Aperture for Professionals???

I have a few disputes thus far regarding Aperture from a professional point. One, a lot of professionals are shooting with Medium Format Digital Backs, typically either Leaf or Phase, and it doesn't show support for these cameras. Not only that, they don't even support the Canon EOS 1DS MKII which has almost become an industry standard professional DSLR. How do they expect to get into the professional market without supporting any of these camera's?
Second, why doesn't apple have a demo version available? I'm not going to spend $500.00 on a program that I'm not sure is going to work or not. Almost all major programs offer Demo versions to professionals.
As far as I can see, with Aperture supporting primarily POINT AND SHOOT digital camera's marketed for consumers, this program was NOT designed for professionals.
If you Apple wants to market this to the Pro Photo Industry, they had better get their act together and ask the Pro's!!!

Hi Dustin:
It's easy to be confused, you're not an idiot and someone at Apple simply didn't do the best job trying to point out that Aperture supports additional cameras beyond the "built in" support of high end digial SLRs.
Here's the story:
Aperture itself supports a group of Pro cameras and their RAW formats
http://www.apple.com/aperture/raw/
This includes the FF top of the line Canon camera you were concerned about.
Additionally Mac OS X 10.4.3 supports a list of camera formats and some RAW files.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/cameras.html
This means Aperture supports those as well via the OS. So someone at Apple rushed out an updated "list" that merely rehashed the OS camera support.
And you'll see the above list is basically the same as the list you found as their "updated" list.
http://www.apple.com/r/store/raw/
Unfortunately, it's not really an "updated list" but an "additional supported cameras list, since it's the list of cameras and RAW formats supported directly in the OS itself. I presume they "tossed" this up on the site to respond to complaints that they didn't support enough cameras and no non-SLR units. But they do, via the OS.
It's confusing and they should have simply pointed this out as directly supported and supported via the OS.
Oh well.
Reg Harris
PBookG4 1.33 17, Dual 1gig G4 MDD, and something soon to run Aperture Mac OS X (10.3.9)

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