Aperture 3 library 3x larger than iPhoto 09.

My Aperture library is sitting at about 4.5 gigs. Not really a big deal as I only have aprox 2000 photos.
My question; If I kept my original photos on an external drive, would the Aperture library on my main drive use less space?
Thanks,
Ed

Yes. You can subtract the size of the 2k pics from the total.
Regards
TD

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Using Reference Files - Aperture Library still larger than file storage

Still new to Aperture, and so far LOVE the metadata tagging functionality, but am troubled by the huge size of the Aperture library. Here's my stats so far, after a couple of days of importing, with no image management done so far other than assigning some metadata...
# photos managed as reference files=1175
Size of folder where reference files are stored=883MB
Size of Aperture library (.aplibrary)=1.44GB
My expectation would be that the ratio of Aperture library to reference file folder would be about 1/10. But 1.6/1 seems way out of whack. I selected all photos within Aperture and then selected "Manage Reference Files..." and all 1175 file references showed up. On that basis, I'm pretty confident that the jpegs aren't being copied into the Aperture library. But I cannot explain why the library continues to be 1.5+ times as large as the reference file folder.
This seems to defeat the purpose of keeping reference files external from Aperture.
Am I missing something, or is this to be expected? If these ratios hold, then it seems if I end up managing 10GB of photos I will incur another 15-16GB of storage requirement just for Aperture to do its thing.
What is Aperture doing with all that hard drive storage space?

By default, Aperture creates previews of all of your images. A preview is little more than a JPEG copy of the original. The size of these are determined by the settings in Aperture's preferences. When you're dealing with RAW images, the size of the previews are significantly smaller than the master image, but if you're working with JPEGs, then the previews can balloon the library to as large (large when you add up the thumbnails and duplicates) as the referenced files.
You can reduce the size of the previews, or delete them and turn them off all together if you're not sharing your photos with other iLife & iWork apps from Aperture. There are some other reasons you may find them beneficial, and this article will help you determine if they are right for you:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304499

Referenced Aperture library larger than iPhoto library?

My iPhoto library is 232 GB , so to save space, I deciced to imort them to Aperture 3 as a referenced library.
A few hours later, 'processing' has stopped and my Aperture Library is now a whopping 283 GB. If Aperture is simply pointing to the pictures in iPhoto why is the library now so large?

I'm not sure how I search for Managed Masters, but there will be some there as I have been downloading pictures from my camera directly to Aperture before I Referenced those in my iPhoto Library.
However I can see that the iPhoto images are all badged indicating that they are Referenced and when I use 'Locate Referenced Files' to display a list of Referenced Images it shows that there are 34,440 in my iPhoto Library.

Insufficient disk space on Aperture Library volume to import iphoto library

3 Importing iphoto library to Aperture questions:
(1) Finally switching to Aperture because too many photos to manage in iphoto. When importing iphoto library it gives me the message: Insufficient DIsk Space - "There is not enough free space on your Aperture Library volume to import the selected items. It is estimated that you need an additional 83GB of free space."
The photos are all on an external drive which has 150GB free space. I also tried moving the aperture library to another hard drive which has lots of free space. I want the Aperture library to reside on the external drive so I can share it between my laptop and desktop.
I tried this at the apple store and it was going to work. I came home and it now says it needs 125GB free space. Is this a function of which computer you use to import the library? What can I do because I can't spend hours at the apple store if it may take that long to import all the photos from the library.
(2) Is there an optimum way to import a large library, rather than all at once?
(3)Used iphoto manager to create a project library from an iphoto library. Now have 2 good libraries to import, one with about 35k photos, the other with about 8k. The 8k will have some duplicates from the larger one. When I import that one I don't want to import duplicates, but do want to retain the organization and labeling of those duplicates in terms of which albums and events they are in. Is that possible?
Thanks!

Or use Aperture's built-in and suggested way to deal with the problem of a Library outgrowing your system drive: make many of your Image's Originals referenced rather than managed.
Aperture lets you store any Image's Original on any locally-mounted drive. Moving your Image's Originals from inside your Library (in which case they are "managed") to outside the Library (in which case they are "referenced") is easy -- as it moving them back.
The two main complications that arise from using Referenced Originals are:
- you must back up your Referenced Originals in addition to backing up your Library. Backing up your Library _does not_ back up your Referenced Originals
- you must not make any changes to your Referenced Originals with any program other than Aperture. _Do not_ use Finder to move, rename, etc.

Not enough free space on Aperture Library volume to import iPhoto library into Aperture?

I purchased Aperture 3 from the App Store after using the free trial version for a few weeks. I downloaded the program and do not have any images imorted into Aperture yet. I tried to import my iPhoto library using File>Import>iPhoto Library and received this message: There is not enough free space on your Aperture Library volume to import the selected items. It is estimated that you need at least 10GB of free space. I have iPhoto 11 and 25,000 images on iPhoto. I did review the Aperture owners manual and did not find an answer to this.

Well obviously you don't have enough space to import an iPhoto Library that is more than 10 gigs.
But that's not importat right now.
You have the makings of a major problem and you need to address it now.
OS X needs about 10 gigs of hard drive space for normal OS operations - things like virtual memory, temporary files and so on.
Without this space your Mac will slow down as the OS hunts for space on the disk, files will be fragmented, also slowing things down, apps will crash and the risk of data corruption - that is damage to your files, photos, music - increases exponentially.
Your first priority is to make more space on that HD. Nothing else can be done until you do. Purchase an external HD and move your Photos and Music to it. Aperture, iPhoto an iTunes can run perfectly well with the Library on an external disk.
If you don't you will suffer data loss. I can't stress this enough.
Regards
TD

Can I use aperture library on more than one machine

My situation is thus:
I have a Macbook Pro on which my Aperture Library resides, in wherever Aperture decided to put it when I bought the software.
I now have a iMac, which obviously will be better than the Macbook for photo editing.
But I want to be able to take my Aperture Library with me when I take the Macbook out and about, and if necesary still edit on the Macbook.
Is there any way to share the Aperture Library, so that I can edit on the iMac, but leave the library on the Macbook, and then edit on the Macbook if I wish.
I am the only user, and will only be using Aperture on one machine at any one time.
I have searched archives but not managed to find the answer.

Is it possible to simply share the directory that contains the necessary file(s).
If your Library is in the location that aperture picks by default, then it will be in your "Pictures" folder - look for a file with a name like "Aperture Library. aplibrary".
What you will need to share depends on your import strategy for the master images. If you use managed masters, and all your master images reside inside the Aperture library, then you simply need to make this library file accessible or copy it to an external disk.
If on the other hand your masters are referenced, then I would recommend to consolidate them into the library before you share the library and then share the consolidated library.
If you will share your library over the network or just by moving it to an external device is really up to you, but you might consider the following pros and cons:
- If you want to profit from the faster CPU on your iMac, then you should keep the library on the fastes volume that is available, and a network volume might be much slower than a directly connected volume.
- if the network fails during a critical operation your library might get corrupted, if it resides on a network volume - there have been quite a few problems reported in this forum.
That is why I suggested to use your Macbook as directly mounted external volume, that leaves the library in its place on the Macbook Pro - no need to copy - and you have a very quick and stable connection, but the decision is yours to make. You will have to be comfortable with the workflow you choose.
HTH
Léonie

Importing Aperture Library, but more than 2x the number of photos

I'm just switching back to iPhoto after trying Aperture, and just dragged the Aperture library into iPhoto.
But its apparently importing 13,826 photos, even though there are only 5031 in the Aperture library.
What's going on there?

What you imported was the original and preview versions that exist in an Aperture library. If you have a backup copy of the library before you imported the Aperture library revert to it and then Export the Aperture photos full size to folder on the desktop and import into iPhoto.
Or, if Aperture stores the originals in side its library package somewhat like iPhoto you could open the package and drag the folders containing the full sized originals into the open iPhoto window (the recovered backup library).
Otherwise you could try using Duplicate Annihilator to remove the duplicates. But be sure you're removing the smaller preview version instead of the full sized original file.
Terence Devlin uses Aperture so may have a better solution.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. Just put the application in the Dock and click on it whenever you want to backup the dB file. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
Note: There's now an Automator backup application for iPhoto 5 that will work with Tiger or Leopard.

Current Aperture Library not seen by iPhoto

I work exclusively in Aperture for all of my photo needs, but recently decided to import some pictures into iPhoto for ease of uploading to Shutterfly (they had a plug-in for iPhoto). Much to my dismay, when I pulled up the "display Aperture Library" it showed a very outdated (6-8 months old) library! None of the recent photos were there, and a lot of old stuff that I had discarded showed up (although the picture had a "?" because it was missing). I tried both the Rebuild and Consistency Check (Command-Option at startup). I only have one library, and it is in the default location under the pictures folder. I am the only user on this iMac, and there is nothing in the shared folder either. I'm at a total loss.

The library from Aperture had never been moved or copied, and it was never altered in any way outside of Aperture itself. It has been and still is in the same place as it always has (on the local hard drive under the "Pictures" folder) and has never been renamed.
What I ended up doing is to create all new project names, moved all my photos from the old projects into the newly titled projects, and then deleted the old project titles. Somehow, this fixed the issue and iPhoto can see the Aperture Library now. I don't know how or why, but its working again. And I did nothing outside of Aperture (no copying, moving, renaming, etc. of the original Aperture Library file).

How can I delete my Aperture library and import into iPhoto?

I have decided that I prefer the simpler interface of iPhoto, and I'd like to move all my photos back to there. I'm aware of the new feature that allows iPhoto to open up Aperture libraries; however, I want to delete the Aperture library and import all the photos into iPhoto. What's the simplest way to accomplish this?

The Library file format is now the same. If you have upgraded to the most current versions, you do not have to do anything to your Library: you can open it with either iPhoto or Aperture. Since you prefer iPhoto, simply open your Library in iPhoto.
As others have suggested, you might as well keep Aperture (the program) around, in case there is an adjustment or other function that you can effect with it that you cannot with iPhoto.
(Sent from my magic glass.)

Why is my Aperture 3 Library 50% larger than my iPhoto Library?

So I have the latest iPhoto and I bought Aperture 3 (unlocked the trial). I imported my iPhoto Library into Aperture 3 with faces disabled and the preview option off. once it was imported, I turned on Faces and let it do its thing. As of right now, my iPhoto Library is 44.91GB and the Aperture 3 Library is 65.78GB. By y math that's about a 50% increase. Anyone have any insight into why?
I have maybe 50 RAW shots, the rest are all JPG and the occasional iPhone 3GS video. 450 Projects if that matters.
The only clue I can think of is that in my keyword list I have "iPhoto Original" and "iPhoto Modified", both have about 40k images tagged. Did the import from iPhoto perhaps copy both masters and versions? If so, how do I fix it cause I don't see duplicate images.

Terence Devlin wrote:
Search on iPhoto Edited keyword - a Smart Album, for instance. If these are jpegs then I would keep the original and rotate them again in Aperture. You lose less quality that way.
I think I may have mistyped above. After importing the iPhoto Library, I have 4 new keywords: iPhoto Converted, iPhoto Edited, iPhoto Hidden and iPhoto Original.
Converted has 280 images
Edited has 1 image, but that image says "1 of 2" in the upper left corner.
Hidden has 6, but these are just the images that were hidden in my iPhoto library.
Original has 40,309 images
If I go to Photos at the top of the sidebar in A3, I get 40,310 images.
For completeness, iPhoto shows 41,118 items, but I have been removing some projects from A3, so I expected it to be less.
So now I'm back to being confused about the size increase. I totally get that it would have imported both the Originals and Modified folders from the iPhoto Library. But if the image count isn't any higher, I don't see where the huge size increase is coming from.

My Mac's iPhoto library is larger than my iPad's photo library, despite containing the same photos???

Hello everyone.
My iPhoto library is 22.91gb when shown in finder, and 13.8gb when shown in the iPhoto window inside iPhoto. There are 4665 photos. I understand why there's a difference - that's not my question.
What is confusing me is that when I sync my MacBook and my iPad, on itunes I select to sync ALL my photos from iPhoto to my iPad. However, on my iPad they take up only 6.66gb of space, with a total of 5670 photos on the iPad (duplicates within albums, recently deleted folder and camera roll I guess).
4665 photos on mac - 22.91gb (13.8 in real terms)
5670 photos on ipad - 6.66gb
What's going on? The quality doesn't seem reduced on the ipad at all. I only have a little 120gb macbook air hard drive so could really do with extra space.
thanks very much

What is confusing me is that when I sync my MacBook and my iPad, on itunes I select to sync ALL my photos from iPhoto to my iPad. However, on my iPad they take up only 6.66gb of space, with a total of 5670 photos on the iPad (duplicates within albums, recently deleted folder and camera roll I guess).
Syncing with iTunes will store only smaller versions on your iPad, not the full sized originals, so the storage required will be less.
But the syncing will also create a cache inside the iPhoto Library with the optimised versions and require additional space on your Mac, see: iTunes: Understanding the iPod Photo Cache folder

ITunes syncing lower-res versions of photos from Aperture library VS iphoto?

Today I changed my iPad's photo syncing prefs so that it would sync photos from my Aperture library as opposed to iPhoto. To my dismay I've discovered that it appears to be syncing REALLY low-resolution versions of the images compared to what it was syncing in iPhoto. Most of my shots are 21MP, and I understand that when they are synced to an iOS device, they're resized/compressed, but when I was syncing from iPhoto, I was typically able to zoom in to 2x zoom and things would still look good, whereas now that I'm syncing with Aperture, the exact same images appear to have been synced at a lower resolution than the iPad's screen!
This is NOT an issue with offline images or missing masters either.
What gives? This seems to be incredibly backwards as I imagine the majority of Aperture users would want larger versions synced, and iPhoto users wouldn't care as much. How do I resolve this? Can I?

Aha. Well I guess that solves it -- I do have my preview settings super low-res.
That's a really strange/questionable design decision. This means I'm actually better off using iPhoto or manually syncing with folders (I have good reasons for using low-res previews).
Thanks!

I have an iPhoto library with only Jpeg's in it. I just installed Aperture 3.5 and imported several RAW photos. Shouldn't I now have an Aperture library?

I have an iPhoto library with only Jpeg's in it. I just installed Aperture 3.5 and imported several RAW photos in Aperture. Shouldn't I now have an Aperture library?

Should I create an Aperture library and import all of my photos from iPhoto to the new Aperture library? Then delete my iPhoto library entirely? Just trying to get my library structure correct from the get-go as I plan to shoot only in RAW.
That is not an easy question. There are still a few glitches with the unified library approach. For example, the new iWork applications will not yet show the Aperture library in the Media Browser, only the current iPhoto library. If you are using iWork with your photolibrary, keep it an iPhoto library.
And it is unclear, what will happen, when Aperture or iPhoto will be upgraded to newer versions. Right now you need the latest iPhoto version to be able to upgrade older iPhoto libraries, if you want to open them in Aperture. So probably you will need to upgrade iPhoto as well, if you keep your library an iPhoto library, when both Aperture and iPhoto will be upgraded to Aperture 4 and iPhoto 12.0 or similar. In the long run it will be safer to convert the library to an Aperture library, if you do not want to keep updating iPhoto, but that can wait.
If you want to convert the iPhoto library to an Aperture library, back up your iPhoto library.
Then create a new Aperture library (with File > Switch to Library > Other/New ) and then import your iPhoto library into Aperture using the command "File > Import > Library" and select your iPhoto library.
You will need plenty of space on the drive with the new library. Merging a library into another one will temporarily a lot of working space and may take a long time - several hours for a large library, without visible progress.

Aperture library takes up twice the space of identical iPhoto library

I imported my iPhoto library into a new library because I thought it would possibly save space (since Apple advertises that Aperture libraries save space). But somehow my 14GB iPhoto library imported into a brand new Aperture library ended up with 23GB. Why would that be?

It's the latest iPhoto version as well. I know they can read each other's libraries. I just wanted to see if the version Aperture creates is more efficient. Already seems it isn't. Thinking I may stick with iPhoto if Aperture will increase my library size more than iPhoto over time. I'm on a retina MBP and space is limited.

Aperture exports jpeg files larger than original RAW files

Can anyone tell me why a RAW file (10.6mb), when exported as a jpeg (10.8mb) from Aperture ends up larger than the original RAW file. The same RAW file when opened and then saved as a jpeg (6.4mb) in Photoshop is a lot smaller. The photo dimensions and resolution are the same in both saved files (34.5mb open file 300dpi 4256 x 2831 pix). I have tried this on several photos, all with similar results. For information I am saving the photos in both Photoshop and Aperture at 300dpi, original size and at a quality setting of 12. In these examples/tests I have done no work to the photos, obviously the file sizes increase after work has been carried out on the photos (in both Ps & Aperture)
Almost doubling the size of saved jpegs has a massive implication on my library and may be one reason to consider Adobe Lightroom as this gives similar jpeg file sizes as Photoshop, i.e. almost half the size of the original RAW file
Reducing the quality setting on saved jpegs is an obvious way to reduce file size, but not answering the question of the considerable discrepancy when saving to the same quality in different software
Is this a feature of Aperture and nothing can be done about it ? I would prefer to use Aperture but cannot cope with the large jpeg sizes !
Any comments would be much appreciated - thank you
Nick

Think you might be right Allen - The 12 quality saved jpegs seem to be pretty high quality, closer to the original than maybe the files saved in Ps at quality 12. I have just run an identical set of processing actions on all the files in Photoshop and the jpegs previously saved in Aperture at 12, 11 and even 8 quality settings seem to be better than the same files saved at 12 in Ps
Bizarrely the file size drops from 10.6mb at quality setting 12 in Aperture, to 3.2mb when saved just one notch down at quality setting 11 in Aperture. That is a massive drop, esp considering the next one down, saving at quality 10 results in a 2.8mb file
rw just ran some checks and tests on the file export settings and file sizes in Aperture, on a file I sent him, and we get the same results. So at least my version of Aperture is not up the wall !!
Would be useful to have the explanations from Apple as to the vast variance in settings and file sizes, but I guess we will just have to keep guessing - and buying more and more hard drives for all the large files
I am considering keeping the RAW originals in future, and I suppose in this case I need only save smaller jpegs, and issue at whatever size they are needed at the time - just needs a bit of planning to look after an ever increasing collection, which is about to have two sets of images added at a time now. Added to the already amassed 80 000 images at last count !)
Thanks
Nick

Aperture 3 library 3x larger than iPhoto 09.

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