Aperture/iPhoto to Photos workflow

I have an iMac and MBA - plus an tPhone 5c and IPad Mini. The latter 2 I use the MBA for syncing always as I travel a lot.
Over the years, i have tried to keep my MBA aperture library somewhat synced to my iMac library-often manually. The Merge function in Aperture has never really worked well for me.
Knowing that this new version -Photos-ws coming out, I spent some time trying to combine and cull the two Aperture libraries I have on my machine- iMac and MBA. Because I still haven't found any clear article which describes how the new Photos.iCloud thing handles two Aperture libraries on different machines. I did figure out that only one library can be used-so I transferred both libraries to one external disk, (not enough free space on the MBA to do it there) ran ADD to cull Duplicates and Missing files. Then copied over the result to the iMac and opened Photos. After an hour or so of "processing" the new file, it opened and it appears everything is there.
but after 24 hours, less than 2000 (of 20,000)photos have uploaded to iCloud. I can understand...I have a slow wifi connection and every user in the Apple universe is hitting the servers now..
But I haven't turned on my MBA for a day because, I'm not sue what will happen with Photos on that machine.. Will it try to upload my (now old) Aperture library? Will it ask me to stick with the new library from my iMac and I have to wait however many hours/days/weeks for it to migrate?

Three option:
1. as you describe you can export from Ap and import to iPhoto on the other machine.
or, if you have brought the images to iPhoto already:
2. Link the machines together (wired or wireless) and used iPhoto sharing:
Enable Sharing in your iPhoto (Preferences -> Sharing), leave iPhoto running and go to the other Machine. There, enable 'Look For Shared Libraries'. Your Library will appear in the other source pane.
Remember iPhoto must be running on both machines for this to work. You can drag images from the Shared library to the host on the iMac
3. Use iPhoto Library Manager to move pics/albums/events and metadata between iPhoto libraries.
Regards
TD
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Aperture = iPhoto + Bridge Photo Downloader + Photoshop?

I am considering to use Aperture to streamline my workflow but I wonder about its file management capability. Let me explain the details:
I love iPhoto to browse, find and preview photos. It provides the most intuitive, easy and fast way for that. The interface is also nice. The photo-editing capability is negligible for me as I use Photoshop for this.
But I really hate the way it manages imported photos as Rolls and keep everything hidden under the 'Package'. So instead, I use Adobe's Bridge Photo Downloader from Photoshop to download photos from my cameras/iPhone and I set it to organize the files into folders: year/year-month/date-time of the photos taken. Then I'd import them to iPhoto - but without copying the originals. So basically I create a Reference Library for my iPhoto. I then tag/assigning Keywords the photos accordingly (I have plenty of keywords assigned). I sometimes create Events or Albums too - especially great for showing photos on my computer to friends and family.
Photoshop is set as the external app to edit photos so from iPhoto I can open the file in Photoshop (which I have been using for all my photo editing needs including RAW).
From what I gathered so far, Aperture seems to be a more efficient alternative to process RAW photos, and I've been wanting to find an alternative to the iPhoto-Bridge-Photoshop method above. Basically I need a Photo App that can do all the following:
1. Import original photos from cameras/iPhone and then automatically organize them chronologically (in folders of year/year-month/date-time of the photo taken) a la Bridge's Photo Downloader
2. Tag/Keywords, create Events and Albums, and to Preview photos quickly a la iPhoto
3. Edit RAW files without harming the original files a la Photoshop
I wonder whether Aperture is suitable for the usage I described above?
Thanks in advance for any inputs!

Hi freefire,
So Aperture can import photosfrom cameras/iPhone and automatically organize, rename and save them into folders outside of Aperture Library?
You can rename files on each import. However, saving files is not Aperture's job. If you put the files wherever you want, and then import them into Aperture as referenced images, they stay where they are.
Alternately, and this would be much more tedious, you could import them all into Aperture as managed photos, and then use Aperture to "relocate masters" to somewhere else. That's sort of like two steps where one (my first paragraph) would suffice.
If you want to organize photos by year, that is the job of Aperture. However, that is the job of Aperture *within the confines of Aperture*. Aperture is built primary to help you organize your photos within its database. You can make smart albums to show you every photo from 2010, for instance. That smart album is meaningless in Finder because it is not a primary function of Aperture to help you organize outside of Aperture. Basically, if you want to use Aperture to make directory structures for Finder, you aren't using Aperture in the most effective way.
When I edit a RAW file in Photoshop, Photoshop keeps the new setting within the RAW file itself without creating new file and I can go back and make further changes or revert back to original state - all in the file itself.
Are you sure about that? I thought Photoshop used the sidecar XMP files for that sort of thing. I'm no expert, but there's generally no provision in the file formats (including RAW files) for "this is how you undo something." I don't use Photoshop like that, but it sounds fishy that Photoshop will choose to write new data to a RAW file, as RAW files are proprietary and will never be produced by anything but a camera. It sounds doubly fishy that it will also write *undo data* to a RAW file. Again, I'm no expert at Photoshop, but I am an expert at software engineering, and it sounds pretty strange and error-prone.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3359633
Now, when I do that with Aperture, will Aperture then make a new copy of the RAW file to be kept in Aperture Library?
Aperture will not make a new copy of a master (RAW or not) unless you explicitly duplicate it (and that is not what you are asking about). Aperture, being a Digital Asset Manager, will never modify your masters. (Except if you change the date/time and choose to modify the master.) This is unlike photo editors like Photoshop, which may manipulate their input files and save those changes to the same files. Aperture makes a version, which is a recipe for changing the appearance of your master.
nathan

HT4858 Aperture / iPhoto shared photo streams

But when I try to upload say 1500 photos to shared photostream from aperture, it just gives an error saying 1000 is max. It doesn't upload any at all. I got the impression from this article that it would upload the first 1000 and then continue uploading as allowed but in fact it gives the error and does not upload anything.
Trying it in iPhoto it claims I have some files that are not jpeg, raw or png. I tried smart albums but iPhoto 11 doesn't appear to have a way to filter file types.
All of this to try to make my Apple TV 3 5.1.1 screensaver show more than 200 of my 45000 photos.

Yes that may be true but it is not relevant to my stated goal. I am acutely aware of the limitations Apple TV has on HomeShare - it seems to limit to about 200 pictures regardless of how many you share. I understand it has hard disk limitations but it should in fact be able to stream them over the network. It doesn't and I think that is a bug not a feature request.
However in using regular Photo Stream the ATV3 does seem to stream or at least cycle through all 1000 photos.
The shared photo stream seemed like a workaround, since I have over 45,000 photos, and my simple goal is to have them randomly displayed on my tv. I don't need all 45000 to be there simultaneously or cumulatively: 1000 per day even is more than enough, and pushing those out of the queue for the next 1000 would be no problem in fact helpful.
It's just that the article seems to indicate that once reaching a limit iPhoto or Aperture will resume uploading once the time limit has passed. That does not seem to be the case and so now it seems the workaround will have to involve a script perhaps though I don't know if there is a feature like that in either of the programs.
And I appreciate the reply Winston, but I would appreciate solutions rather than roadblocks from your expertise. Thanks.

Best workflow for Photo Album site - Aperture-iPhoto-iWeb??

*_I posted this on iWeb board, but perhaps this is a more appropriate audience*._
I am trying to find the best way to get Pics online. I shoot RAW and post-process in Aperture. Have used:
Aperture web gallery - easy workflow, very poor user interface, good image resolution
iphoto - extra work to get from Aperture library, nice design but very very slow loading of pics!!, not happy with image resolution
iweb - nice interface, fast, but not happy with image resolution.
My goal is a nice user interface for viewing pics in albums, fast, but with GOOD image quality. Is there a way to adjust image resolution in iWEB? Seems like the default is Preview image quality, despite using full resolution JPEG exported from Aperture. It is somewhat disappointing to work so hard in Aperture on adjustments, but then view low res images on website.
Any Suggestions?

When you say "low res images on website" do you mean those created by Aperture? It is possible to duplicate one of the default web gallery formats in Aperture, and then modify it so that the photos output are larger e.g. 950pixels wide instead of 800. I've done that with the Stock Black format - I now have a Stock Black Large which is similar on the thumbnails screen, but much larger when people click through to the larger image.
I think to do it you have to find the folder containing the web presets and make a copy of one of them.
Its fiddly but possible to do. Hopefully they'll improve this in a future release

I just noticed that I can no longer select photos out of my finder that are located in my Aperture/Iphoto Library. I used to be able to attach photos to my gmail out of the aperture library in the finder and for some reason, no longer can.

I just noticed that I can no longer select photos out of my finder that are located in my Aperture/Iphoto Library. I used to be able to attach photos to my gmail out of the aperture library in the finder and for some reason, no longer can.
I can't access these images except to go into the applications.
Also, I'd like to import my iphoto library into aperture, and move aperture library to an external drive. I tried the import first, but there wasn't enough space. Then I tried copying over the aperture library onto the external drive but it failed bc it said file was in use.
As it is, I only have 50gb left on my imac, and the aperture library is 150gb. Also, I have over 10k images in both libraries combined and there are tons of duplicates that need to be sorted, and hopefully not messed up because I've organized most of them.
So in short, I need to know how to do the following:
-select photos in finder in aperture/iphoto libraries
-move aperture library to live on external drive
-import iphoto library into aperture library
-eliminate dups but maintain organization
-moving forward i need a better workflow so that I import images from camera, and can organize right away into albums rather than creating projects by default and then creating albums so essentially the photos are in 2 different places, even tho they are referenced
-live happily ever after
Thanks in advance for any support you can offer!!

If you're using apps like iPhoto or Aperture then they replace the Finder for managing your photos. The point is that you use the (many) options available via these apps for the things you want and need to do with the Photos.
So, simply, you don't select the photos in the Finder. I'll append the supported ways to do this - which are faster and will yield the current version of your Photos - to the end of this post.
-move aperture library to live on external drive
Managed or Referenced Library? Managed -
Make sure the drive is formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
1. Quit Aperture
2. Copy the Library from your Pictures Folder to the External Disk.
3. Hold down the option (or alt) key while launching Aperture. From the resulting menu select 'Choose Library' and navigate to the new location. From that point on this will be the default location of your library.
4. Test the library and when you're sure all is well, trash the one on your internal HD to free up space.
Referenced - relocate your Masters first.
These issues are covered in the Manual and on this forum hundreds of times.
-import iphoto library into aperture library
FIle -> Import -> iPhoto Library? Have you done this already? If so are you trying to move the Masters to Aperture from an iPhoto Library? Or Consolidate them?
-moving forward i need a better workflow so that I import images from camera, and can organize right away into albums rather than creating projects by default and then creating albums so essentially the photos are in 2 different places, even tho they are referenced
You can't. Every photo is in a Project. They’re the basic building blocks of the Library.
You might want to spend a little time with the manual or the video tutorials. I'm not sure you've grasped the app you've purchased.
The following is written for iPhoto, but about 97% works for Aperture too.
There are many, many ways to access your files in iPhoto/ APerture: You can use any Open / Attach / Browse dialogue. On the left there's a Media heading, your pics can be accessed there. Command-Click for selecting multiple pics. This is what you use to attach your shot to your GMail
(Note the above illustration is not a Finder Window. It's the dialogue you get when you go File -> Open)
You can access the Library from the New Message Window in Mail:
There's a similar option in Outlook and many, many other apps. If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto/ Aperture.
If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser.
If you want to access the files with iPhoto/ Aperture not running:
For users of 10.6 and later: You can download a free Services component from MacOSXAutomation which will give you access to the Library from your Services Menu.
Using the Services Preference Pane you can even create a keyboard shortcut for it.
or use this free utility Karelia iMedia Browser

I reinstalled my system on a new hard drive, from time machine. However my old photos seem corrupt within aperture. iphoto seems okay. Have you heard of this?

I reinstalled my system on a new hard drive, from time machine. However my old photos seem corrupt within aperture. iphoto seems okay. New photos take a long time to load as well.
Have you heard of this?
Thanks

We need a little more information to be able to help.
However my old photos seem corrupt within aperture.
What kind of corruption? And when do you see it? All your images, or only some? Are the images distorted, discolored, or not displayed at all?
Are you shooting in raw? Is your library referenced or managed? Is your library on your system volume or on an external harddrive?
And it would help to know your MacOS version and Aperture version too.
Regards
Léonie

Dark photos from Aperture, iPhoto or Drag and drop

All imported photos (from aperture, iphoto or drag&droped) whitin a project are very dark in the viewer, and in the final video (itunes, export with several options...). The histogram levels of the image are low. The preview image in the project looks fine.
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I'm having the same problem, but only after I installed the iMovie 9.0.1 update. Before then my still images looked fine when imported.
But now, my pictures are coming up so dark as to be unusable. I was forced to export them as slideshow movies from iPhoto and import them as clips to iMovie last time I tried to use still images.

HT4906 Is it absolutely necessary to have iPhoto or Aperture to put photos on the iCloud?

Is it absolutely necessary to have iPhoto or Aperture to put photos on the iCloud?

No you can set up and manage PhotoStreams from an iPad or iPhone or a PC
http://www.apple.com/support/icloud/photo-stream/
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After converting my Iphoto library to Photos, I found I had two identically named libraries. Both the same size. (~160GB)
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and one would open Iphotos. However, when deleting some photos form "Photos", the library name and size has not changed.
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Aperture 3: Geotagged Photos show up in wrong part of world

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Scrolling through photos, restarting iPhoto: "Hidden Photos" are unhidden!

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Happy Holidays
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
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I imported my iPhoto library into a trial version of Aperture (Aperture will manage the directory). iPhoto manages the photos by putting them in by year in the "Masters" directory, then by event name. I noticed that the Aperture iPhoto import placed all my photos into 2011 directory instead of the same file structure in iPhoto. Is there a way to get Aperture to manage my imported photos and place the photos in a file stucture by year?
I do not intend to monkey around with the iphoto or aperture library's, but I do want the photos stored in a fasion that I could move on to some other program if needed in the future.
Thanks Gary

None taken, I am just one of those that want to know how Aperture is handling my photos. My search in the manual and in this forum did not help entirely, until now. You are right it does not matter how Aperture handles the bundle as long as you want to continue to use Aperture. I thought it was strange that iPhoto handles it one way and Aperture handles it another. I like the way iPhoto places my photos in by year. It appears that Aperture will also do this but only for my pictures this day forward. My concern is for the future, and for something that may never happen, but I plan for it anyway. If I decide to make another change in the future, I would want to make sure at least the pictures are structured by year. I should be able to go into the Aperture bundle and copy the masters out if needed. I was hoping I could get the imported photos structure by year. I do like Aperture so far and will more than likely make the purchase.
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Clicked and dragged a group of photos from iphoto to LR. LR can't find the original files and they are gone from the iphoto library. Any thoughts?

iPhoto conceals the photos locations. I would not expect a drag and drop to work due to Apple's shenanigans here.
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I am unable to open my Aperture library in Photos.
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Restart OS X and hold down the Command and R keys.
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In the Terminal window, type “resetpassword” (without the quotes) and hit Return.
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Great tip, thanks for sending this in Tony R!
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