Aperture and external editor

When opening a file with the external editor (I think most of you using PS like me), then saving it and go back to aperture, the file size is much greater than the original RAW file (roughly 58Mb in my case).
I guess that's because PS opens the files either in PSD or TIFF 16bit format.
So my questions are:
1. After editing with PS, Is there a way to go back to Aperture and maintain the same file size?
2. Why can't PS manage the file in a RAW format rather than PSD or TIFF?
3. Are these files stored in the Aperture library?
Thank you in advance!
Guido

Hi Guido,
in addition to Adam's correct reply:
1.
Nope (see 2.). It doesn't matter from where the RAW file comes (Aperture, Finder, ... ).
2.
It does manage the RAW file (else it wouldn't be able to open it
But no program can save a RAW file (it's also called "Digital negative", as in the analog world this negative exists once only).
PS is a destructive editing application, whatever you do changes the original you send over. That's why you copy the original (background) layer first thing when applying filters and/or use adjustment layers.
Layers can only be saved as PSD or TIFF - and those are big, that's the way it is.
3.
Yes. But you can make it referenced like any other image.
Hope it helps,
chris

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