag the pics from the Browser to the iPhoto Window. Note: You're getting the Aperture Previews not Masters. Note too that if you set iPhoto to Referenced mode (iPhoto -> Preferences -> Advanced) then you won't use double the disk space.
+Remember though, you are not accessing the Aperture Library. If you make changes in the Aperture Library (Re-edit the shots) after bringing pics to iPhoto, those changes are not reflected in iPhoto.+
This is what William means when he says the iPhoto does not access the Aperture Library.
Regards
TD

Re: Aperture and storing files on external

Hi.
After reading this thread I guess I done something stupid...
I have a MBP mid 2009 with 500GB drive. I use Aperture for my photos but some time ago I run out of space on the internal disk. So after reading a bit about Aperture being capable to handle multiple library I marked a bunch of projects/events in Aperture library and exported as a new external library on an external disk. So far so god, I thought....
But now I'm getting close to running out of space again on the internal drive, so my plan was to mark more projects/events and export them in to the same external library that I created earlier, like fill it up a bit more to free more space on my MBP.
But, I haven't really found out how it can be done, or if it can be done. And now after reading this tread and the posts talking about +reference masters+ and not, I start wondering if I did something really stupid when I exported to a external drive as a new library.
How should I do now to get back on track, the right track again? So that I end up with my projects/events pictures on an external drive freeing space on my MBP and get everything right regardig the reference masters, so that I easily can manage my library in the future when it grow?
I'm not so experienced with Aperture so explain to me as for a three year old, as Tom Hanks said...

Well, now I have fiddle around a bit with all the explanations and recommendations I've got from you guys, and so far so good I guess.
I started with opening Aperture and the external library and Photos and selected them all , then used Relocate Masters to a newly created folder named Aperture Masters.
Then when it was completed I have to switch to the internal library and again used Relocate Masters, after selected all those photos to the same folder as the last one.
Now I had enough space on my internal disk to bring the external library with pointers (as some one called them) back in to my internal disk. But when I tried to Merge the to "pointer libraries" together something went wrong, because Aperture freezed halfway through the progress and I had to force it to close after some hours waiting without any sign of life from Aperture. I tried it again but the same result, it frooze. So I had to try with Add Library instead, and that worked. But suddenly many of the project was doublettes. But after checking them it was clear that of to of the same project folders, just one was a complete and correct one. The other one lacked some of the EXIF-info and some of the photos. And when I checked it up in the folder Aperture Masters there was not two copies of those folders. So I'll guess that fenomena was caused of Aperture freezing during my tries to merge the to libraries toghether.
Now I have some therapy work with going through all the projects to find those which there are to of the same, and then check which one of them to delete, then I'll have everything sorted out I'll guess. And finally end up with all the masters on my external disk and still one complete "pointer library" on my internal disk, and plenty of free space on my internal disk again.
Thank's for the help guys

How do I transfer photos from aperture and iPhoto to bridge?

How do I transfer photos from Aperture and iPhoto to Adobe Bridge. I am using Photoshop CS6. Many of my original photos were stored as raw files.

Here's how to access Mac iPhoto images for use in Photoshop
and so that they may be viewed by choosing that folder in Bridge..
1. In the Finder, navigate to Users > [user name} > Pictures > iPhoto Library.
2. Control-click (Right-click) the iPhoto Library file and choose Show Package Contents.
3. A Finder window opens that shows the contents. The Masters folder (or called Originals folder) contains all of the photographs that are in iPhoto.
Photoshop cannot access this folder, but if you make a duplicate of the folder, the dupe will be accessible -- so:
4. Control-click (Right-click) the folder named Masters (or Originals) and choose Duplicate.
5, Drag the duplicate folder which is named "Masters copy" or “Originals copy” from the iPhoto Library Finder window to the Desktop.
6. Open images in Photoshop from file on desktop or view them in Bridge.
7 Rename the folder and move it elsewhere (probably to the Pictures folder), if desired.
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How do I transfer Apple Aperture library to Bridge?

Another Aperture and iPhoto problem i am having

I today imported 5 photos into aperture, i done keywords and other metadata pictures are all jpeg large 12 MP images. I then go-to the new iphoto 09 and again select show Aperture library find the pictures and drag them into a album on iphoto for easy uploading to facebook etc 3 of the pictures in iphoto when clicked are good clear images the other two when clicked are poor quality scaled down images why?. I thought the masters were left within aperture, and iphoto just loads them from AP. Can somebody explain ?

For most folks using the Previews is pefectly good. And bearing in mind what Facebook will do to the shots there’s no doubt that the Previews will be perfectly adequate.
You can set the quality of the Previews in the Aperture Preferences -> Preview Pane.
If you want to use full size pics then you’ll need to export from Aperture and then import to iPhoto. However, if Facebook is the destination then that’s utterly pointless. From what I’ve seen no matter what you upload they compress the cr*p out of it, strip the metadata and colour management.
Regards
TD

Exporting 7 min. video from Aperture and received error. How can I get the original back?

I uploaded a video from my iphone 5 into Aperture and then I tried to export it to my desktop. After I clicked on Export, it attempted to export for a while but then gave me an error message saying that 0 of 1 videos was exported and it couldn't export. Now it shows the video in the album in Aperture, but it won't play and I can't do anything with it. I have tried to recall the original but it says there is no original and it says there are no referenced files when I try to reference the files. The clip also shows an arrow pointing to the right with a yellow triangle by it. This is located in the bottom right of the image, right next to the video icon. My concern is that I tried to export the original. Any ideas on how I can fix this and get the video back?

The clip also shows an arrow pointing to the right with a yellow triangle by it. This is located in the bottom right of the image, right next to the video icon.
Is that the badge you are seeing? Then Aperture has lost the connection to the original video file.
Now it shows the video in the album in Aperture, but it won't play and I can't do anything with it. I have tried to recall the original but it says there is no original and it says there are no referenced files when I try to reference the files.
You tried to reconenct and locate the referenced file? Then you probably imported the video as "Managed" and then the commands for referenced files do not work.
Look directly into your Aperture library package, if the video is still there:
Select the Aperture Library in the Finder and ctrl-click(or right click) it.
Then select "Show Package Contents" from the pop-up.
In the Finder window that opens scroll down to the "Masters" folder and open its subfolder "2013" and then go to the month and day, when you imported your video. Do you see your video there, or any imports at all?
If you see the video in your library package, copy it to the Desktop, ad check, if you camn play it.
What do you see?
Regards
Léonie

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