Aperture and Not IPhoto

Hi Folks,
I have been looking at Iweb as an easy way to update my web site. However from reading posts its clear that i can only use photos stored in Iphoto Libaray.
How do i use photos that are stored in my Aperture Library file instead, or do i need to create the photos i need on the web in iphoto only
Thanks

Hi,
My personal experience is that I can use photos from anywhere. I just drag and drop.
I use photos on my desktop that have never been run thru iPhoto. I use photos I have in an app called Lightroom. I also use photos on occassion that I get from the web and just drop them into iweb. Works fine for me. Of course I also use iPhoto for some photos too.
I am interested in using Aperture...but cannot till I update my computer system sometime early next year. Anyway...I am interested to know if you still cannot use Aperture to drag and drop. Mac is so integrated and all the apps work well together I would think it would work.
If you cannot PUSH the photos from within Aperture to iweb or PULL the photos from within iweb.....just try and drag and drop.
If you have iPhoto and want this.....can you drop your Aperture pics into iphoto to push or pull into iWeb?
Good luck...please let me know because I am very interested in using Aperture and your results.
j'wock

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rickdeet
Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
1) After importing my iPhoto library into the Aperture library as managed masters, I see that I can't actually access the originals/masters inside the Aperture library via Finder. When I right-click on the Aperture Library and choose Show Package Contents in Finder, I see the albums and events, but I do not see any of the actual photos.
a: The Library structure of Aperture is quite different. Yes the files are there, but they are inside further packages. Each approject is in itself a further package file, and it contains - among other things - the actual files.
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Do you mean “Won’t I get the same benefits using iPhoto with Referenced Files? IF so, the answer is no. And if you ever have to re-attach the masters to a iPhoto Library, then you can set aside the weekend to do a lot of clicking.
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Why would you import to iPhoto is you’re using Aperture? A much better workflow would be to import to Aperture and then share the Aperture Previews with iPhoto. But no, the relationship between Aperture and iPhoto is not dynamic. They don’t read each other’s Libraries as they change.
Aperture’s superiority over iPhoto is down to much better file management controls, much better processing tools with more more fine control over them, much better everything to do with processing photos.
iPhoto has better slideshows and it has Calendars.
Regards
TD

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zelsha
Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
No, there is no way to access the files from Bridge. Bridge and Aperture don't play well together (nor does it play well with iPhoto) because Bridge attempts to do part of Apertures job.
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