Aperture and shooting Raw+Jpeg

In camera Jpeg processing becomes better and better with each generation of cameras. One example is the dynamic range optimizer in my Sony A700. You often have a hard time to get similar results from the Raw. So for quite a lot of shots - especially the not so important ones - using just the Jpegs is a real time saver. Still it is good to have the Raw handy in case the camera processing went in the wrong direction, which still happens occasionally. With 8 or 16 GB cards it is not an issue meanwhile to shoot Raw+Jpeg. Unfortunately IMO there is no smooth Raw+Jpeg workflow within Aperture. Especially it is almost impossible to delete the Raw without loosing the Jpeg and vice versa in a managed library (see thread mentioned below).
Thus I just posted this to www.apple.com/feedback. If you think this is an important issue, that should be added in a future version of Aperture, you might sent your feedback as well:
It is nice, that Aperture already imports both pictures, if you shoot in Raw+Jpeg mode. But the further workflow of dealing with the Raw+Jpeg combo is not optimal:
The main reason to shoot Raw + Jpeg is, to save time in using the ready processed Jpegs for the less important shots or the ones, where the in-camera processing left not much to improve, but still having the safety-net of the Raw for a more advanced development, in case the picture asks for it.
So instead of showing the Raws and hiding the Jpegs by default it should be vice versa. If there is a Jpeg accompanying the Raw, the Jpeg should be displayed and the Raw should be hidden. At least you should be able to set in the preferences, whether you prefer to see the Raw or the Jpeg. If you realize while rating the picture or doing adjustments, that the Jpeg doesn't fit the bill, you should be able to give precedence to the Raw, aka showing the Raw and hiding the Jpeg.
After having finished the work, you should be able to either delete or archive the not used version (either Raw or Jpeg), without loosing any metadata or adjustments already applied to the other version.
Currently it is an extremely complex task, to get rid of the unused version. Workarounds are suggested in this thread: http://www.oreillynet.com/digitalmedia/blog/2007/09/gettingrid_of_unwanted_manage1.html
Peter

SierraDragon wrote:
I am unfamiliar with Sony DSLRs and do not know what might make a Sony JPEG visually equal to a Sony RAW image file.
What I refer to is the dynamic range optimizer, which is based on Apical’s IRIDIX image processing engine. I think it is used in recent Nikons as well, but as I have only a Sony DSLR I mentioned this.
Basically it is a kind of highlights and shadows adjustment, but it works very well and in many cases you have a hard time to generate similar good results with your RAW processor (aka. Aperture).
However, JPEG is still a lossy image format that IMO should only be used for low end usages. RAW converted by the camera vendor's software to non-lossy formats like TIFF should generally be quite superior to JPEG.
Of cause the RAW holds more information and carefully processed often leads to better results than the in-camera JPEGs. But not every picture will be printed in poster size. And although JPEG is a lossy format, with a low compression setting the artifacts are almost undetectable at least with my DSLR.
Shooting in RAW+Jpeg mode can be a real timesaver. You look at the Jpegs firsthand, rate them, make small adjustments, if neccessary. For the majority of the pictures you can use these Jpegs even for slideshows and prints. If you step over a picture, where the in-camera processing went wrong, like oversharpened, oversaturated picture with wrong WB etc., you can easily resort to the accompanying RAW and process it to your heart's content. The only drawback with this workflow is the increased temporary storage capacitiy you need. But with today's low memory card prices, the benefits outweigh the cost by far IMHO.
That said, the reason for my post was not to discuss the benefits of a RAW+Jpeg workflow, but Aperture's issues in dealing with it.
Peter

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Shooting raw+jpeg and replicating treatment

If you shoot raw+jpeg and happen to like the jpeg treatment of a given shot, is there a way to precisely replicate or transfer the jpeg pp parameters to the raw? Not by eye, but precisely.

Jao vdL wrote:
The only way to get perfectly the same rendering is to use Canon's software.
While technically true, in practice, not so much...
The first and most important thing one must grasp (and accept) is there is no such thing as "correct" when it comes to rendering raw files...the raw sensor data is something that is subject to interpretation...it;s like shooting a color neg–the best interpretation may not be the most "accurate" nor "technically correct".
If you fall in love with the JPEG rendering, you will find life somewhat frustrating if you use Camera Raw or Lightroom because as pointed out above, if you are trying to "match"" (as in accurately replicating the exact tone and color) the rendering produced by Canon or Nikon, you're life will, essentially suck...because matching the EXACT rendering in ACR/LR is not going to be a pleasurable experience–it's doable but the question you gotta ask, is it worth it?
Shooting Raw & JPEG is an exercise in futility...you either get quick and easy JPEGs you can use (with zero chance matching them in ACR) or raw fles that you can control the rendering on (but pretty much forget matching the JPEG exactly)...
You would be better off shooting raw and learning how to render out JPEGs quickly that WILL match the raw files (cause they are based from the raw files).

RAW files not showing when I shoot raw + Jpeg!!!

I have a strange issue that has only recently started happening. I have started shooting raw + jpeg to speed up post processing. However, after I import the files into Organizer the raw files will not show. At first I thought it was the camera. So I used a different brand DSLR. I had the same issues with my Sony and my Canon. I have shoot raw with the Sony for years and never had an issue. I have shot raw with the Canon and haven't had an issue. It is only when I shoot raw + jpeg. I formated both cards prior to using them.
The files are there and not damaged. I used the software from Sony and the software from Canon and was able to view the raw files. I wanted to make sure what I put was accurate so I tried viewing the files again. Even with the Canon software when I tried to view some of the raw files full screen it wouldn't let me.

I am using PhotoShop elements 10. My cameras are a Sony a230 and Canon 60d.

I use a mac ios and shoot raw in a cannon 5d mark ii and shortly upon import of my images lightroom darkens and changes my images. This has happened before but not every time. The strange part is my last shoot had the same camera setting but this did not

I use a mac ios and shoot raw in a cannon 5d mark ii and shortly upon import of my images lightroom darkens and changes my images. This has happened before but not every time. The strange part is my last shoot had the same camera setting but this did not happen. The images i have now i can not use after lightroom has automatically altered them even if i try editing back to how they looked upon import

First thing to do is to change the default camera profile applied in Lightroom to camera standard (assuming that you shoot Canon or Nikon). Also make sure that your camera is NOT set up to use any of the HDR modes. Nikon calls those Active Dynamic Lighting. On Canons you often see things like highlight priority mode or "Auto Lighting Optimizer". Make sure that the picture style is set to standard and that for newer Canons the HDR mode is turned off. Most of the HDR modes simply underexpose the image and then add an instruction in the raw file to compensate for this to prevent highlights from being blown out. This causes more noise in the shadows and if you know what you are doing there is no point to this as you should simply expose correctly and get the highest quality raw.
Lastly, make sure that in Lightroom you have not checked "Apply Auto Tone Adjustments" in Preferences->Presets. This should make the default rendering of the raw files the same as the in-camera jpeg (what the camera shows on the back even if you shoot raw) but still give you all the latitude of raw files.

I am having issues when I shoot raw + jpeg. Raw files seem corrupt!!

I am having issues when I shoot raw + jpeg. It seems the raw files get corrupted. I have shot raw without an issue. It is only when I shoot raw + jpeg. The raw files will not show in Photoshop elements. I installed the Canon software and was able to see all the raw files; however, I noticed that when I tried to view some full screen they would not show. I also noticed that these raw files look block-ish. They appear more digital looking. Is there a specail card needed to shoot raw + jpeg? I formatted the ones that I have prior to using them.
Solved!
Go to Solution.

While it could certainly be a card-reader problem, data corruption of any kind can be any of the following:
1) the card
2) the cable (if used)
3) the card reader (if used)
4) the computer RAM,
5) thecomputer hard drive (or SSD)
A failure of any one of the above will result in corrupted images when viewed. Since it seems to be RAW file related, as they are signifantly larger than JPGs, it's likely anything but the card reader or cable.
The only way to 'beat it' is eliminate each of the possibilities, starting with the easiest/cheapest fix.
1) Use the cable. If that solves the problem, replace the card reader.
2) Use a different card. If that solves it, toss the old card.
3) If multiple sticks of internal computer RAM, swap them. If that fixes it, or, the problem 'moves' to other images, replace the RAM. It could be only 1 of 2 sticks bad, though, so use only 1 of the old sticks for a while to see if the problem recurs.
4) If you have multiple hard drives in your computer, or an external one, use that to store the photos for a while. If the problems go away, it's the drive. Note that hard drive failures typically start slowly and increase gradually. On occassion, though, your computer won't boot and it's all over. If you are down to thinking it's the hard drive, it's time to get a good backup...NOW!
For what it's worth, I had a similar problem with corrupted photos. Both RAW and JPGs were affected. But as the problems were after having loaded and initially viewed them on my HD, I knew it was a computer problem. It dogged me for a couple of weeks. I even played swap the memory sticks, pull one out and run on one only, swap the one for the other (running on one), and it STILL kept happening. I finally gave up and replaced both sticks of RAM. That solved the problem. So much for lifetime warranty from Hong Kong. A very well regarded brand of RAM, no less. My SSD drive was the next one on the list, it the new RAM didn't solve it.

In L/R 3, is there a way to import JPEG's only when you are shooting RAW + JPEG?

In LR3 is there a way to import JPEG's only when I am shooting RAW + JPEG -- say in the case of being on-location and I want to create a quick slideshow without importing the large, slow RAW images? (Shooting only in JPEG is not an option -- wedding photography.)

The answer in short is no....but...if you separate your images before import then they will be imported as desired. You could import to LR and rename or resort or put in quick collection and separate jpeg from RAW and then put them into a separate folder. As an aside, shooting jpeg +RAW seems duplicitous since LR "sees" both formats. To my mind...I work as a professional retoucher...just shoot RAW since it is just as fast as jpeg in capturing images, and you have the freedom to adjust the images uncompressed. Then import the images as RAW into LR...if you truly need jpeg for something like sending to a client, simplt export them as jpegs via the Export dialog. Your original RAW images are unaffected!

Shooting Raw + Jpeg

I frequently shoot raw + jpeg so have a lot of files with the same name but different extensions. When I try to import the raw files and jpegs both into Lightroom (I'm using version 1.0) I only get the raw files. If I try to import the jpegs separately it tells me that they are already in the library. Is there a way to import both?

Okay, that will work Sean. I have another question for you. My practise has been to keep my raw files and the final converted JPG. I use the JPG for most applications, and only go back to the raw file if I need to reconvert for some reason, perhaps to make a TIFF for a really big print.
So, I have about 45,000 photos that I have both NEF and JPG versions. I want to keep both in my LR library, plus any other "versions", such as a reduced JPG for the web, all in my LR library.
Also, as I go through the library and want to cull images, I want to delete all the "versions", the NEF, JPGS at once.
How would you suggest I go about this in LR?
Thanks in advance (and thanks for all your great work and nifty blog site :-)

Comparing RAW vs. jpg in Aperture When Shooting RAW + jpg

I just started shooting RAW + jpg with a brand new camera. I imported these photos into Aperture. The photos all have jpg as the master with the associated Badge indicating there is also a RAW version. Changing each Badge, I can toggle between the jpg and the RAW versions.
However, I would like to compare both versions (side by side). If I don’t like the jpeg version, I’ll post process using the RAW version. How can I do this in Aperture? Ideally, I would like to have these respective RAW and jpg versions of each photo in a single Stack to facilitate comparison.

Sven Erik wrote:
Excellent! However, do you know I can create separate masters after I've already imported?
You can do this either one at a time or in multiple selection:
1 - Select image(s) you want to see both JPEG and RAW masters for (let's say you have the JPEG set as master by default).
2 - Photos menu > Set RAW as Master (this switches JPEG master to RAW master)
3 - With image(s) still selected: 'Photos menu > New version from master'
4 - You now have two RAW versions of each image (the original master version and a new version)
5 - Select all original versions and then: 'Photos menu > Set JPEG as Master'
6 - You should now have a JPEG master and a RAW version of each image (the same as having a JPEG and RAW master side by side). The only difference is that the RAW will have '-version #' after the image name.
7 - You can run a batch change via 'Metadata menu > Batch change...' and use the Version Name Format drop-down / Edit function to change the name on the new masters (I sometimes use the 'Master File Name' and remove all other items from the format field, which leaves the same master name and the file extension).
I use the 'Both (JPEG as Master)' in Tony's screenshot and then just create a RAW version if the JPEG does not meet my needs for some reason.

Aperture and/or RAW files on a iPad?

I use Aperture as my primary photo editng program, and do the editing on my MacPro. While traveling, as a backup to my memory cards, I have been importing the RAW files from my Nikon DSLR into Aperture on my laptop (MacBook). When I get home I then import again directly from the cards to my MacPro, using the files on the laptop only if the card is lost or corrupted. QUESTION: I am considering getting an iPad to replace the MacBook while traveling. Is it possible to import my Nikon RAW files onto the iPad, using any program/app that will store them as a backup to my cards? I would not do editing on the iPad. I do not believe that there is an Aperture app/program that will run on the iPad (could be wrong), but that would not be necessary for my purposes. I only want a place to store the RAW files and then be able to retrieve them in an emergency in an unaltered form. Thanks for any suggestions.

You sure can, and it's actually pretty easy.
First, you'll need the Camera Connection Kit for your iPad so you can either connect your camera via it's USB cable, or read an SD card if that's what your camera uses.
No software is necessary on the iPad...simply connect the camera or SD card using the CCK and the iPad will import the images into a new event.
Then when you are ready to import the images on the iPad into Aperture, simple connect it via it's USB cable and do an import in Aperture. The iPad will show up in Aperture as a device, and you can import the images on the iPad using all your usual settings.
One obvious consideration is to make sure you get an iPad with enough storage for the photos you anticipate storing on it. As you know, RAW files--depending on your camera model--can use up storage pretty quickly. Apple just announced a 128GB version of the iPad so you have plenty of options.
The iPad is a great device for what you describe, i.e., using it as a travel device. You can easily view your images, do slideshows, and do some basic editing using iPhoto and other apps. Just don't plan on doing a lot of heavy-duty editing with it.

I wonder how pro photographers use aperture?I shoot raw and my harddrive is alreay full.I'm not able to import new pictures.Is it ok if i create a vault and delete all my projects in the HD.Can I use an external HD use aperture through the vault??

I wonder how pro photographers use aperture?I shoot raw and my harddrive is alreay full.I'm not able to import new pictures. I don't know what to do. I created a vault. My plan was to create a vault(put all my master files into an external harddrive) and then delete all my projects in my mac pro's harddrive. Is it the correct way to do it ? What should I do if I have thousands of raw files ? How should my workflow be? Can I use an external HD and use aperture through the vault,without keeping the master files on my computer's hard drive?? Or should I shoot raw+jpeg and store raw files in an external backup harddrive and import only jpegs into my aperture library?

There's a bit to learn. It will slowly make sense.
Aperture is an empty field. You're given a tractor and a whole bunch of attachments. What you grow, how, and where, is entirely up to you.
Vaults are for back-up and only for back-up. They have nothing to do with storing your working files.
When your Library outgrows your system drive (and for good performance, you should leave c. 20% of every drive empty), it's time to convert some of your image's Masters from Managed to Referenced. ("Managed" and "Referenced" refer to Masters, not to Libraries.)
There are hundreds of posts in the forum, and several pages in the User Manual on using Masters.
Many people run Aperture with the Library on their system disk, and most (or all) of their images' Masters on external FW drives. This is a good set-up. Note that you will likely have to take steps to back-up the data on your external drives.
If you do the above, there should be no reason to delete any Projects.
The choice of RAW or RAW+JPEG or JPEG depends on the kind of work you are doing. I capture RAW only -- but I don't do any commercial shoots. Pros on deadlines report that the RAW+JPEG works well for them. Capture JPEG if it saves you time. IMHO, there is not a good reason to shoot JPEG to save space (space is cheap; time expensive).
Short-term solution: buy and use a FW800 external 1 TB drive, formatted "Mac OS Extended (Journaled)", and using Aperture relocate the Masters of all images older than 30 days to that drive. (Be sure to change your back-up strategy to include this new drive; you may need a second new drive.)
This general post of mine might help you understand more about Aperture.

How is the Raw data used in iPhoto. I currently shoot both jpeg and raw and import them both into iPhoto.

How is the Raw data used in iPhoto? I currently shoot both jpeg and raw and import them both into iPhoto. What do I gain by collecting Raw data?
Thanks

You get more parameters for making adjustments to the image. This is not really an iPhoto question but more a general photography one. In rather simple terms here's how a digital camera works:
You expose an image. A lot of data is gathered in by the sensor. But it's just a bug lump of data and not very useful in that form.
In cameras that shoot jpeg that mass of data is interpreted/processed into an actual image, and the image is stored in a jpeg file. (that's a process broadly analogous to developing a film). The decisions that go into making that interpretation are all made by an engineer somewhere, back when the camera was developed.
If you shoot Raw, then what you do is take that mass of data, and rather than working to the decisions made by that engineer, you develop the shot - you run the digital darkroom.
Why would you do this? Take on all this extra work? Well one of three reasons: a: you think you can do a better job than that engineer. b: you just prefer the result you get when you develop yourself or c: you're a hopeless shooter and raw means you have more options to fix the mistakes you made in the camera. (That's why I do it.)
Here endeth the two dollar tour. So, basically, if you're happy with what your camera produces in Jpeg then there's really no need to shoot Raw.
There's no need at all to shoot Raw+Jpeg as iPhoto creates a jpeg preview when you import, so you're just wasting space.

Aperture and Sony DSC-RX100M3 RAW

Hi,
Just got a new sony RX-100M3 and have found that the RAW files are not supported by Aperture 3.5.1.
Anyone else having this issue, and are there any work-arounds? (DNG converter does not seem to work)
Best

Have you tried different levels of compression with Adobe DNG converter?
The footnote on the Raw Support page http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs/raw.html says:
Aperture works with most DNG files generated from cameras that support this format and with DNG files generated by the Adobe DNG Converter with the “Convert to Linear Image” option turned off.
If DNG converter does not work, use the software that a came with your camera. The manufacturer's software will give you the best possible raw development any, since they do know the camera best.
It is hard to predict, when the RAW support for this camera will released, you could try to shoot RAW&JPEG while you are waiting and import the files with the JPEG as original. This can be changed to RAW as original, when the RAW support is available.

I need to select to import only low-res jpeg images from my Canon 5D Mk11 camera to an iPad 2 and not RAW images

I need to select somehow to import only jpeg images from my Canon 5D Mk11 camera to an iPad 2
I take photographs in both RAW (high quality up to 30Mb file size) and JPEG low quality for use on iPad and Internet. The Raw files I save to a 1Tb Multimedia Storage Viewer and later down load-them to my computer where I process them for high quality prints.
Using the Camera Kit I can’t find an option to only download jpeg images, and fill the iPad memory with unwanted RAW images. Can you please tell me how to get over this problem?

Have you checked your "Import" settings for "Raw&Jpeg" pairs in the "Import" panel?
You can set Aperture to import raw, jpeg, or raw&jpeg.
If you imported Raw&Jpeg, but have set Aperture to use the Jpeg as original, you will see the imported image as Jpeg image, not as a raw image, even if the raw has also been imported. You can switch between Raw and Jpeg originals for selected images from the Photos menu:
Photos > Use Raw as original.
Regards
Léonie

Import of RAW+JPEG pairs?

Just when I thought I had it all together...I seem to have forgotten where I put it. I need some expert assistance.
Aperture manages my Library which is kept on an external HD.
I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D200--two image files for every shot. To anticipate the question--I'm learning about the D200, and I want to be able to see the IQ differences between an Aperture-adjusted RAW image and a D200-adjusted jpeg.
I understood that when I imported my image files into Aperture, both files of the pair were imported and saved in my Library. I know I was working with the RAW file for all my adjustments and exports, but I believed that if I wanted that camera-adjusted jpeg, it was available from my Library. I'd also understood that I could call up that camera-adjusted jpeg using Option+J while selecting the paired RAW image in the Viewer. I know I can get a jpeg counterpart to the highlighted RAW image using Option+J--but whether it is generated by Aperture or camera is now uncertain.
Can someone who knows answer the following:
(1) Are both images in the shot pair (.nef and .jpg) imported into Aperture?
(2) If the Option+J image is not the downloaded, camera-produced image--then where does the resulting jpeg file which appears come from, and where are the adjustments for it set?
(3) If my original understanding is correct and both images in the pair were loaded into my Library--why can't I find the paired jpeg? It's not listed with the RAW files in my Finder, and my Spotlight doesn't find it either.
(4) Is there a way to get that paired jpeg into my Library along with its RAW counterpart.
One note on backup workflow: If those paired jpegs aren't imported into the Library, I'm fortunate to have followed advice from some of you here in the forum. Thanks to you, I always download my files using a reader and save them to a folder on my desktop. After importing them into Aperture from that folder, I move them to a folder I use to accumulate a batch for burning to a DVD for archiving. Only when burnt, do I erase them from the desktop and reformat my card. If, in fact, I've been wrong about those paired jpegs being in my Library, then I've still got them on my DVDs. Instead of being redundant with my Vaults, the DVDs will be my only source for them. Thanks to those of you who got me to buy into that workflow.
Terry

Thanks. A little Tough Love from the experts sent me back to try one more time to puzzle through the pages of posts on this subject. Sorry, but there's too much noise and contradiction in those pages of posts for me to buy in.
I did what each of us probably should do--an experiment. I noted the "New Version from Master JPEG" aka Option+J was grayed out if only one of the pair (either .nef or .jpg) was imported. Only having the pair imported activated thet Option+J pick. Excellent, and just what I hoped to see.
I also drilled down to the lowest level of the imported image folders in the Library. I'd previously stopped when I saw the image name but for some reason neglected to open the lowest folder to check for file extensions. Careless on my part. I confirmed what everyone here is regularly assured--that all the imported image files are available in the Library (and Vaults) should Aperture fail, or someone decide to leave Aperture for the dark side. Again, just what I hoped to see.

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