Aperture and Time Machine

I read where Time Machine can now be used with Aperture, but I'm wondering if my Aperture library has to be on my internal hard drive order to be recorded to my TM hard drive? Or can I have TM connect to it on an external hard drive where my Aperture library exist? I haven't used TM in a while, so I'm thinking about purchasing a 1TB drive and start using it again.
Thanks for the help.

TM backs up what it's set to back up. You configure this in the TM settings. If your Aperture library is on a disk that TM is set to back up, it will be backed up.

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Aperture and Time Machine compared to iPhoto behaviour

If I'm in my iPhoto library and enter Time Machine I get to browse my entire backup of the iPhoto library in the Time Machine window - which is great. Though I don't use iPhoto anyway so there aren't any images there anyway...! I first noticed this way Time Machine works when recovering some e-mail notes I'd lost on the iPhone - very simple way of getting individual items back.
If I enter Time Machine in Aperture I'm dumped out of Aperture and cant see any old photos in Time Machine from the Aperture interface...
Does anyone know if Apple plan to make Aperture behave like iPhoto in the near future?
I like to keep things simple and have one large drive with one Aperture library holding all of my photos and a separate large Time Machine drive to hold the backup.
Thanks.
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Does anyone know if Apple plan to make Aperture behave like iPhoto in the near future?
Afraid no one outside of Apple know what - if any - plans Apple have for the future.
Regards
TD

10.5.2, Aperture and time machine

I am currently using Aperture on Tiger, my secondary machine runs leopard but I have not regarded it as stable enough to upgrade my main working machine until the dust settles on 10.5.2. I gather there was an issue with time machine and the aperture vault and I see no mention of this being fixed in the .5.2 release notes. can anyone confirm if this is still an issue or not?
Cheers
Jim

Conal Ho wrote:
Oh please, Apple, say something about whether 10.5.2 OS X fixes the Time Machine problem with backing up Aperture while Aperture is being used! Thanks!
Ask and ye shall receive.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306853
Solution
This issue is resolved in Mac OS X 10.5.2. Use Software Update to make sure you have the most recent version of software.

Aperture and Time Machine - have they learnt to live together yet?

Reading through various Help web sites on Time Machine it says that if Aperture is running when Time Machine is backing up the system then Time Machine will back up the whole Aperture library instead of only the changed components.
Has this situation changed or should I forgo the benefits if Time Machine for Aperture by excluding the Aperture library from Time Machine.

This was fixed around Mac OS X 10.5.3. That was quite a while ago
If Aperture is running when Time Machine runs, the Aperture library won't be backed up. The next time that TM runs when Aperture is not running, the changes will be backed up.

Need help in distributing Master Folder (all my original pics), Aperture Library, Aperture Back-up, Vault and Time Machine

I have a desktop iMac and three external HDs. One HD called Aperture Library (2T) now has Aperture Library, Time Machine backups and Master Folder, which is where I put my RAW files of pictures I want to keep. A second HD called Aperture back-up (1T) has another large Master Folder. This was created a long time ago when I was using Lightroom. I plan to transfer pictures on to HD Aperture Library > Master Folder so I will have 1 Master Folder. A third external HD called Vault (1T) now only contains my Quicken b/u.
I have not made a vault yet for Aperture, because I am in the process of exporting files from Lightroom and bringing them into Aperture 3. What a mess, especially because I was not able to use my photo apps (Lightroom or Aperture) for a few months and forgot the do's and don'ts. Please help me organize this stuff while I have the time and motivation. Greatly appreciated.

Note that Masters need only be backed up once (but to multiple backup locations) and that backup should happen immediately after copying to the hard drive from the camera card, before involving Aperture or any other images management app.
Time Capsule is an ongoing regular-routine backup process. Image originals instead need irregularly timed backup, once.
IMO referenced Masters make far more sense than building huge managed-Masters Libraries.
• Hard disk speed. Drives slow as they fill so making a drive more full (which managed Masters always does) will slow down drive operation.
• Database size. Larger databases are by definition more prone to "issues" than smaller databases are.
• Vaults. Larger Library means larger Vaults, and Vaults are an incremental repetitive backup process, so again larger Vaults are by definition more prone to "issues" than smaller Vaults are. One-time backup of Referenced Masters (each file small, unlike a huge managed-Masters DB) is neither incremental nor ongoing; which is by definition a more stable process.
Managed-Masters Libraries can work, but they cannot avoid the basic database physics.
HTH
-Allen Wicks

Version 2 and Time Machine

There was a problem with backing up photos in Aperture with Time Machine. The "solution" was to exclude the Aperture data from Time Machine.
Does version 2 fix this issue?

based on what I've seen tonight on my iMac, Time Machine is now 'compatible' with Aperture 2 by ignoring the Aperture library package if and while Aperture is running.
tonight while Aperture was running, Time Machine deleted the Aperture Library from the backup disk (250GB of space was created) in preparation for an update (insufficient room on the backup disk to add a copy of the library without deleting the existing one), but refused to actually back up the library file until I quit Aperture (i.e., for several hours, I had no backup of my Aperture Library). this may be how Apple worked around the 'inconsistency' problem, by not backing the library up while Aperture's running.
if my assumption is correct, Apple opened up the possibility of losing your library. if they don't back up Aperture Library files while Aperture is running, then they also shouldn't delete existing Aperture Library files from the backup while Aperture is running.
there is nothing in Apple's support documents to clarify how Time Machine in 10.5.2 works with Aperture to create consistent backups.
to answer your question though, I don't think Time Machine backs up the entire library every time it backs up but I'll need to do some quick tests to verify this.
sincerely,
Gregory

Time Capsule: Storage and Time Machine - Could this work?

Hi everyone,
my Macbook got stolen last Friday and thank God I had an external HD and Time Machine (TC)to keep all my data. Now here's the dilemma.
I bought time capsule (1TG) to use as a back up. I figure I can hide it somewhere in the house and not worried about having it disappeared. My laptop should be here tomorrow, so I want to get it right before do anything.
The present external HD is partitioned in 2: 250 Gb for time machine, and 250Gb for other storage (iMovie projects etc etc.)
Since I cannot partitioned TC, I was wondering if this would work.
When I get my laptop (Macbook - w. 320 Gb HD), I will do my re import for my data (appr.60Gb) from my first HD, then let time machine do its thing with TC. Now here's what I want to do. Take all the "storage" (appr. 200Gb), import it to the Macbook , use time machine to back it up. Then I delete the "storage" from my macbook, so it's not 3/4 full before I even install programs such as Aperture. If this works, that means I would have access to all my storage if I return to day 1 of time machine. Do you think it will work, or is time machine going to dump it after a certain amount of time?
Thanks in advance,
SG

You needn't go to all that trouble if you simple connect your old backup drive to the computer then exclude the TM backup partition from the TC in TM. TM will backup both your computer's drive and the storage partition on your other drive. The storage partition will be backed up separately on the TC from the computer's drive. If you copy that data to your computer's drive then backup entirely to the TC then delete the data from your computer's drive, the backup on your TC will eventually be deleted as well and you'll have no backup of the data on the external drive's storage partition.
A TM backup is not simply a substitute for storage space. Once you delete a file that has been backed up by TM eventually when TM does a weekly or monthly consolidation it will delete the file and all its copies from the backup.

Backing up photos on iMac using external hard drive and time machine

How do i back up photos from my imac using an external hard drive and time machine
Thanks in advance

Apple explains how to use Time Machine in http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1427.
Setting up and using TM is very simple to do, connect any external HD (format as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) using Disk Utility ) and your computer shoudl ask if you want to use that EHD for a Time Machine backup. If you have any questions visit your local Apple Store or reseller and they can answer how to setup and use TM and also should be able to offer suggestions on EHDs. My personal preference is OWC (www.macsales.com) Mercury Elite Pro due to the build quality and OWC's level of support.

I'm having a hard time setting up my external hard from with my AirPort Extreme and Time Machine Backups.

I have been using a Mac Mini with an external hard and Time Machine. I bought an Airport Extreme and have had problem setting up the hard drive using the USB port on the Airport Extreme. I also just recently bought a Mac Book Air and hope to have both computers back up to the external hard drive using Time Machine and Airport Extreme. I have been using the optical drive from the Mac mini to load programs into the Mac Book Air. I think I'm just getting confused in Finder. I am just not seeing the hard drive. I ended up plugging the hard drive back into the Mac Mini and that is work fine again. How do I setting the external hard drive up to the AirPort Extreme and use for both computers? Or at least to start with the Mac mini.

It's critical to understand that Time Machine (TM) stores backups differently between local and network drives. That would mean the TM backup on your locally attached USB hard drive will not be directly useable when it is connected to the AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS). There is a way to copy a local version to a network version, but it is not fool-proof. When you do connect this drive and point TM to it, TM will start a brand new backup, leaving your existing backup as is.
If your current backup is critical to you, you may want to consider getting a second USB drive to attach to the Extreme and use your existing one as a backup ... or use TM's multi-backup process to backup to more than one destination drive alternatively.
So, at this point, you may want to make a decision on how you want to go forward to help provide a solution for you.
To directly answer your question, when you go to select a destination for a Time Machine backup, the drive(s) that show up under "Backup Disks" are those that TM already recognizes and has backed up to. Those listed under "Available Disks" are drives (either local or on the network) that TM can back up to.

Cannot Find Photos on External Hard Drive Using iPhoto and Time Machine

Hi everyone,
This is my first time posting on this forum and am really hoping for some help! I have a 2006 PowerBook G4 that is running iPhoto and Time Machine, and I've used an external hard drive to backup everything on the computer via Time Machine. When I plug the external hard drive into my newer 2010 MacBook Pro, I follow this path to try to access the photos:
     External Hard Drive > Backups.backupd > PowerBook G4 12" > Latest > Macintosh HD > Users > Me > Pictures > iPhoto Library
When I click "iPhoto Library", I get the following message:
     "The iPhoto Library is a Time Machine backup, and so cannot be used as the main library. Relaunch iPhoto with <option> key held down to choose another   library."
So, I do as the error message says and I hold down the "option" key and iPhoto launches and says:
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In this case, I choose "Other Library..." and again follow this path:
     External Hard Drive > Backups.backupd > PowerBook G4 12" > Latest > Macintosh HD > Users > Me > Pictures > iPhoto Library
When I choose this, I again get the following message:
     The iPhoto Library is a Time Machine backup, and so cannot be used as the main library. Relaunch iPhoto with <option> key held down to choose another   library.
So as you can see, I'm feeling a bit like I'm chasing my tail in trying to open these photos. I did follow another user's advice and confirm that all photos are infact on the hard drive by using the "control" button and clicking "iPhoto Library" under the pictures folder, and choosing "Show Package Contents". All looks to be in tact in the "originals" folder when showing package contents, however, I just can't find a way to actually view the photos in iPhoto. I really don't want to import all the photos to my current MacBook Pro, because I'd like them to live on the external hard drive (which is formatted for Macs) so that I can browse the photos on the external drive, rather than housing it on my computer.
One other thing I tried was opening iPhoto on my MacBook Pro and going to File > Browse Backups... which essentially opens Time Machine and shows me the photos on my MacBook Pro but gives me no option to view them from my External Hard Drive.
Any super users out there willing to lend me some help?
Thanks!

The iPhoto Library is a Time Machine backup, and so cannot be used as the main library. Relaunch iPhoto with <option> key held down to choose another   library.
You can have an iPhoto library on an external drive and use it from different machines
and you can have a Time Machine backup
The two can not be on the same volume - and iPhoto can not access the TM backup - it must be restored to use it
LN

Time Capsule and time machine with third party router

Hi,
This is the first time I use this site.
I have over three years old Mackbook.
APP has expired.
Now I want to know how to set up time capsule in a new environment.
I moved from Australian and Singapore.
I was using Time Capsule and Airport Extreme in Australia.
I have moved to Singapore.
I am using router provided by Singtell(Singapore Telecommunication). I do not have an Airport Extreme anymore. My housemate and I are using wireless internet-sharing. Needless to say that internet provider is SingTell.
Now I would like to know how to use time capsule and time machine with the network created with a router provided by SingTell.
What I did so far is;
Connected the time capsule to the power point.
Orange lamp lit and flashed for a few second and stop. Orange lamp stayed on.
Apple Utility does not recognise Time Capsule.
I prefer to use it wirelessly.
There are only two USB cable ports installed.
One is used to synchronize iPhone.
Other is used for a printer.
but if it is not possible, wired would be OK.
MacBook 13 inch 2.0 GH Late 2006
I hope that someone able to give me an answer for this.
Cheers,
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In this case the apple support people reveal a truly poor understanding.
You must bridge something.. you either bridge the TC.. which 90% of people do.. or you bridge the dsl router.. which some people do manage to do.. You will have to look that up for your modem and check with verizon if they support pppoe authentication.
IMHO just bridge the TC as you were told not to do.. as they are simply wrong about that.
If you already tried this and it didn't work.. try again.. it is the correct approach.
You have no choice. But this time let me suggest you do it using the 5.6 airport utility.. as the apple toyland v6 airport utility is likely half your trouble.
So here is how to get the utility into your computer.
How to load 5.6 into ML.
1. Download 5.6 for Lion.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1482
Click to open the dmg but do not attempt to install the pkg.. it won't work anyway.
2. Download and install unpkg.
http://www.timdoug.com/unpkg/
Run unpkg on the desktop.. it is very simple.. drag the AirPortUtility56.pkg file over to unpkg.. and it will create a new directory of the same name on the desktop.. drill down.. applications utilities .. there lo and behold is Airport utility 5.6 .. drag it to your main utilities directory or just run it from current location.
You cannot uninstall 6.1 so don't try.. and you cannot or should not run them both at the same time.. so just ignore the toyland version.. the plastic hammer.. and start using 5.6.. a real tool.
For screen shots see this post.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4668746?tstart=0
Then open the manual setup on the 5.6 utility.. go to internet tab. Connection sharing.. off bridged mode.
Select this and update..
Then all your IP addresses will be wrong.. I suspect this is where things are going wrong.. and messing you up.
Once the TC is bridged.. turn off everything and restart.. in correct order.. modem.. TC.. client computers etc. 2min gap between each.

Can Superduper and Time machine write to the same external volume.

I just setup a 750 GB external drive single partition using firewire 800. Any problem with superduper and time machine writing to the same volume?
Ron

Can Superduper and Time machine write to the same external volume.
Yes, they can write to the same partition.
I am doing this, and can report no problems so far. TM still backs up and SuperDuper is bootable.

Using LaCie 1Tb Network drive and Time MAchine

I have read a number of thread here about issues with LaCie and Time Machine but cannot find the help I am looking for. I have a the Lacie device connected to my network and I have access through the Browser Administration utility to the drive, I believe I have set up the users and the shares correctly, and can connect to the share, but when i try to set up Time Machine it fails to recognize that the NAS drive is available, I am doing something wrong and it's probably very simple.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
John

Here's Apple's public statement at http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html for what devices work with TM.
[You can designate just about any HFS+ formatted FireWire or USB drive connected to a Mac as a Time Machine backup drive. Time Machine can also back up to another Mac running Leopard with Personal File Sharing, Leopard Server, or Xsan storage devices.]

"No configured AirPort base stations have been found." I can see the content of the TimeCapsule's drive in finder and Time Machine but it no longer is making backups. Ideas?

Bought new TimeCapsule March 2013. Worked fine. Now get "No configured AirPort base stations have been found." I can see the content of the TimeCapsule's drive in finder and Time Machine but it no longer is making backups. Ideas?

Make sure that you have AirPort Utility 6.3.1 installed on your Mac.
AirPort Utility 6.3.1 for Mac - Support - Apple
Then, power off the entire network...all devices...in any order that you want
Wait a minute, then start the modem first and let it run a full minute
Start the next device connected to the modem, which may be your Time Capsule and let it run a minute
Keep starting devices one at a time the same way until the entire network is back up
See if AirPort Utility can "see" the Time Capsule now.
If yes, try another backup. If you encounter an error message, post back with the exact message.

Hard drive both as s startup and Time Machine

Right now I am using an Iomega 360 GB hard drive for Time Machine. I would like to put a system on the Iomega so I can use it as a start up in case something hapens with my computer's startup. If I do this will it erase the year of Time Machine copies I have on it now?
Can the system startup and time machine both be on my Iomega hard drive on the same partition" Or should I have 2 hard drives. One for Time Machine and the other for the system startup?
I'm just a little freaked out because of the trouble I have had with installing Z.6.

360GB is kind of small for a Time Machine drive already (unless the data you are backing up is something like 160GB), so you may not want to install additional stuff on the same drive. However, the Time Machine backup archive is kept in its own folder, so you can put other data on the same drive, including a system installation.
If you are installing Leopard, as long as you don't select to run an +Erase and Install+, and there is no existing system on that drive, the installed system will be added to the existing data.
Ideally, it would be best to have a separate volume that is only used for Time Machine. A volume can be a partition (it does not need to be the whole drive), so you could partition that drive to have a big partition and a small partition (20GB should be enough), and put the emergency startup system on the small partition. If it is for emergency startup, you can Customize the Leopard installation to de-select things you do not need, such as languages, printer drivers, and bundled apps; that will reduce the size of the installation quite a bit. I use an old FireWire-based iPod with a broken screen as my emergency/maintenance startup disk (about 20GB).
I'm just a little freaked out because of the trouble I have had with installing Z.6.
Is that X.6 (Snow Leopard)? What trouble are you having?

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